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Destiny |OT25| The Taken Thread
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igordennis
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You can buy one at a time. Once it expires, you can get another.
Well shit. Didnt know about that. So thats (partially) why some are so far ahead of me in rank already. Gotta catch up
EL CUCO
Member
They confirmed it would. It just isn't clear if it will have a Platinum or not
noomi
Member
Red Death is the perfect answer to thorn, it's awesome when you almost get killed by the DOT and then BAM full health
Never
Same here man, I'm done with PoE... all crucible/trials and catching up to backlog now before TTK rolls around in about 2 months.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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these stupid warlocks and their middle of the page posts...when will they learn!
This would be a great idea. Would make enemies think twice before melee'ing a Defender Titan if their Force Barrier activated on being hit. If this 1 change was made then they'd be a lot more tanky.
And Striker Titans could go into a frenzy or something when being melee'ed which boosts recovery and/or agility and/or melee damage.
I'm still holding out that Bungie will update the existing sub-classes before The Taken King releases. One can hope.
MagnetoWasRight
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How's my trophy hunting??? About fifteen platinum trophies in 2014 before Destiny came out. About three platinum trophies since Destiny came out. Does that answer your question???
WheelHoss1
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Warlocks can only read 50 posts at at time, whereas Hunters can handle 100.
Titans can't read.
Subtervotion
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You, me, and almost everyone else in the whole game. I miss my Suros.
There's no rush. Since the buffs increase each day, you could play on Saturday for the first time and max out your rank in like two days before it ends as long as youre in the winning teams and do most of the bounties. I did that in the last IB.
xplicitone
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Just show your brand spankin' new 2015 Hawkmoon and the trains are bound to open their doors for you
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
I understand the hate for Thorn, but it isn't necessarily the best players using it. It's leveling the playing field for less experienced players and I think Bungie is OK with that. The best players snipe, use the Last Word, Messenger, Red Death, etc. If you combine all those Shotguns, since they all serve the same sniping purpose you get 33% of people practically blink shotgunning as their main weapon.
Thorn is annoying, and yes the DOT can be nerfed and the damage not give away position. But it's not an incredibly OP weapon, there are still better choices so if you nerf Thorn what do you do about TLW?
In the end all the players will just gravitate to the next best option and that will be 50% as well. The problem will never be solved, it's inherent in the game, but I'm tired of the moaning about Thorn around here. It's annoying but there are many many ways to outgun a Thorn user. I use Thorn since it's good for my ability level, but if they nerfed it then I'd just use Hawkmoon or TLW. Then people would be bitching about luck in the chamber.
Thorn is annoying, and yes the DOT can be nerfed and the damage not give away position. But it's not an incredibly OP weapon, there are still better choices so if you nerf Thorn what do you do about TLW?
In the end all the players will just gravitate to the next best option and that will be 50% as well. The problem will never be solved, it's inherent in the game, but I'm tired of the moaning about Thorn around here. It's annoying but there are many many ways to outgun a Thorn user. I use Thorn since it's good for my ability level, but if they nerfed it then I'd just use Hawkmoon or TLW. Then people would be bitching about luck in the chamber.
xplicitone
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I got to IB rank 2.25 on Day 1. Played only 2 games Day 2/yesterday, both losses. No bounties. I think I could hit rank 4 tonight with the buff and bounties.
xplicitone
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I watched iAM 3v3 after they faced the Devils. TripleWRECK and his whole crew all used Thorn. And then I've seen the Devils face the top PvPers and most were all using Thorn. They all know it's too OP! Arcbolt + 1 shot, or Warlock nade + 1 shot. It's beyond silly.
TheAquaticApe
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Shout out to M3Rocket for the Red Bull code!
Pro-Tip: I had to manually enter the code for it to work. I couldn't just copy/paste it. Weird.
Pro-Tip: I had to manually enter the code for it to work. I couldn't just copy/paste it. Weird.
blackprophesy
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Anyone want to carry a lowly 32 through PoE 32 so I can get an Armor Core? I really want that 42 light helmet Variks is selling.
silver.tongue
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Don't worry. That happens to all of us I guess.
118 platinums... I think 4 or 5 of those came after destiny. And that's including destiny!
I care more about my percentage tho. I wanna reach and keep that 90% so bad.
It is probably the best weapon when all is said and done, but when you nerf the best weapon, a new one takes its place. We saw this with Suros and then the nerfing of fusion rifles. It's a losing battle for Bungie to just keep nerfing the best weapons.
I just don't think it's as OP as people make it out to be. A lot of Pulse Rifles will finish you off before you have a chance. Snipers can take out a Thorn user without a problem. Get close enough and a shotgunner kills you before you can get two rounds off.
Damage someone with a nade and it doesn't take much damage to kill them regardless of the weapon.
That 50% includes the 33% shotgunners that have Thorn equipped but use their shotguns and snipers 80% of the time anyway. Is that chart kills or just weapons equipped?
Put it in the hands of the best players, yeah it's crazy, but it isn't the fastest TTK. I'd concede it's more OP in trials due to the style of match than a normal crucible match.
Again, I don't care either way, it just seems like it's the easy button and people hate it for that. Everyone here could learn and excel at a weapon that is better than Thorn.
Don't worry. That happens to all of us I guess.
118 platinums... I think 4 or 5 of those came after destiny. And that's including destiny!
I care more about my percentage tho. I wanna reach and keep that 90% so bad.
I think you have a problem...
xplicitone
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Don't worry. That happens to all of us I guess.
118 platinums... I think 4 or 5 of those came after destiny. And that's including destiny!
I care more about my percentage tho. I wanna reach and keep that 90% so bad.
WOW! Does that mean You've Plat'd 89.1% of all the games you've played? That's freaking incredible haha
VikasNarula
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I can help you with that, now we need one more.
PSN: Narasingh
-edit going to help to other team, will be there after 15 min
wesleyshark
Banned
Destiny screenshots make for the best wallpapers. :3
Warlockmasterrace
Don't worry. That happens to all of us I guess.
118 platinums... I think 4 or 5 of those came after destiny. And that's including destiny!
I care more about my percentage tho. I wanna reach and keep that 90% so bad.
Jesus Christ, you and GraveRobberX have a lot in common.
Put off reforging my shotguns for too long after some bad experiences with my last batch of reforging.
First roll of an old felwinters:
Aggressive Balistics, Final Round, Hammer Forged, Shot Package
Two rolls on a Matador 64
Aggressive Balistics, Shot Package, Reinforced Barrel and Grenadier.
Not ecstatic about grenadier on the matador, but to get those rolls for a whopping 9 weapon parts, I'll take it.
First roll of an old felwinters:
Aggressive Balistics, Final Round, Hammer Forged, Shot Package
Two rolls on a Matador 64
Aggressive Balistics, Shot Package, Reinforced Barrel and Grenadier.
Not ecstatic about grenadier on the matador, but to get those rolls for a whopping 9 weapon parts, I'll take it.
The problem with Thorn is not the DoT or it giving away your position, it's the range.
TLW is insanely good but it has its range, and that's why the best TLW players use a sniper rifle alongside with it.
Hawkmoon has great range and luck in the chamber because that's it archetype, it is built around the fact that it's a HC with an awesome range and an RNG part to the damage it does. Also, its range has also been nerfed once already.
Thorn's achetype is the poison stuff. It's supposed to be a HC whose gameplay revolves around landing enough shots to make the poison kill you / use the DoT indicator as a marker on your target. The problem is that on top of that it has INSANE range, allowing you to actually compete against snipers, without any drawback to it, and beating weapon classes that are supposed to be kings at that range. There's no denying there is a problem with that, and that it is currently hurting the meta of the game. It's not so much people bitching about the weapon than people pointing out obvious flaws in the current balance.
And for the record, I am saying that as someone who doesn't want to see Destiny become a balanced / competitive game, I'm fine with having bullshits in the game as long as they make sense. ^^
Team nerf Thorn's range and buff ARs and scout rifles.
If they get the first shot and if that shot is a headshot, yes.
And that's the problem: you have to be very good with your sniper rifle to beat a Thorn user, whereas the Thorn user just has to be average to beat you / trade with you. You are supposed to be at an advantage at this range, but yet you have to play better than your opponent that is supposed to be at a disadvantage... ^^
silver.tongue
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lol. Well I have the same account since what? 2005? It's not that bad.
Not really. It means that I have 89.1% of all possible trophies of all the games i've ever played on my PS3/Vita/PS4.
That includes Plat games and 100% games.
No, we don't. I'm nicer than him.
Miss you grave. Give us a smoke signal or something about your rehab.
I agree, but nerf Thorn and then people just switch to Hawkmoon and everyone starts complaining about being one-shotted due to Luck.
Buff Scout Rifles and I'd just take my Saterriene Rapier with Firefly and Final Round and kill people in 3 head shots and create havoc. It may end up with a higher TTK than Thorn and then create more problems because of Firefly.
There is always going to be that one annoying weapon, and IMO, Thorn actually may be the lesser of evils. It can be outclassed as is, I'd hate to see them nerf it and create a power house that is actually worse. With Thorn there is at least time to take cover after the first shot since the ROF allows for movement between getting pummeled.
Edit: so do you nerf Hawkmoons range then too? Or just range of all HCs?
I'm just playing devils advocate here, I actually don't care (; The imbalance of Destiny PvP is actually what makes it different from every other shooter out there. The rush to find and re-roll Matador's was hysterical.
yeah I don't think thorn is that bad myself, as i said before, TLW is a much worse offender imo, if bungie nerfs thorn's DOT down to 3 points and takes away the giving out position thing, it would be alright.
and since we are talking about weapons, i'm using my old gheleon's for iron banner and i'm having so much fun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFWcX-XOR1I
firefly + outlaw + armor piercing rounds = banderas.gif
xplicitone
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Oh yea I don't agree with always nerfing everything. There's a certain nerf you can do. I thought they decreased the range but I don't believe the range is decreased enough. You can practically snipe with the Thorn. There was a statistic done on a sample of like 5000 ToO games and like 51% used Thorn. The next gun, was somewhere around 10 %. I've noticed basically that trend. When 1 gun has that much of a discrepancy in usage, I think there's a problem. The problem might not even be with thorn but just balancing everything so there are more options. I wouldn't mind a slight nerf such as range.
I'm more towards more buffing than nerfing in a way to make an even playing ground.
My friends got tired of me having the thorn bounty in my inventory since last year. 3 of us ran through it in less than an hour in rumble last night. Got some hate mail calling me pathetic in less kind words for cheesing the bounty. But I just replied with smiley faces. I'm excited to try it out. Been using TLW and Hawkmoon for PVP till now.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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silver.tongue
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1. Easy if you make a team of 6 defender titans.
2. Easy with blackhammers.
3. Easy and you can actually glitch this one too.
4. Luck based. Sometimes those stupid goblins teleport straight to the conflux. :/
5. Easy as hunters.
6. Now this is a tough one. Bungie would probably have it glitched tho. lol
Don't give them ideas, pls.
The problem with Thorn is that it puts you at an even bigger disadvantage than any other OP weapon: if you survive and manage to hide, your position is given away AND your shields and health take longer to regen AND your screen is green (never had a problem with that, but apparently it distracts some players). This kind of advantage should come with at least some kind of drawbacks, of which Thorn has none at the moment.
I agree that some other weapon will take its place, but I don't agree with the fact that Thorn is the lesser evil at the moment. ^^
PrivateWHudson
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The problem with Thorn is not the DoT or it giving away your position, it's the range.
TLW is insanely good but it has its range, and that's why the best TLW players use a sniper rifle alongside with it.
Hawkmoon has great range and luck in the chamber because that's it archetype, it is built around the fact that it's a HC with an awesome range and an RNG part to the damage it does. Also, its range has also been nerfed once already.
Thorn's achetype is the poison stuff. It's supposed to be a HC whose gameplay revolves around landing enough shots to make the poison kill you / use the DoT indicator as a marker on your target. The problem is that on top of that it has INSANE range, allowing you to actually compete against snipers, without any drawback to it, and beating weapon classes that are supposed to be kings at that range. There's no denying there is a problem with that, and that it is currently hurting the meta of the game. It's not so much people bitching about the weapon than people pointing out obvious flaws in the current balance.
And for the record, I am saying that as someone who doesn't want to see Destiny become a balanced / competitive game, I'm fine with having bullshits in the game as long as they make sense. ^^
Team nerf Thorn's range and buff ARs and scout rifles.
If they get the first shot and if that shot is a headshot, yes.
And that's the problem: you have to be very good with your sniper rifle to beat a Thorn user, whereas the Thorn user just has to be average to beat you / trade with you. You are supposed to be at an advantage at this range, but yet you have to play better than your opponent that is supposed to be at a disadvantage... ^^
Way too many times I'll stick my head out to snipe and a one shot will tear my shields off. I'll call out that they have a a sniper in so and so hallway and then have to retract that statement when I realize that I'm burning from Thorn. Some of the distances that they can get a first shot, one shot, headshot can be crazy and my brain tells me that it has to be a sniper, not a hand cannon. Even with Hawkmoon, most of the time you hear a couple of failed shots whiz past before they land one.
I just finished leveling up an old Rapier with Firefly, Final Round, and Armor Piercing; I'm taking it into Crucible tonight to give it a go. I'm hoping it's as fun as it sounds.
Being alive is less of a disadvantage than being dead. I agree on the range, but the annoyance of Thorn actually comes from it's lower TTK. If you are getting pinged that far away, just hide, you aren't dead. It'd be better than being killed with an Auto Scout Rifle before you even had a chance to hide. I'd rather cower in a corner for 10 seconds than be dead. I think we sometimes mistake annoyance for OP. However, it is a game changer in ToO when they can rush after pinging a couple teammates with Thorns. But even that is defensible with the sniping shotguns. Or just wear a Ram helm
silver.tongue
Member
Well, I'd be ok with a nerf to thorn's range. The DoT was already nerfed enough tho.
At close range TLW will kill a Thorn user 90% of the time.
I just want there to be more variety in PvP when it comes to weapons. Every match I get in people just use the same guns. You can pretty much just tell what everybody is going to be using before the match even starts. I just hate it.
MagnetoWasRight
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No it means he's gotten 89.1% of all available trophies in all games he's played.
Nightfalls went real well. I got Nothing Manacles a shitty scout rifle, and THUNDERLORD my first and only after skipping at Xur the few times he's had it.
I'm not sure I even want to run the Banner this time. I'm not sure what I get out of it. I can run PoE 34 x3 for all the Etheric Light I need, the lag has been worse than usual, and Thorn's are everywhere.
I'm not sure I even want to run the Banner this time. I'm not sure what I get out of it. I can run PoE 34 x3 for all the Etheric Light I need, the lag has been worse than usual, and Thorn's are everywhere.
silver.tongue
Member
Well we are getting there I think.
We have great hand cannons.
Pulse rifles are back. I'm getting killed by those in every match now.
I'm also seeing a lot of Scouts with auto-fire now.
All bungie needs to do is bring back auto rifles.
That reminds me that we shoul be getting DAT thunderlord post anytime now, right gaf?
SteveO1683
Member
Finally got my first Gjallorhorn, after 600 hours of game time. Now expect the gun to get nerfed in the next update so that I can't enjoy it. Or Xur to sell it this weekend.
Congrats. I got mine in about 645 hours and I said the same thing about Xur. My mind would be blown if that happens.
Hoffelcopter
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Add me psn Hoffelcopter
This is just disgusting.
I hope you all realize that by nerfing the Thorn you're just inviting the next top tier gun to take it's place.
If you didn't see 50% Thorn, it would be 50% TLW or 50% Hawkmoon.
Same problem when SUROS was king.
I'd rather face a Thorn than a Last Word.
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