PrivateWHudson
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Bungie being Bungie. I always thought "rival" meant just as good, or better. I took it as in the 311-320 range and could be better than what you got from HM.
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Destiny |OT35| Time to Explain At Last
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Bungie being Bungie. I always thought "rival" meant just as good, or better. I took it as in the 311-320 range and could be better than what you got from HM.
You could get carried to Mercury Y1. I suck at PVP and never bothered, but I could have tried getting on a stabie train and easily reach Mercury with little to no effort on my part.
HM KF asks you to be at a respectable light level, and you have to carry your weight.
I stand by my point.
You can be carried in HM KF. You can beat Oryx with only 5 or 4 guardians.
figadapaura
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It will be better than KF HM in at least one way because you're actually guaranteed a drop.
Yaaaaay, Xur finally selling the Y1 Special engram. All I was missing for Y1 weapons were 3 Specials (Queensbreaker, Lord of Wolves and 4th Horseman) and I got all 3 now (had to buy one extra engram to do it though). The Alchemist Raiment was one of the only two Y2 exotic armors I was missing (other than the class items) so doubly rad. Also nice that Xur is selling the Zhalo for everyone who doesn't have that.
DVPredator85
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gutterboy44
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Agree, if that is the case. I would like to see both ToO and KF HM have good loot tables. Right now the raid is in a really bad spot for loot, so if ToO brings the 320 love much more directly than KF HM, that sucks. PvE already is dragged down by PvP balancing as it is.
figadapaura
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Only if they're good. Like being carried to Mercury.
MrAnderson
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You are guaranteed one HM drop from Oryx though.
rasengan1337
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aw shoot. didn't see this until now. we filled up, and took our time learning the mechanics. overall great learning experience. we got to Oryx and called it a night due to the lateness of the hour, but we're continuing tonight at 11pm EDT. we'll have 1 spot open due to Shiv not being able to join us. Having an experienced player would be great, if you are interested in joining us.
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2. kinezo
3. gibbshift
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figadapaura
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Don't ruin this for me.
Exactly.
gutterboy44
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So you just read the first google search def and stopped there?
Rival definition also includes out doing another, as in to be superior, not just equal. That is why it was a poor choice of words. If they just said, "equal to" it would mean just that. Rival can be used for both equaling or becoming superior to.
Shitty word choice on Bungies part. But what else is new. You guys are probably right that it will top off at 320. I just read it a different way yesterday and was like...wtf. We already have a new rat race!
So you agree that getting carried to Mercury Y1 was as easy as getting carried through a raid, then? ^^
That and my general knowledge of what the words means, yes. ToO gear won't be higher LL than HM KF.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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figadapaura
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Am I crazy or is it just common sense to assume they chose the meaning that meant the drops would be similar? Wtf would Bungie be smoking to give out 330 rewards in Trials and not KF?
You're not crazy. That's exactly what that meant.
gutterboy44
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They probably meant 320, but they were as clear as mud with their BWU wording. They used a word that can mean equal to or better for a metric we all give very precise fucks about.
Strangelove77
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I won't argue that Trials is hard, I personally could never have gotten to the lighthouse unless I was carried.
But Skolas was hard. Most people wouldn't even attempt it unless everyone could cheese it with all Gallys during the week when there was solar burn. Otherwise no one would touch Skolas.
And from jumping from raid group to raid group, most people despite being well leveled still have a hard time with the hm kf.
Seems that everyone gets stuck at war priest, daughters and Oryx. Shit, most won't even do Oryx. I personally only do hm Oryx on my warlock because I want the helmet. Other than that I don't bother. The shit drops make the time spent taking him down not worth it.
Even now I hesitate to join hm raids even if I do want to do them. It's a crapshoot whether I'll finish it in less than two hours or get stuck at daughters after 4 hours because we earlier got stuck on the war priest. The difficulty is all over the place for different people and technically I could ask/require stricter rules to join, but I'm not a fan of doing that. I hate the whole "must have ToM, be light level whatever and know the strategy."
Anywho, hm kf is not on farm status. It's just not.
EL CUCO
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These guys are hilarious.
https://youtu.be/OavDZI8k6UQ
https://youtu.be/OavDZI8k6UQ
EJRobinson90
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I'm not a native English speaker but for me "rivals" means "equal to", certainly in the context of Guardians who have been defeating Oryx in King’s Fall Hard Mode, considering there are no 330 drops (yet). At least that's how I read it. 330 rewards for Trials would be ridiculous, even though I loved Trials.
Yeah dunno why this is even a thought haha
I'll just be interested if they limit the 310-320 gear to packages and the lighthouse or if it's just going to drop randomly after wins and you can get it as many times as you want.
Either way my guess is it'll be like IB where only a select few pieces of gear will drop per ToO. If not they'll have totally rendered HM KF irrelevant.
Yes. Getting carried in either requires the same amount of effort on the person being carried.
For the people who are doing the carrying, they'll have an easier time in the raid vs trials.
figadapaura
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I don't think you really understand what rival means. You're getting mad over something that isn't there.
I beat HM Oryx last night. Got some decent drops along the way, but got jack shit from the big man himself. I feel like it will be a while before I get a 311+ primary weapon. It really sucks that the only source of 310-320 primary weapons is just Oryx HM. A few more should be peppered along the way.
Wait, where did this info come from?
Wait, where did this info come from?
toastyToast
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Should I get the vendor 1000 yard stare? Has somewhat useful pve perks and the Longview scope which is supposed to be comparable to Shortgaze
... this explains a lot of this week's raid timing issues @ totems... =)
Yes. You should. SLR-10 is a great scope.
If you don't have a better 1000 yard, then yes. It's the best PVE sniper in the game and has ridiculous aim assist in PVP.
gutterboy44
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I don't think you know what rival means.
"to compete with in rivalry : strive to win from, equal, or outdo." (for those that don't know what outdo means, 'be more successful than.)
It literally can mean to equal or better. Which is exactly why I read it one way and other did the other way. It can mean two different things, which in this case can mean equal 320 or be higher than 320. Is this the first word you guys have come across that has more than one definition? You have to read all those usages when googling a word. The first one is not the sole usage. You want to have fun, google "literally" one definition of literally is literally the opposite of the definition of literally. I think I just do too many crossword puzzles and know lots of bullshit alternative usage of otherwise banal words.
Don't worry, just Bungie using a poor choice of words in BWU. 320 is likely the max.
figadapaura
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There is no info.
DVPredator85
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So good.
toastyToast
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Yeah only other one is the reward one and Stillpiercer on my hunter. I got a pretty good Yazmin but I reckon I might need the additional impact
Might just do it. Got nothing to but really lol
JohnOfMars
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My current loadout is:
Pulses:
- Vendor Nirwen's Mercy
- Red Death
- Spare Change .25 with Headseeker/Hand-laid Stock/Glass Half Full
- Quest 1000 yard Stare
Pulses:
- Lyudmilla-D with Army of One/CounterBalance/Injection Mold
- Lyudmilla-D with Headseeker/Zen Moment/Hand-Laid Stock
- Herja-D with with Army of One/CounterBalance/Injection Mold
- Apple of Discord with Headseeker/Feeding Frenzy/Fitted Stock
- SUROS PDX-45 with Hammer Forged/ Counterbalance/Rifled Barrel
- Hawksaw with Fitted Stock/Outlaw/Single Point Sling
- Righteous VII with Hammer-Forged/Smallbore/Outlaw
- Righteous VII with Perfect Balance/Injection Mold/Outlaw
- Zarinaea-D with Partial Refund/Counterbalance/Rifled Barrell
- Darkblade's Spite with Hidden Hand/ Injection Mold/ Hot Swap
- Aoife Rua-D with Counterbalance/Zen Moment/(Quick Draw or Braced Frame)
- Tamar-D with with Outlaw/Spray and Play/(Quick Draw or Injection Mold)
KINGofCRA5H
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oooooh, nice, Xur has the Supercell. Congrats to those who are getting it for the first time, it's an awesome weapon
why the hell would anyone assume bungie would have trials drop 330 gear based off their weekly update?
why the hell would trials drop 330 gear anyway?
that would be as bad as having a guaranteed 320 piece of gear obtainable from trials.
that would be a giant slap to the face for pve players.
it's already bad enough for pvp players to have modes that take levels into account - this was bungie's half-assed way to keep players from not using superior guns from older content.
also, why should gear drop at a guranteed 320 for trials? i disagree with that entirely for three reasons:
1) levels and light, in the end, don't matter at all in pvp unless bungie forces it for their half-assed reason i've stated above - to keep players from using older and superior guns.
2) trials is the equivalent of the current hm raid based on bungie's stance. considering level actually matters in pve, it makes no sense for players to get a huge leap in pve content by doing the most difficult pvp stuff for guaranteed 320 gear/chance at 330 gear.
3) there's a separation of concerns that's being adhered and when bullshit happens that mixes the two together, you get problems and frustrated players who get screwed over. furthermore, bungie already dug themselves in a hole by making level matter sometimes in pvp when pvp is a shit way to get light levels to begin with.
nobody cares if getting a flawless in trials is harder than hm kf. pvp is not pve and vice versa.
why the hell would trials drop 330 gear anyway?
that would be as bad as having a guaranteed 320 piece of gear obtainable from trials.
that would be a giant slap to the face for pve players.
it's already bad enough for pvp players to have modes that take levels into account - this was bungie's half-assed way to keep players from not using superior guns from older content.
also, why should gear drop at a guranteed 320 for trials? i disagree with that entirely for three reasons:
1) levels and light, in the end, don't matter at all in pvp unless bungie forces it for their half-assed reason i've stated above - to keep players from using older and superior guns.
2) trials is the equivalent of the current hm raid based on bungie's stance. considering level actually matters in pve, it makes no sense for players to get a huge leap in pve content by doing the most difficult pvp stuff for guaranteed 320 gear/chance at 330 gear.
3) there's a separation of concerns that's being adhered and when bullshit happens that mixes the two together, you get problems and frustrated players who get screwed over. furthermore, bungie already dug themselves in a hole by making level matter sometimes in pvp when pvp is a shit way to get light levels to begin with.
nobody cares if getting a flawless in trials is harder than hm kf. pvp is not pve and vice versa.
figadapaura
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Yes, it can mean two different things. I'm pretty sure everyone in here knows the two meanings. It's not like it's an uncommon word. The fact you thought it was that meaning and not the other is crazy to me.
I also know what literally means. I don't do loads of crosswords, but I do have an English degree.
Precision killstreak is PvE, I think. The 7 crucible headshots was kind of ridiculous, though.
The context of their usage of the word alludes to them meaning "competing/equaling". That's the general meaning when used this way. As Fig mentioned, you're really stretching out of bounds here to get angry at something that we don't even know for a fact. In all likelihood, ToO gear will be same LL roll as HM KF.
EL CUCO
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Deserves to be on new page.
the concept of "pve players" being slapped in the face if Trials gear is 320 doesn't make sense to me.
A "pve player" is someone who isn't good or doesn't play pvp, right?
So because you aren't good or don't play something, others shouldn't be rewarded because they do?
And arguing that LL doesn't matter in PVP so they shouldn't get high light gear is absurd. There's no such thing as a "pvp player". There is 0 people who play PVP and only PVP and compete at a high level. You need to play PVE to earn weapons and armor.
A "pve player" is someone who isn't good or doesn't play pvp, right?
So because you aren't good or don't play something, others shouldn't be rewarded because they do?
And arguing that LL doesn't matter in PVP so they shouldn't get high light gear is absurd. There's no such thing as a "pvp player". There is 0 people who play PVP and only PVP and compete at a high level. You need to play PVE to earn weapons and armor.
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