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[LiK]

i'm fine with the Thorn nerf since I don't like using that gun anyway. I'll never get Hawkmoon so nerf it more.

 

[ErnieMcCracken]

Not really. Still going to be super useful for VoG despite 3 second delay on recharge.

EXTRA 3 second delay on recharge from 5 to 8 seconds per round. Any they thought people were packing a lunch before...

 

[140.85]

Let the Husk grinding begin!

 

[Sword Of Doom]

hope you guys didn't preorder TTK digitally. these nerfs are awful lol

They are awful. Good thing I play maybe once a month nowadays


They didn't say how much of a reduction Wolfpack rounds were getting

 

[Kyoufu]

Who uses IB in VoG now anyway?

A lot of people?

Oracles, Templar and Atheon. Sure, you can use Black Hammer but those dodgy hitboxes are no fun.

Besides, Black Hammer is getting hit hard.

EXTRA 3 second delay on recharge from 5 to 8 seconds per round. Any they thought people were packing a lunch before...

I don't see the big deal. It's an extra 3 seconds which is totally reasonable.

 

[Korosenai]

It will be all about that Mida bro. I'm calling at. The Age of Mida is upon us.

I actually hope it is. Right now with Handcannons you can either have Thorn or Last Word, no parity across the board for competitive play. With an age of Mida, everyone will have it and be on the save even playing field since it's the only scout exotic currently. I'm all in for that.

 

[Mindlog]

Hard Light is sex on the ears. Happy to see it in there.
Necrogasm! Wish I hadn't sharded my duplicates.
Icebreaker nerf? Really? I pretty much only use it for heavy ammo glitching.
Gjallarhorn nerf :smug:

AND THEY NERFED PVE SHOTGUNS! Why???????????????????????

Because I told them to.
Besides it's only 10%. Probably needs to be closer to 25%, but it's good they went with a small number first because of the other changes happening at the same time.

Some really solid changes all around. Most impressed by the Final Round nerf. They found a way to fix the PvP stupidity while keeping it as a very strong PvE perk. That's the epitome of balance.

 

[Stantron]

Black Hammer and Ice Breaker nerfs are overdone. FFS

 

[LiK]

I for one welcome our new Necrochasm Overlords

Oh wait. I'm gonna be one of them.

12 hours wasn't a waste anymore.

i still have a Husk I vaulted, rofl.

 

[Lima]

I actually hope it is. Right now with Handcannons you can either have Thorn or Last Word, no parity across the board for competitive play. With an age of Mida, everyone will have it and be on the save even playing field since it's the only scout exotic currently. I'm all in for that.

Yo you up for Trials as soon as it goes live this week?

 

[The Mango Sentinel]

The nerfs to TLW don't even sound that bad...

And one the changes sounds like a buff.

Hard Light and No Land Beyond still sound like shit.

 

[SgtCobra]

My thoughts...I guess:

Auto rifles
Yep sounds decent, cautiously optimistic.
Pulse rifles
Not bad, still have to see how the top tier pulse rifles perform, they shouldn't act like scout rifles on roids.
Scout rifles
Yes....Yes....Still good.
Hand cannons

Shotguns
The death of the Matador 64/Felwinter's Lie/Party Crasher +1 trifecta is upon us! Good stuff, I'm interested to see if this really helps about the rampant shotgunning in pvp. Too bad they did nothing about the blink/shotgun combo.
Fusion rifles
Okay, still not exactly understanding what they're trying to do but if this means that fusion rifles are going to be viable again then that's good.
Snipers
Final Round can kiss it.

- The exotic changes sound pretty good, I mean the Hard Light has always been a badass gun and the Thorn and TLW nerf are gifts from The Nine themselves. The Gjallarhorn and Black Hammer nerfs break my heart though... Here's hoping they don't nerf the Gjally that much. It's such an iconic weapon, I can't believe that they're actually nerfing it.

 

[DVPredator85]

Da Mida Meta. Now I need to collect two more of them to get ready.

Funny, funny, took me a second to get that joke....lol

 

[Sword Of Doom]

Black Hammer and Ice Breaker nerfs are overdone. FFS

It's cause we weren't playing the way they wanted us to play

 

[Phaethon0017]

Looking through my Vault now to see which of these shit weapons is about to become gold.

Hawkmoon doe...

 

[nOoblet16]

12 hours wasn't a waste anymore.

i still have a Husk I vaulted, rofl.

12 hours? Guess you didnt wake up the hive cause it would've taken you 30 mins

 

[Dunk#7]

I think all the weapon balancing sounds great. This is coming from somebody that owns all the "best" weapons.

I have always preferred scout rifles and I was hoping to read about a buff, but I agree with the comment that they are pretty balanced already. Some guns above SRs needed to be brought down a little. The TTK and strengths of SRs in PvE feel right.

Overall I think these changes really do balance the game and follow the intentions listed in the update.


We all know Black Hammer was a little cheap with infinite shots on some bosses. The change with Ice Breaker makes sense as well. If you sit back and look at it objectively certain guns change the way the game was intended to be played. Will be good to add variety to weapon selection


**assuming this balance is realized and we don't just get new weapons that rise to the top. If nothing else it will be a change of pace

 

[PrivateWHudson]

Today is the day that I go back to collecting public event packages. I'll have to level a lot of rerolls.

 

[Namikaze1]

Y'all laughed at me when I said I spent 12 hours grinding for the husk! Now who's laughing now, jerks?!

Spoiler

I know you still are but dammit let me have this moment

 

[igordennis]

i'm fine with the Thorn nerf since I don't like using that gun anyway. I'll never get Hawkmoon so nerf it more.

Salt

 

[KINGofCRA5H]

Hopefully there will be new weapons in TTK that will make us forget about our beloveds that we use now.

 

[Sofa King]

Pointing out that there was a gateway weapon to some events (Gally) so you need to nerf it seems odd since they won't allow Xur to sell it. If Xur sold it, end of the issue you just gave for nerfing it without taking away the fun of the gun.

 

[LiK]

12 hours? Guess you didnt wake up the hive cause it would've taken you 30 mins

not me, i was talking about Nami. you missed his 12 hour marathon. i got the Husk without even trying.

 

[E92 M3]

FTFY bro

Why of course!

OT|27| Nerf the fun

...in the shower

Um... Black Hammer is still one of only 2 snipers of that impact class in the entire game(the other being Efrideet's Spear, only available through PvP). And with 18 bullets to plow from, the lack of a reload animation between chained crits makes it remain an amazing weapon. I like it better now obviously but it's silly to consider it useless now. Have some perspective.

Eh, I'd rather just use my ES with surplus - better for PVE now.

Watch Hard Light is gonna be the most OP gun for crucible after the changes go live lol.

Necrochasm bro

Hand cannon nerf was bound to happen.

Horn and BH nerf suck, especially BH.

So what weapon will have their next age? Hopefully Pulse Rifles, i'm ready for some Halo 2 and Halo 3 nostalgia gameplay.

Pulse rifles took a little nerf too. Probably the MIDA, indeed.

 

[XenoRaven]

I might have to log back into this game just to use Hard Light in PvP.

That Ice Breaker nerf will not have the desired effect. It will just make Nightfalls take longer. I don't hate it as a PvP nerf though.

Black Hammer pls no

 

[Kyoufu]

hope you guys didn't preorder TTK digitally. these nerfs are awful lol

I don't get it.

These nerfs are a good thing. Thorn will be less deadly in PVP. Shot Package shotguns will be less deadly in PVP. Gjallarhorn won't be as much cheese as it is currently. Black Hammer won't be as ridiculously ridonculous as it is currently.

These nerfs will promote loadout variety rather than everyone and their mother using the same 3 weapons in every single activity.

 

[igordennis]

Y'all laughed at me when I said I spent 12 hours grinding for the husk! Now who's laughing now, jerks?!

Spoiler

I know you still are but dammit let me have this moment

What about your horn huh nami? Its all your fault, you and your necrochasm worthship. Its doomed us all D:

 

[Slammin_Hammon]

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Why are they killing my baby, The Last Word? Just fix the ads glitch. If I understand correctly the magazine size is going down too which makes it worse.

I just hope the age of pulse rifles won't be upon us.

 

[PewPewPewBow]

Last trophy I need before becoming a guardian lord is leveling my Titan subclass. This means I'm gonna have to play lots of PvP as a very poorly leveled Titan defender. Yuck. I don't even have (or want to use) a shotgun to defend my bubble with.

Also, I'll happily take every one of these changes. So the Horn and BH or not the one and only go to PvE weapons anymore, they're not useless by any means.

 

[Lima]

Better start practicing your hip fire skills for TLW. Shit will be OP. All matches in TTK are gonna be like dem old western movies.

 

[Goodacre0081]

i like all the changes. the constant exotic hand cannon and shotgun fest in PVP is lame

 

[xVaalbarAx]

I don't get it.

These nerfs are a good thing. Thorn will be less deadly in PVP. Shot Package shotguns will be less deadly in PVP. Gjallarhorn won't be as much cheese as it is currently. Black Hammer won't be as ridiculously ridonculous as it is currently.

These nerfs will promote loadout variety rather than everyone and their mother using the same 3 weapons in every single activity.

Which I want. It was like this for like maybe the first month of the game and it was awesome seeing different loadouts. AR+FR+Machine Gun pls

 

[PrivateWHudson]

What legendary hand cannon has the fastest ROF?

 

[igordennis]

I don't get it.

These nerfs are a good thing. Thorn will be less deadly in PVP. Shot Package shotguns will be less deadly in PVP. Gjallarhorn won't be as much cheese as it is currently. Black Hammer won't be as ridiculously ridonculous as it is currently.

These nerfs will promote loadout variety rather than everyone and their mother using the same 3 weapons in every single activity.

Yeah the changes are, on paper, good. The complaining is just because everyone likes to have an easy time with the OP loadout chosen. The changes make sense in that they are fixing some stuff that was getting overused by the community because why wouldnt you use these weapons that are clearly better than everything else? The horn especially.

 

[Deku Tree]

Wait... They didn't say they were nerfing hammer forged on old shotguns from TDB era.. Did those slip through the cracks... Will an expansion one Felwinters with Hammer Forged still reck people at long range?

 

[DNAbro]

People are wondering what the new thorn will be but it's probably going to be one of the exotics in the expansion. just a guess though.

 

[ErnieMcCracken]

Hopefully there will be new weapons in TTK that will make us forget about our beloveds that we use now.

The new Dragon's Breath awaits.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

I don't get it.

These nerfs are a good thing. Thorn will be less deadly in PVP. Shot Package shotguns will be less deadly in PVP. Gjallarhorn won't be as much cheese as it is currently. Black Hammer won't be as ridiculously ridonculous as it is currently.

These nerfs will promote loadout variety rather than everyone and their mother using the same 3 weapons in every single activity.

From a PVP perspective they're good I guess. But PVE keeps getting shafted to balance guns for PVP, and there is literally no reason for them to nerf the weapons that actually make Nightfalls bearable. It's just another case of Bungie deciding how we should play their game, when the way they've designed it makes it a fucking slog which is far more about devoting time into it rather than effort. The IB/BH/GJ nerfs only mean you're going to have to spend even more time whittling away enemy HP on autopilot.

 

[phen0m24]

Ok I SUCK with the Shadow. Holy crap it bounces around like madness

blech

Trying Mida now

 

[Zoso Achilles]

The biggest take-away from the update for me: fusion rifles will continue to be fucking useless. Why. The. Fuck.

Balance pvp and pve separately for fuck sake so I can melt aliens with my space magic energy gun.

 

[zewone]

These nerfs will promote loadout variety rather than everyone and their mother using the same 3 weapons in every single activity.

No, it won't.

People will just find the new meta (likely Red Death and MIDA).

Shotgun nerf doesn't sound harsh enough. Expect to still be blink/sliding shotgunned.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Holy shit.. Are they serious with all those nerfs? Like wow..

Almost every one is fucking horrible.

 

[igordennis]

Ok I SUCK with the Shadow. Holy crap it bounces around like madness

blech

Trying Mida now

Mida is so good. #MidaMeta

 

[neoism]

AUTO RIFLES

As a whole, Auto Rifles needed to be reevaluated from the 1.1.1 update. The goals are still the same for this weapon, but this time the approach centers on a higher base damage with quicker falloff. With 2.0.0, our Sandbox programmers have granted the ability to independently tune Range and Damage Falloff. This allows us to emphasize optimal combat range without violating some of the more intricate aiming systems that are tied into the Range stat.

When the update goes live damage falloff will be more obvious, (as shown in the following screens.

(Internal test level pictured below)


Goals:

Auto Rifle is optimal at close to medium range
Damage, Stability, and Range are tuned such that players desire Stability for reliable close quarters damage, or Range for better accuracy and increased damage at a distance
Elevate Auto Rifles so they are a more competitive option in PVP, and simultaneously more satisfying to use in PVE


Changes:

Increase base damage
Start damage falloff closer to the player to emphasize its role as a close to medium range weapon
Small reduction in base stability. Landing shots at optimal range is unaffected, but repeated precision hits require more weapon control to land consistently
Boost damage by 10% against AI combatants

 

[Ruthless_Barbarian]

Nobody is complaining about the pvp changes. They are good.

WHY THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE TO SPOIL OUR FUN IN PVE BUNGIE!

 

[EroticSushi]

I just can't grasp the nerf they're doing to Icebreaker. I don't even use it but find the nerf insane. 8 seconds per reload shot? At this point they might as well just strip the title of Exotics off all of these weapons.

 

[III-V]

judging from the damage falloff pics they posted, the auto rifle buff really doesn't look that great. I guess we will see when in play.

 

[zewone]

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Why are they killing my baby, The Last Word? Just fix the ads glitch. If I understand correctly the magazine size is going down too which makes it worse.

I just hope the age of pulse rifles won't be upon us.

Hopscotch Pilgrim is your new overlord.

 

[LiK]

the age of NL Shadow and Salvation is upon us.

 

[phen0m24]

Mida is so good. #MidaMeta

give me Messenger or give me

Spoiler

red

death

I can't use anything else