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Destiny |OT33| Hey Luke, What's the Theme for King's Fall? (Unmarked Spoilers)
- Thread starter DrDrizzay101
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It's more about the lack of trade-offs. Every Super up to this point has some sort of risk/reward and some sort of weakness that complimented it's strength.
Bladedancer - bad range, need to find opponent. Not very good armor - can be shotgunned or sniped.
GG - amazing range and mobility but you need to find a target and you can be easily killed.
Shadowshot - lol (i like it though)
Sunsinger - easy to evade grenade spam if you see it coming. Can basically run away.
Voidbomb - amazing AOE but you need to find a group of enemies
Stromcaller - not unlike Bladedancer - you need to find your targets and get within range
Bubble - Confined to very small area. Easily avoided. Can be supered.
smash - Not fanatastic range. Need to find group.
And then Sunbreaker. I'm at a loss to list it's weaknesses. Can the Titans chime in on that?
Slammin_Hammon
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The drain does seem much less compared to other roaming supers.
~ Zyzomys ~
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Anyone got a check point for the jumping bit after Golgoroth? I need the Calcified Ruin found at the very beginning on the bottom ledge.
Cheers
Cheers
Negative: You need super energy to activate it
PrivateWHudson
Member
So BoL on the platform, melting point, a couple of exotic swords and space magic for add clean up? Deku figured that melting point and swords would be a good combo for a boss.
iRAWRasaurus
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last time checking the thread before I started
ToVenusAndBack
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Slammin_Hammon
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It drains much faster than sith lord floating about
I meant for using hammers. The drain of it being active is a bit slow too though, especially compared to golden gun. It makes sense for sith lords to drain fast since they are supposed to be used for short range wrecking.
Brad doesn't deserve that Spindle.
Vincent Alexander
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We'd beaten it 2-man multiple times the first time it was live, so the Jansport had room.
We only had 1 Exotic Sword, Raze-Lighter
Melting point is just stupid good. A bit risky, but so good.
I'm mainly a Gunslinger and have killed Sunbreakers with GG every time but they'll switch to max armor for Trials. I don't have an issue with them during normal crucible and probably Iron Banner I'll feel the same. But I'll probably play ToO only when they bring it back before everyone brings their titan. Playing against 3 Sunbreakers will be too much
Also, congrats to the flawless raid team!
Also, congrats to the flawless raid team!
But he's the Destiny Expert of GiantBomb.com
I had my friend send you a party invite, it was from J_H_T_G. The 5 of us are in right now.last time checking the thread before I started
He couldn't get consistent crits with it
Give it to Jeff.If you happen to read this, Brad, I'm just teasing.
Depends, increasing the drain time also reduce hammers thrown by 1 at least, as drain is pretty heavy between animations.
Have you infused your Spindle yet or are you basking in the 310 gloriousness before nerf?
piratethingy
Self professed bad raider
Totally full? If you have a spot I'll Sherpa you
I think the vid of the flawless run is a good vid to see how not to die and stuff lol
ToVenusAndBack
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MandrakeUK
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iRAWRasaurus
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EL CUCO
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They should keep them at 310 and drop the ones from the kiosk, if anything
I recall having to spend nearly half an hour waiting for you to get on to that ship in the first jumping puzzle on our blind run.
Roddslayer
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Anybody want to do the Shield Bros/Chaperone strike around 9pm PDT tonight? I'm willing to run it a couple times so we all can get the shotgun kills.
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I think the commentary about how Sunbreakers aren't just their super, but instead are a full class that can't be judged solely on their super, is well taken. I'm not sure if anyone denies that it's the best super in the game, but I think it's a clear winner, and made to be so on purpose. I may differ from many in that I don't actually think the rest of the tree is that weak, but it's definitely the case that the class is balanced around its intentionally very strong super, and the majority of its perks affect that super, which does need to be kept in mind for any rebalancing.
However,
Finally...
Even though I really do think it's OP in its current form and want it to be toned down, I don't think it will be that much of an overwhemling factor in Trials. It may well be used to end a round quickly and decisively or turn a 3v1 scenario, as can other supers. But its strengths aren't particularly well-suited for Elimination. It feels so ludicrously powerful in the Crucible as a whole because in modes like Control and Rift, it can clear out a clustered group at the objective point in a second, roll down a hallway and kill another fleeing guardian, with time left over for another hammer or two tossed at the an unlucky respawner from the first group.
Sure it'll lead to a bullshit round every so often. But my ire in Trials is likely to remain dedicated to Fireborn Sunsingers that keep my fucking adrenaline at unhealthy levels with their heretical treachery. Just let the round be OVER DAMN YOU
However,
- To some extent this isn't a caveat about balance... it's build advice. Sunbreakers are at their best when they're able to use their supers frequently and on demand. So people who want to get the most out of Sunbreaker should go for as much INT as possible and seek the perk Quintessence Transfer or, less ideally, Brawler's Charge (Inverse Shadow is fine for PvE as well). They should strongly consider Bad Juju or Zhalo Supercell as primary weapons. Their teammates should wear Alpha Lupi/Light Beyond Nemesis. Excellent synergy here with Simmering Flames in PvE of course (especially with Melting Point chosen and Quintessence Transfer; simply makes sure to allow both your melee and grenade to charge before popping your super). Cauterize is more valuable (and extremely so) in PvP.
In other words, especially at very competitive levels, you can build around the class weaknesses to some extent- as you should be able to. - Even if the damage reduction were brought down to the level of Stormtrance, in my opinion Hammer of Sol would still be the clear overall best super in the game. This is what strikes me the most starkly, since even if we're all in agreement that it simply should be unquestionably the best super, there's wiggle room for it to be balanced without even losing that title. I think this is the gist of my argument for a slight nerf.
- I doubt anyone has any problem with it for PvE, it's simply a great asset to a team while at the same time a Defender is still extremely valuable and it can't just be the go-to for every scenario if you're not in fireteam rich with Titans. It needs to be tweaked just for Crucible. If anyone disagrees with this I would love to see it voiced, but this is one thing I hope Bungie can take into consideration.
Finally...
Even though I really do think it's OP in its current form and want it to be toned down, I don't think it will be that much of an overwhemling factor in Trials. It may well be used to end a round quickly and decisively or turn a 3v1 scenario, as can other supers. But its strengths aren't particularly well-suited for Elimination. It feels so ludicrously powerful in the Crucible as a whole because in modes like Control and Rift, it can clear out a clustered group at the objective point in a second, roll down a hallway and kill another fleeing guardian, with time left over for another hammer or two tossed at the an unlucky respawner from the first group.
Sure it'll lead to a bullshit round every so often. But my ire in Trials is likely to remain dedicated to Fireborn Sunsingers that keep my fucking adrenaline at unhealthy levels with their heretical treachery. Just let the round be OVER DAMN YOU
Slammin_Hammon
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Yeah I think the drain can be ignored for the most part for rebalancing purposes. To balance it they just need to reduce either lethality or survivability.
Hey Luke, please put in a word so idiots like me (that accidentally dismantled a legendary sword) can restart the quest. Don't to be forever without the void exotic!
Thanks!
PrivateWHudson
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This story gets more impressive after each new fact.
4 minutes to spare - nice!
2 man, third is a carry - wow.
Only one exotic sword (even if it is the best of the three) - Awesome.
Were the other heavies legendary swords? Maybe Thunderlord?
They should keep them at 310 and drop the ones from the kiosk, if anything
I don't think they are though. I thought someone confirmed for us on Twitter or something.
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
Now drizzay's question along with the
lesbian bear raid boss
I recall having to spend nearly half an hour waiting for you to get on to that ship in the first jumping puzzle on our blind run.
True! But! Warlocks aren't good at being pioneers, but are good at execution! My jumps are so precise!!!
DonutTurtle
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Are you on PSN?
I did the same on my hunter to try and get around having to do the PvP part again. I'll be deleting and releveling the hunter next weekend to fix that mistake.
noomi
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xplicitone
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I'll be home in 5 minutes!
I actually deleted said hunter not even a week ago (more like 3 days ago) so I could level a male Titan since Bungie refuses to make female Titans have as bulky a frame as their male counterparts. Then I decided against it and releveled the hunter up to the point I face now.