Orthogonal
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People have complained about PvP weapon balance and for the most part everyone is ok with it.
Few complain about PvE balance, but they nerf it anyway, hence the outrage.
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People have complained about PvP weapon balance and for the most part everyone is ok with it.
Few complain about PvE balance, but they nerf it anyway, hence the outrage.
Subtervotion
Member
Not sure why you're attacking but ok. Look at the stats, energy and shards have a 25% difference. Do you really think those two have that large of a gap? Logic would dictate they are likely the same drop rate.
ReignofSparrows
Member
The nerf is perfect because it keeps the FR snipers just as viable in PvE and rewards skillful application of the perk.
17 Seconds
Banned
The "one exotic at a time" stance is 100% necessary to make legendaries relevant. People just don't take the time to think logically about stuff like that before raging on the internet.
ftfy
Orochinagis
Member
Time for the Suros to own the pvp, again.
ReignofSparrows
Member
You asked for numbers. You get numbers and immediately reject them because they don't conform to what you argued - on the basis of nothing, I might add.
Also, logic doesn't mean what you think it means. "I think everything would drop in a uniform distribution because symmetry makes sense to me" is hardly logical or persuasive.
17 Seconds
Banned
Because most people rely on the same few weapons In PvE also, and they think that they need them. Destiny is forcing people to use new guns, and I'm all for it.
It's funny how people always use the "Destiny wants you to play THEIR way" as an insult. It IS their game, and it's pretty fun. If it ever stops being fun, I'll stop playing it and choose one of the other 126,630 games out there.
Holy shit! There's a Dragon Age rocket launcher coming?
Coming exclusively to a Suros retailer near you.
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Sentinalprimus
Member
Any interest in running a fresh VoG hm?
There will always be people complaining about any kind of balance. Personally, I look at the notes and literally everything is reasonable. The black hammer perk was infinitely better than any other raid weapon perk, so it had to be changed. Gjallarhorn has been a huge crutch, about time it was changed. All weapon types are being tweaked, rather than just needing one in to oblivion(again), which I appreciate.
The one that seems off a bit for me is ice breaker, and even that makes sense when I think about why: PvP. The special ammo change a while back made ice breaker's infinite ammo into a very useful thing. People could sit back and snipe without every grabbing more ammo.
The one that seems off a bit for me is ice breaker, and even that makes sense when I think about why: PvP. The special ammo change a while back made ice breaker's infinite ammo into a very useful thing. People could sit back and snipe without every grabbing more ammo.
Subtervotion
Member
I'm not rejecting your numbers. I'm just saying that they are likely false because the sample size is tiny. Especially the first link you posted. The sample size is like 5 people on some of those graphs.
You think bungie made energy drop at 45% and shards drop at 70% because you saw a graph online. I think bungie has them both drop evenly because it makes sense. No one is right. It's all speculation.
I still think the black hammer has a shitty drop rate. And I think the foil does too. Only difference is people actually want the hammer, it's got a higher demand which means it's drop rate is called into question more.
Dark Orchid
Member
I wanted them to remove it because it just doesn't feel worth it, you know? I mean, yeah, for variety it's fine, but I don't want a dlc update where 90% of the faction snipers are that model and there's only one high impact sniper that can be obtained once every month 2/9 times. I just don't want the HoW situation where the most powerful snipers are really hard to get unless you played in the last dlc.
Orochinagis
Member
I think that breaks the point of having DLCs and progress in the game
Sentinalprimus
Member
You have a fantastic song (featured in the weekly update) to back up that claim? /s
Is the Hezen good? I have one at 300 and have been debating ascending it. I never really used it much.
I'm up for any PoE, up to and including Skolas, if anyone wants to run something.
Hmm, no melee changes yet? Was really interested in seeing how that was going to be addressed, but maybe the new subclasses are just that.
Sooooo nice to see the Necrochasm love too, both from you guys and them. Really crazy that such a fun gun should be so oddly ineffective. Glad that'll change. Not sure if I agree with the nerfs overall though. While some people choose to go the "easy" route and try to use Thorn and TLW in PvP, some of us choose to use pulse rifles, scount rifles, and legendary hand cannons to great effect. Spare Change was ripping it up like crazy for me in PvP this morning, just as Bad Juju, my trusty Badger CL, and my Word of Crota have been over the past few weeks ffs. Skill will always win out over any seemingly unfair advantage a gun gives a player.
Sooooo nice to see the Necrochasm love too, both from you guys and them. Really crazy that such a fun gun should be so oddly ineffective. Glad that'll change. Not sure if I agree with the nerfs overall though. While some people choose to go the "easy" route and try to use Thorn and TLW in PvP, some of us choose to use pulse rifles, scount rifles, and legendary hand cannons to great effect. Spare Change was ripping it up like crazy for me in PvP this morning, just as Bad Juju, my trusty Badger CL, and my Word of Crota have been over the past few weeks ffs. Skill will always win out over any seemingly unfair advantage a gun gives a player.
I don't agree. In PVE, I would rarely use an exotic primary. Same goes for special. There are many great options for legendary options. There will always be a go to weapon, and most of them are not exotics. I guess I played too much Borderlands where you played with whatever you wanted and there were complex builds that took creativity for the community to dream up. With Destiny, I think there will always be a new variant of the 4 or 5 best guns that everyone will try to match and the grind to get them.
Sentinalprimus
Member
Rerollers of gaf. If I want an all round good Scout Rife what should I be chasing and what roll?
My guess is they'll hold subclass changes until pretty close to TK. It'll be a good card to keep in hand.
xVaalbarAx
Member
OMOLON ALL DAY EVERYDAY.
Mutanthands
Member
So, I'm of two minds on the changes; I was already diversifying my load outs between my three characters, so I don't feel like I need to re-spec everything. My Titan is Scout Rifle specialist, my Warlock carries Pulse Rifles and, as of late, auto rifles, and my Hunter specializes in hand cannons. My Hunter may need to pick up a new primary, depending on how shitty my middle to long distance game gets with the upcoming nerf. Wish I had known the details of what was coming, I would have picked up some Iron Banner armor for scout rifle perks. I'm drowning in them.
Two characters carry the Big G-Horn, but I've grown fond of machine guns, and have a few good ones with all three characters. Still, the nerf is going to be irritating as hell if the don't rebalance more of these shit encounters.
The shotgun thing bothers me, since all three characters primarily use them in that middle slot. Fusion Rifles better be making a comeback; it they still feel weird, I'll be pissed.
It's something. Just don't know if it's the right something. Don't fuck it up, Bungie.
Two characters carry the Big G-Horn, but I've grown fond of machine guns, and have a few good ones with all three characters. Still, the nerf is going to be irritating as hell if the don't rebalance more of these shit encounters.
The shotgun thing bothers me, since all three characters primarily use them in that middle slot. Fusion Rifles better be making a comeback; it they still feel weird, I'll be pissed.
It's something. Just don't know if it's the right something. Don't fuck it up, Bungie.
The Gally doesn't make the PvE content easier - just less tedious. Outside of VoG there really are not any difficult mechanics, just annoying mobs/bullet sponge enemies. The Gally made that content less annoying. After the nerf the PvE stuff will not be more challenging, just more tedious and annoying.
I need to do 32s for the armor if we could find another
And this is probably the crux of the argument. Personally, I'm stoked about Final Round only affecting Precision damage and not Base damage because Trials was quickly becoming a real fucking pain.
Bungie basically have to prove that with the TTK, the new weapons they're planning to have are actually worth using. I kinda figure that's why there's nerfs aplenty now, so that it makes the new guns feel more powerful than they originally may have been and worth using.
ReignofSparrows
Member
Wait, you think people feel the BH is a lower drop rate than the Foil? Here is the thing: You won't find many sane people that hold that viewpoint.
I mean, we can take a headcount. Does anybody who has significant time spent in both raids think the Foil drop rate is actually higher than the BH?
Look on any thread in any forum on the internet and you will see a mass consensus: The Foil is extremely, extremely rare. More so than any other raid legendary.
So, are the survey results perfect? Obviously not. There are clearly bogus responses and the sample size is not huge. But there is a wide gulf in that data between the BH and Foil responses. That's an enormous disparity if we assume the null-hypothesis. That, coupled with the overwhelming anecdotal evidence that is basically uniformly oriented in one direction leads to one highly probable conclusion and many other not so probable conclusions.
Orochinagis
Member
The real culprit destroying PVE was the Icebreaker but we got a better sniper in TDB, Bungie needs to add a new versatile Rocket Launcher to replace the Horn.
Nah, Hunger of crota have better perks
Orthogonal
Member
No, it's terrible. Fig just has too much Etheric Light to know what to do with it.
Subtervotion
Member
I don't know about the weekly update but https://youtu.be/otCpCn0l4Wo
Anyway I'm not claiming to have the hard data of the drop rates. And I'm not even saying I'm a good guesser. But I do think the black hammer nerfed is pretty dumb. I'm happy about the auto rifle buff though. Overall the meta needs a lot of changes and this will hopefully be a good one.
I actually miss the reign of Suros, maybe now Ill be able to use it again.
ReignofSparrows
Member
On this, I think we can all agree.
That feeling when you keep missing, get down to 3 shots in the mag and go on a boss-killing chain that wears out your trigger finger. Nothing else in the game felt like it, and now it will be gone for good.
Dark Orchid
Member
Thinking about it, I'm really glad I spent some time guessing about and preparing for Taken King. I leveled up my Hard Light because I plan to get a bunch of Omolon weapons, and then it's revealed that it'll be a really good AR now. Last week I decided to buy an AR with all these marks I'm not using and made this, which should be really good once this patch hits.
It's heartbreaking. Hoping the community push-back makes them rethink it. No one was complaining about this!
Luke Smith, if you're reading, please have them reevaluate this.
Congrats!
Orthogonal
Member
It just doesn't make sense that they are nerf ing the Horn now. Its not like LFG elitism is a new thing. If it was going to be nerfed, it should have been done last year.
Tin foil hat*: There was no way they were going to nerf the biggest carrot-on-a-stick the game until a major content update necessitated it. That time has come.
Tin foil hat*: There was no way they were going to nerf the biggest carrot-on-a-stick the game until a major content update necessitated it. That time has come.
Trust me. I'm a PhD
Member
Niiiiiiiice^^ Still just need flawless...
ReignofSparrows
Member
If there are enough people around that need flawless for PS4, I'd be happy to help.
DrDrizzay101
Member
Insert sine wave picture here, with us trending towards the bottom but (hopefully) ready to rise again when they reveal more TTK details.
Also, this is where I encourage people to focus discussion on the game itself, not each other (or the people that make the game). Criticize the update, but try to explain why it deserves criticism. If you disagree, try to explain why without complaining about their complaining. And let's not talk about each other's asses unless it's complimentary or shard-related.
Just a suggestion, as someone who's been through all the DGAF ups and downs.
Also, this is where I encourage people to focus discussion on the game itself, not each other (or the people that make the game). Criticize the update, but try to explain why it deserves criticism. If you disagree, try to explain why without complaining about their complaining. And let's not talk about each other's asses unless it's complimentary or shard-related.
Just a suggestion, as someone who's been through all the DGAF ups and downs.
I'll do a 32 need a 34 too.
j2theizzay
Member
Grats. I became a Guardian Lord today too.
Red Death already rules the Crucible. The thing was basically the Anti-Thorn.
Trust me. I'm a PhD
Member
The medium damage Pulse Rifles are getting a 2.5% damage nerf, and I think Red Death is among them. Very interested in how Scout Rifles will fair in the new meta...