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Destiny |OT35| Time to Explain At Last
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noomi
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2 hunters, 3 titans, 1 warlock.
Lowest hunter 308, was relic runner, everyone else was 310 i believe. All had high impact snipers on ogres helped.
Cool, we might have one spot open, ill let you guys know if you need one.
SenatorBot
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Yes, from what I've seen it drops you out at a decent height high enough to do a little damage to you when it finishes.
If you're too low within the shade, you'll die when you kill oryx due to the fall damage.
Sounds about right. HM is literally just a gear check version of NM. Oryx will be just as easy as the other parts within a week or two.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Please. Ive been a guild and raid leader in WoW. Dont try to educate me with standard mmo raiding. Your elitist attitude is part of the problem. "Git gud" isnt constructive nor helpful. Ive seen Oryx glitch out, Ive seen people die due to physics or stupid reasons elsewhere. Saying "git gud" aint shit. The person saying that aint shit either, probably wants an easy carry because they cant lead.
silver.tongue
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Some are brutal. Some are easy.
This week is an easy one.
So easy that people are actually "farming" it trying to get the flayer cloaks.
Edit: And yes, I agree with Zoba. Endgame is way way way worse than it was in year one, which I never had a problem with.
What an elitist viewpoint. You're supposed to have fun with Destiny, stop taking it so seriously.
People can find fun in challenging content.
brianjones
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i thought it was all about loot drops
You take it as if I just say "git gud" and sit there and wait for the person figure out what they're doing wrong. If you've raided with me, you'll know I fucking yell out everything any time someone is fucking up, myself included.
But when someone is fucking up continuously and consistently, I'm not afraid to acknowledge when someone just fucking sucks at what they need to be doing and are unable to learn and get better.
I want to play with people who are on their game and are willing to learn when they fuck up.
I have never once denied my elitism and I embrace it. Trying to use it as an insult against me is hilarious to me. If I'm playing in a team-based environment that requires intense coordination, I expect people to all be there to execute perfectly.
There will always be learning moments in complex encounters. It comes with the territory. My issue is when we are clearly far past that point and people are still fucking up due to inattentiveness or what have you.
I wish there were Taken Captains during one of the fights.
We sorta half kinda got it (maybe like 1/10 of Taken Captain levels).
Collateral22
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Zocano is spot on tbh. 99.9% of the time when I die, it's because I am doing something wrong. Whether it be not clearing adds, not watching timers, not paying attention to wall boners, jumping carelessly, not calling out ect. I would rather someone yell at me if I kept doing something wrong because it would drill it into my head and enable me to improve and really grasp what I was doing wrong.
If you're talking about Warpriest, that doesn't count. He could still be killed in two phases.
Agent_Tiro
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I'm exactly the same. But I have clan mates who are more prone to lapses in concentration. But we are all able to admit when we messed up and the better players give advice on what we should be watching for.
It is a learning experience and the multiple aspects you have to juggle get easier the more you do it. It just takes different people differing lengths of time to have it click.
Give it 2-3 weeks and HM will be on farm for most people. Even the "scrubs".
I'm aware I come off as a dick but I also usually don't get my message across 100%. I want people to be there to get good and learn and execute. Everyone (including me) get rekt when it comes to a new encounter because we don't know what's going on and don't have a rhythm for the encounter or what our roles and jobs are (especially with Destiny when roles are sorta on the fly cause there's no Healer/Tank/DPS triad). If you're there and fucking up I'll call it out but I won't call you a shit bag and a scrub
and throw you out, I'm aware there's a learning period for everyone.
But if you're there, half awake, not paying attention, not understanding mechanics when we've wiped 10 times, don't notice debuffs that are right in your face, then I'm going to get pissed off and frustrated because you don't have your head where it needs to be for raiding.
And I wrap all that up in as "git gud" because it really just comes down to that more than anything.
not actually seriously
But if you're there, half awake, not paying attention, not understanding mechanics when we've wiped 10 times, don't notice debuffs that are right in your face, then I'm going to get pissed off and frustrated because you don't have your head where it needs to be for raiding.
And I wrap all that up in as "git gud" because it really just comes down to that more than anything.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Oh my apologies, yeah fuck those people. They just fuck up continuously, fuck em. Unless theyre reminded theyre fuck ups, then it aint worth raiding with them.
Man, Ive known raid leaders and people like you. Give it one or two tries, berate the person, swap em out for a new person when they fail and you cant deal with it. Do you really believe some people are robots who dont know theyre fucking up? Who cant listen and learn? If anything those people know that theyre messing up, every time you wipe its on their mind.
"Willing to learn they fuck up." Thats quite an elitist statement. I havent encountered anyone, not on DGaf, who was completely oblivious and in denial that they messed up. I dunno where you found this person or people to make you have such an elitist attitude.
Such a toxic attitude. Ive had raid groups for Kings Fall where the majority of people havent done it, and the only time Id complain and bitch at someone dying because its their first time is if I wanted a 30 minute run...which is to say never. If Im doing a raid, i put up to 2 hours aside in case something goes wrong or some people arent confident doing it consistently. You have the wrong attitude to be raiding if the first thing that comes to your mind is "that guy fucking up isnt learning.".
Everyone is different, and it can take others longer to fully wrap their heads around things, so shouting and yelling at someone for messing up is a really shitty thing to do.
You can help someone understand a mechanic without yelling at them. Yes, people mess up, but to immediately shout at them for it is shitty. I'd be leaving the game I'm in straight away if anyone did that to me. This is a videogame, not the fucking army dude.
You know what needs to be the first thing that is done by the "group leader" when things don't work?
You ask "So guys, what is going wrong?"
And then you let everyone talk and tell you their POV.
We had a group at NM Oryx and we wiped 4 times in a row seemingly out of nowhere.
Then I asked and we went from person to person and one of them said "My Ogre always dies super late so I can't make it to the middle in time and die."
There was the problem, we told the roamers to properly help him and low and behold, next turn Oryx died.
The game is about communication both in AND out of the fight.
Some people will know what is happening but might not feel comfortable with stepping forward and saying it. Especially not if they might be "singled out".
So you let everyone give their view and they won't feel alone and unable to speak up.
You ask "So guys, what is going wrong?"
And then you let everyone talk and tell you their POV.
We had a group at NM Oryx and we wiped 4 times in a row seemingly out of nowhere.
Then I asked and we went from person to person and one of them said "My Ogre always dies super late so I can't make it to the middle in time and die."
There was the problem, we told the roamers to properly help him and low and behold, next turn Oryx died.
The game is about communication both in AND out of the fight.
Some people will know what is happening but might not feel comfortable with stepping forward and saying it. Especially not if they might be "singled out".
So you let everyone give their view and they won't feel alone and unable to speak up.
"Stop taking it seriously" is such a weird cop out for me. No matter what you are doing, if it requires intense focus and coordination, and other people are relying on you, you damn well better be taking it seriously.
And no, raiding isn't hard, which is why I get irate when people aren't good at it.
If you've raided with me, you'd know I sort of just take that position even if someone is already trying to be that. I'm a hard ass but I'll work with people to mold them into perfection.
Also I get around that last bit by singling everyone out as often as possible, myself included.
Jeez, playing a videogame is meant to be FUN. FUN. I don't play Destiny to be shouted at when I mess something up.
Playing with you sounds like the worst.
It is still a game remember, and it is skill based. Not everyone you play with is as good as you I guess.
I fixed your statement there.
Remember man,not everyone is like we are and maybe has really long raiding history in MMOs with much harder content.
Sure, and I get enjoyment out of executing a team coordinated game perfectly. That's my fun.
Sentinalprimus
Member
No and no, nothing yet.
Which shouldn't matter in this game cause you pick your own raid groups anyways. That seems to be a common pro for the lack of matchmaking, no?
You can do that without overreacting and shouting at people too. Not everything has to be a flawless run.
Which is why I didn't say "Stop taking it seriously" - I said calm down. You can be serious about something without shouting and being condescending.
Fun is just a buzzword when you can't actually think of any real seasons as to why the game is good.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
No see he has to shout at people because raiding is the easiest thing ever.
Oh god Im on /v/ all of a sudden
A lot of what we do in the raids is actually pretty easy.
TheAquaticApe
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...Okay? I'm not discussing the quality of Destiny itself.
Of course, I died once so I'm clearly the worst player here and I deserve to be shouted at.
toastyToast
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Any hard raids coming up in the next hour or so that need someone?
Agent_Tiro
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We had a similar encounter the other night where we wiped repeatedly at oryx because 2 of the ogres were moving away from their spawn too much. Turned out that as we were mixing things up and giving people new roles in our usual raid group. We had forgotten to mention that the guys on the platforms have to help each other out with the ogres. So the one guy who was normally on ads didn't realise he should help his opposite plate Holder out. And the guy who was normally on that plate and now doing ads didn't realise he only had to fire 1-2 sniper crits at the ogres before moving onto next one, and he didn't need to stay till one was dead. Lo and behold the next run was flawless
For everyone? Or because it's easy for you, so everyone else should be able to do it just as easily.
FWIW, I agree most of it is easy, for me. But I've played with many different skill levels, and some people have trouble. You have to be patient sometimes. It never helps to berate someone.
They keep half-trying with the the perk bonuses but I feel they aren't going far enough with it.
I feel like they're really scared of just making a single set of items that overshadow everything else but I feel like that can be avoided by making a *TON* of different PvE/PvP perks
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Then its amazing you have to tell those fuck ups to git gud, isnt it? The raid is incredibly simple, and yet you end up having to yell and call people fuck ups..I pity you.
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