wesleyshark
Banned
Are we talking about the same game?
I'm an avid shotgun abuser, and yes, they have ridiculous range.
Felwinter's, Invective, Found Verdict, Party Crasher, Matador... You can mop up an entire room from outside the room.
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Destiny |OT25| The Taken Thread
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Are we talking about the same game?
I'm an avid shotgun abuser, and yes, they have ridiculous range.
Felwinter's, Invective, Found Verdict, Party Crasher, Matador... You can mop up an entire room from outside the room.
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
You must be kidding?
Hoffelcopter
Member
I never use my Hawkmoon so I didn't know.
EL CUCO
Member
Read my mind as I read that post.
No thanks.
Just a range nerf and maaaybe a slight ROF nerf should be enough to prevent Thorn users from double tapping everything in sight.
Not sure if serious.
ARs are the funnest, in my opinion, and I want them back.
How is their skill requirement any different than anything else? With less damage, you have to put more shots into the enemies, so you have to know how to survive to do that.
gutter_trash
Banned
Titans can't Blink.
Titans need their shotties
I hope their 3rd SunHammer Sublass gets Blink, lol
KINGofCRA5H
Member
Yeah I kind of miss using ARs.
Hoffelcopter
Member
These would be just pvp changes.
Trying to make it so they can't compete with snipers from across the map. Which is what it can do.
Yea as of now putting armour into your stats provide no practical benefit when it comes to the actual number of shot it takes to kill you (2 shot snipers will still 2 shot you on body shots, two thorn head shot will still kill you etc)...unless you wear RAM.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
They can't seem to make PVP only changes. Which is why Vex became such a terrible weapon to use outside of doing the Fusion rifle bounties.
Roll a full auto NL Shadow.
You hold down a button and aim in the general direction of the thing you want to die. You literally don't have to lift a finger.
It requires no skill, so it should not be as deadly as any of the other classes. It's not a precision weapon so it should get no precision bonus damage from headshots. I feel ARs are exactly where they deserve to be.
Arm's length? I've been killed many many many times by people with Felwinters/Matadar/Party Crasher at much greater distances...
They need to get rid of shot package.
Slammin_Hammon
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Surely they can as they doubled shotgun damage in PvE while keeping it the same in PvP
You must not have played the game in the past 4 months or so, basically since Felwinter went on sale.
With Shotpackage and maxed out range you can get some bullshit level kills with a shotgun....even more if you have knee pads.
ReignofSparrows
Member
Can't speak for anyone else, but getting all the trophies or achievements or whatever is me playing a game how I want to play it.
xplicitone
Member
I put snipers in a class of their own. Headshot with any sniper will always be a OHK (except when rezzed and lower impact will not OHK).
EL CUCO
Member
Pulse rifles are different though. When I get shot by a high impact burst, the slower ROF usually give enough time to recognize it and quickly back off. People get in trouble when they try to challenge after being tagged by one.
But I agree, people will find something to complain about.
Thanks for replying with something more than "lol," I shouldn't have said "always." It's just extremely annoying and immature to butt into a conversation with "lol" and nothing else, even if you have talked about it before.
As for Thorn I'll just have to agree to disagree. I think the DOT is greatly over-exaggerated, I get less than 10% of my kills from that. The range can be a problem but it can also be countered with tactics and other weapons. If you are getting killed at range with a Thorn you probably need to re-think your approach, just the same as if you were getting sniped constantly. The DOT marking their location and supressing shield regen is just a perk of an exotic. Same as getting healed by a Red Death kill or having more armor with a Ram helmet. If they nerf Thorn everyone goes back to Hawkmoon or a new champion like The Messenger arises. Balancing all HCs to be the same takes away from what makes Destiny what it is.
gutter_trash
Banned
It just rolled my Judgment with Shotpackage and increased my range with the one the trades reload speed .
you shall be Judged.
People should not complain about FallWinter's Lie. The rate of fire is SO SLOW. If you miss, you are will get meleed or shotted yourslef.
the slow rate of fire makes him vulnerable
noomi
Member
Dude, these are fucking awesome and they look cool as hell to!
I always wear them on my hunter, dat quadruple jump!
I have no idea what this means.
Well Titan can move pretty fast too so you don't really need Blink.
wesleyshark
Banned
Titans are actually the fastest class in the game.
wesleyshark
Banned
Both 7-11s near me don't have the destiny cans. I keep asking, and they have no idea what I'm talking about
I think they are liars and are keeping them for themselves
Not that fast.
The time between two shot with a pulse rifle is a lot higher..plus it's not two shots it's two bursts so there is a fair chance for bullets to miss completely or miss heads. One sniper shot to head is a kill but it doest make it OP.
These are different classes what's OP for one isn't necessarily OP for another.
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
Is that buff one time only or can you keep on adding it with more codes?
noomi
Member
It could be changed between now and Sept but it's likely it won't have Blink.
I've never seen anyone skate in PVP. They're not fast in the normal confines of the game.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yeah.
You know, I have to assume that was part of the work they did for the new modifiers on PoE. Nerfing weapon abilities specifically seems like a losing proposition for PvE though. It's why Suros is a garbage weapon now, for one.
They stack like a telemetry consumable. No idea what the stack limit is though.
Slammin_Hammon
Member
Speed isn't the big thing for scumbag shotgunning. Blink can be disorienting for the enemy and you can close the distance with less chance of being shot.
The DOT is not exaggerated.
The DOT becomes useless because of how high the base damage is, but without that the DOT does enough damage with one shot to completely remove a shield...that should not happen. Reduce damage or reduce DOT but get that stuff off.
And the thing about changing approach is completely untrue, I don't think anyone will disagree here if I say I am very good with sniper and I have trouble against Thorn at sniper range, I have trouble against pulse rifles too but I am fine with that as it makes sense and it is possible to evade due to the fact that there is some space between two bursts. The reason for that being Thorn is the only weapon in the game that generously reward body shots...and about suppression, a HC simply should not be able to do anything...anything significant at all against a sniper at sniping range. The TTK with Thorn even at range is just as ridiculously low so you get hit and by the time you even run away you are dead or close to death (which is when DOT kicks in). Red Death heals you but it is a high risk high reward weapon in the sense that if you miss then it gives you the lowest margin of error out of any top tier weapon.
You cannot compare other weapon classes directly as I said in my previous post, if a pulse rifle is able to disorientate then that doesn't mean a HC should be able to do so at range.
No one is asking for balancing all HC, like someone said earlier we'd rather have 3 A tier weapon with variable skill ceiling than 1 S tier weapon with low skill ceiling. Hawkmoon is balanced due to its RNG, TLW outside of it's glitch is pretty fair, there is nothing that makes Thorn bad...absolutely nothing.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
You get one per code, and the boost is 50% apparently.
Make it Hawkmoon ROF and a range nerf on all handcannons.
You can just hold down the trigger. They don't require any skill whatsoever. The autorifle nerf didn't even change the damage that much. Pre-patch, my Shadow Price did 27 damage per headshot. Now it does 23. That's a 1-2 bullet difference in time to kill.
Some perks make classes of guns ridiculous. All range perks as well as shot package should be flat out removed from shotguns. They'd still feel OP and be the go-to weapons. Final round should be removed from snipers or just alter them to do 99% damage instead of enough to kill in a body shot. Rockets shouldn't get horseshoes. They're too good.
But most of players can see you coming. Blink is just impossible to aim at.
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
cheaterhawk12
Currently the most sought after exotic for me. Hope Xur sells it tomorrow. Right in time before i go on holiday.
Cool
xplicitone
Member
Discussions are good. If one gun is causing this much discussion to begin with.... kind of says a lot.
Anyways, can't wait to test out my Party Crasher +1 tonight since I didn't get to last night.
Edit: Top of page hype
Anyways, can't wait to test out my Party Crasher +1 tonight since I didn't get to last night.
Edit: Top of page hype
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