figadapaura
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And we already have a LitC revive sniper, so I don't feel like shit has improved at all.
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Destiny |OT35| Time to Explain At Last
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One of Bungie's primary goals for Y2 was to be able to respond to weapon balance issues a lot quicker, hopefully they come through.
Although, I recall Luke mentioning that they like having 'seasons' where certain weapon archetypes rule, so idk - There seems to be a disconnect between those two statements so I honestly have no idea how they'll respond to these issues.
ethomaz
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Wait... is it a PS Store Card code?Its good but check out the gamer tag at the bottom of bravo team
ethomaz
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It is yet but you need really go to close range now shoties for that is a easy option... I can kill shoty guys with TLW fast than they hit me but it hard to deal with it.
Yeah we did it last night too, it was more of a question of what light level does the old strategy become viable again. At 308 you'll get absolutely wrecked by adds because you can't possibly kill the ogres, then the knights, and then clear the adds all while doing reduced damage. We tried and made it to bombs once or twice but it was massively inconsistent.
Does the enemy going from orange to yellow signify a significant jump? I guess that is the root of the question because that is where 310 to 311 happens.
I can be #6
PSN : MikeGaum1984
EDIT : Titan and Warlock are 311-313 depending the loadout.
Can't since it's a PS exclusive map. Though I wish it could just to see the salt flow.
I played a game of elimination there the other night, it was horrible. I'm guessing that the capture point will be B flag, but teams just prefer to charge straight ahead to smash the opposing team.
No amazing drops any more. You have to grind out lame quest lines instead because that's what "the people" wanted.
;-p
I love the quests they added with solid rewards, but I wish that wasn't all there was. A loot game still needs quality loot drops.
Awesome. That makes six. I'll shoot you a FR.
1. LTWood12
2. T-44
3. Saveweyard
4. Afrodeeziak
5. xLikx
6. MikeGaum1984
See ya'll tonight.
To me, a class of weapons being superior is different than literally 2 dominant primaries, and anything is better than Thorn dominance.
If we judge based on the weapons I get killed by, the variety is way greater than before.
It's not perfect and never will be but it is absolutely more diverse. I think we can judge better after Trials- if all I'm seeing is NM pulse and Red Death, I'll change my tune.
Just my $.02.
yes, such was the level of this persons confusion that they entered a voucher number instead of a PSN name when setting up initially (lol)
So I'm guessing I shouldn't google Boku no Pico...?
my bad. fix'd.
Lots of good stuff, but what do you already have?
figadapaura
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Sure, I've used a Sidearm a bit myself, but they're not suddenly better than they were before. People just assumed they were shit (myself included) and never used them. Only Hand Cannon I ever really see is Hawkmoon unless it's the Imprecation or Gunsmith bounty one.
Auto Rifles definitely perform better, but they're still pretty shit. Only one worth using is the Zhalo or maybe a good roll on a Gunsmith one. And even then, I still saw Auto Rifles before TTK when they were atrocious, so.
Scouts have a very small niche that pulse rifles slip into far too much.
GustyGardens
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I was in the same situation last night. I ended up buying an engram from the Cryptarch. It turned into the Hacksaw, which is cool, but it was a 275. I kind of regret it.
Tomorrow will be my first Trials of Osiris, and I want to compete, but none of my friends are that familiar in The Crucible. I may have to hook up with DestinyGAF if I want a chance at The Lighthouse.
Sniping scrubs have a Guardian Angel somewhere in Bungie.
xplicitone
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Snipers will be less common in Trials than Pulse rifles, mainly because Pulse's range is ridiculous and the flinching some gives holds the advantage over a sniper. It'll be interesting to check out
MagnetoWasRight
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Nevermind, filled up.
Very true. Hand cannons needed an adjustment, but they went a little bit too far. Auto rifles probably still need another slight damage buff. I've got some great rolls on a few ARs, but every time I try to break them out in Crucible, I just feel like the time to kill is way too slow. Scouts are great, but very niche as you mentioned. Need something similar to the AR buff to be able to counter Pulses.
I don't know there is always going to be a meta. You nerf Pulse Rifles then it is Scout Rifles. Then you nerf Scout Rifles and then close quarters combat is all that is left. There is no perfect balance. You make your own fate right, you see a team with all Pulse Rifles you use the geometry of the map to get the correct lines, set up traps, etc and hit them with mid to close range weapons. It just seems people keep blaming the meta as a crutch for constantly losing long range fire fights.
Some things were broken, like Thorns range and Shotgun range, but for the most part Pulse Rifles aren't broken. They are just the best weapon for a firefight out in the open, which is what 90% of bad players do. Myself included, which is why I use one. Sick of getting killed by them? Start sneaking around and taking them out from up close. I see in Iron Banner that is tough, but it shouldn't be to hard in ToO.
Some things were broken, like Thorns range and Shotgun range, but for the most part Pulse Rifles aren't broken. They are just the best weapon for a firefight out in the open, which is what 90% of bad players do. Myself included, which is why I use one. Sick of getting killed by them? Start sneaking around and taking them out from up close. I see in Iron Banner that is tough, but it shouldn't be to hard in ToO.
Slammin_Hammon
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The diversity of primaries is a lie. When everyone is using pulses it doesn't really make that much of a difference if it's Nirwen's or the Villany, the encounter will play the same. Weapon variety needs to come from weapon classes, not just different weapons within the same class.
Bungie are cowards, add swords but dont add light-sabres
There's a chance I might run late for the first run. If so, i'll let T know to check w/ you to replace me.
xChildOfHatex
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Anyone doing fresh Hard Mode Raid or from Totems?
Agreed. And they haven't changed much over the last year either! It's changes to other weapon groups that have brought us to this point. I still think the overall balance is better now than is was before though.
Certainly. I think ToO will rip apart the idea that Pulse Rifles are the only viable primary. Controlled matches where you can really use the map to your advantage and I can see someone skilled with TLW getting within range of me and killing me before I can even get two bursts off. Snipers will be picking off Pulse Rifle users like nothing too since they won't be getting Thorned. Iron Banner creates a sense of imbalance because everyone just fights in the open in Iron Banner because the spawns get so screwy you can't reliably know your six is covered. So people just run around shooting each other in the middle of the nowhere.
But I'm an awful PvPer so what do I know (;
MagnetoWasRight
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My friend won't be on until 10 EST. That's who I was trying to get in (he's a GAFfer too, but not a frequent poster.)
DrDrizzay101
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figadapaura
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Thorn users got sniped plenty before, it'll actually be harder to snipe now with pulse rifles throwing your aim off.
TLW and Thorn are such different weapons though. Going up against one or the other requires a different kind of playstyle. I'm not even advocating going back to the Thorn meta because it made me mad as fuck. But going up against a Nirwen's Mercy or a Hawksaw or a Grasp of Malok or an Apple of Discord or a Red Death or a Bad Juju or even a NTTE is exactly the same every fucking time.
So, no, having a whole class of weapons being superior isn't necessarily better. Just because the name of the weapon is different doesn't suddenly add variety.
TLW and Thorn are such different weapons though. Going up against one or the other requires a different kind of playstyle. I'm not even advocating going back to the Thorn meta because it made me mad as fuck. But going up against a Nirwen's Mercy or a Hawksaw or a Grasp of Malok or an Apple of Discord or a Red Death or a Bad Juju or even a NTTE is exactly the same every fucking time.
So, no, having a whole class of weapons being superior isn't necessarily better. Just because the name of the weapon is different doesn't suddenly add variety.
DrDrizzay101
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I believe I do. I can load it up in a minute.
Awesome, thanks!
TurboButts
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Yeah I really want to try out Trials but all my real life friends are supernoobs. If you wanna hook up for some trials of osiris n' chill, PSN: Not-A-Stalker
You think so? I thought people complained a lot about getting two head-shotted by thorns if they missed their first snipe. I guess for flinching it'll be different, but I feel like a sniper at the proper range has a better chance at a Pulse Rifle than they did against a Thorn.
xChildOfHatex
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Need 4 daring (and dashing) guardians for Hard Mode Raid starting at Totems. Currently the team is:
1. XchildofhateX
2. Molnizzle
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1. XchildofhateX
2. Molnizzle
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Hung Wei Lo
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I'm kind of in the same boat, needing some NM runs to even consider HM - I'm up for at least one run. Already on your FL - PSN is Kinezo
Union Carbine
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I just made it over 300, only got two Oryx kills under my belt. I'll be running normal mode for quite some time yet. Wish I could get on tonight but no go for me. ;(
Lighthouse
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Added myself for the third spot, if you dont mind.
figadapaura
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I'd be complaining about getting two-shotted by Thorn no matter what, but I don't remember it being such a huge issue with sniping in particular. I'll let you know tomorrow after I scrub up a Mercury run.
rasengan1337
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got you! see you then.
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