I think the point being made is that there is a middle ground. Instead of time gates or a grind-fest, Bungie can simply make it challenging to get a weapon. For example, Black Spindle, without the requirement that the story mission be a daily.
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I think the point being made is that there is a middle ground. Instead of time gates or a grind-fest, Bungie can simply make it challenging to get a weapon. For example, Black Spindle, without the requirement that the story mission be a daily.
Hoho for breakfast
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I don't have the patience/skill for it. Just find someone with an Atheon checkpoint. That'll be the hardest part of the fight. I know these guys are always like oh yeah that mission was quick and I beat the raid in an hour and such...but the Atheon fight by itself actually is quick if you can get a checkpoint. If I remember right we beat it in under 10 minutes (it may have been like 5) and I had never played VoG before. It's super easy on normal level 26 if most people know what they're doing.
They said it would scan my inventory and give me a high possibility of dropping something I haven gotten yet, well I'm still waiting for my Warlock Bond on my main character.
But that would make time gated content less unique and exciting to chas... I mean wait for!
Oh, you went with the "it could always be worse!" comment? "Man, just imagine if they only released one exotic gun, and you could only get it if your character name began with a J? That would be much worse than waiting 1 or 2 days11!!!"
I don't think anyone is really getting too bent out of shape or even bent out of shape at all. We've seen our share of blow-ups in this community, and this is certainly not one of them.
There are just a lot of people who are disappointed by this time gating, so you're seeing a lot of "This sucks" sort of posts. Voicing my opinion that I'm frustrated with the way Bungie has handled this piece of content does not make me bent out of shape.
Luke Smith told us not to worry about the Hard Raid in not so many words, on GAF.
I think Luke is a great guy, and I'm really appreciative that he comes into these forums to talk to us...
But now HM KF is recommended 310 light, and the only way to get close to that was to get really lucky with RNG or boringly grind 3oC like a crazy person.
So what is a lowly unlucky with RNG 305 who ran the raid 3x a week supposed to do in HM KF?
I think Luke is a great guy, and I'm really appreciative that he comes into these forums to talk to us...
But now HM KF is recommended 310 light, and the only way to get close to that was to get really lucky with RNG or boringly grind 3oC like a crazy person.
So what is a lowly unlucky with RNG 305 who ran the raid 3x a week supposed to do in HM KF?
TearsOfBlood
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Technically, I was still flying o(￣ヘ￣o)
Akiyama_AE
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Need one more forNF join on me
Strangelove77
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Using "Instant gratification" and "society nowadays" pretty much guarantees that no reasonable adult will take you seriously.
Be wary that someone in here is saying he can't get the minotaur item to drop today.
You MIGHT be locked out of Atheon's drop as well, but it's worth tempting, so that we know.
Yeah, it's a really easy fight, some total beginners can even get carried through it easily now.
Killing Atheon with a CP is a 2 minutes affair...
EL CUCO
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I think the loot system in Crotas End was better in that regard. This one feels broken in comparison
Robdraggoo
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I got thr paradox ghost yesterday and turned it in. No quest this morning.
Damn
Damn
gutterboy44
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It would be nice if the Heroic Playlists started dropping 300+ engrams once you were 300+. There needs to be a chance at high LL gear besides the once per character raid and NF. The LL roll range in those events are too much. Way too easy to have all your drops for the week be lower than your current LL, and that is it until next week.
Exuse me, poor choice of words, I'm also not pointing out anyone here, it's everywhere destiny in general, it's people I know, reddit, other forums (those exist?)
Flying Toaster
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We have decided that is because Bungie hates you.
I was disappointed for about 3 minutes then realized fuck it whatever time to drag some Gaffers down while raiding...
Anyone need more for raids?
We absolutely obliterated him with it.
Meh, it's just like any other MMO hard raid release. They expect the "normal" raiding people to try it and beat a few bosses, but not clear it. Each boss drop get them closer to 310 but make them come back 2 or 3 weeks in a row to gear everyone in the fireteam up and clear the last boss. They expect the "super hardcore" raiders to beat it in the first week, either because they have grinded as close to 310 as possible or because they will beat their heads against the last boss until they beat him / find cheese.
All of this is preferable to the old days of "each boss drops 4 pieces of loot and you need to gear up 40 people" Vanilla WoW Nightmares.
Ok, I'll ask around
If you can't find one by Saturday let me know. I've got two saved, but will be out of town until Friday night
Seth Enosh
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Why not just start HM with 305 light and pick up some 310/320 armor from Golgoroth?
Most people did KF NM day one with less than 300 light and it was fine, even though 300 light was recommended for Oryx. Getting to 300 outside of playing KF NM was also a huge grind. Gothalion and Broman's team seems to have started at 297, 295, 293,295, 296, 297 based on the world first's video posted to youtube.
That's probably why he didn't see grinding to 310 as something players need to be worried about.
Up their gaming skills to 11 like in old good VoG days when you were 1-2 levels beneath enemies, and almost everything was doing almost OHK damage to you. So don't worry, your gear and level doesn't matter... just play in godtier level of skill!
And hope none of the bosses never ever fire at you. Or adds for that matter.
SS is way better for killing Atheon than Gjallarhorn ever was. Even if there was Y2 Gjallarhorn I still would take SS to Atheon just because you can deal full critical damage with every SS shot, but Gjallarhorns wolfpack just can't hit that critical spot for that insane critical damage.
TalentBurke
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Anybody want to do the nightfall with me? KeanBurke. Two spots free. Join if you want, party is public and I already started.
Flying Toaster
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Flying Toaster reporting for fail... I mean duty!
TheAquaticApe
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I was on mobile last night so I didn't get a chance to reply to this post! I made a note to do so this morning.
After spending some time with it, the NTTE feels like another "option" exotic. It's something you can use, but would you really?
I prefer my Red Death or Superzell in the Raid and PVE. In PVP I've got my Hawksaw, Nirwens, Red Death, Juju, and the list goes on from there.
I like the perk and the look, but it's an exotic that can easily be outclassed my a legendary gun at this point.
Edit: Also, I said this before, but the quest is 100X better for the NTTE than it was for the SS and First Curse. Except for the time gating stuff, that's just annoying.
TheCanisDirus
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Making it a daily makes it inaccessible to some for a certain amount of time, i understand that. But we're talking about exotic weapons here that are supposed to be... well, very, very rare.
Still completely fine with the daily thing. The only thing that might be an improvement (again, all my twisted opinion) is if they tell is in advance that "something might be happening on day X" etc. I'd be ok with a little warning. But also ok exactly the way it is.
Sentinalprimus
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Added you.
Be wary that someone in here is saying he can't get the minotaur item to drop today.
You MIGHT be locked out of Atheon's drop as well, but it's worth tempting, so that we know.
Well shit...I'm at work so I can't test now. I'm sure someone will have confirmed by the time I get home later today.
gutterboy44
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Telling players in advance would be better, but it would also feel ridiculous having to schedule around that. That starts to make it feel like a job again. They should make these exotic quests their own "event." Make the quest chain a little longer and have them active for an entire week. Black Spindle was really exciting when it was first discovered, but that is such a good challenge, they should make that available for anyone who wants to try it.
Seth Enosh
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Having spindle only accessible when Lost in Light was the Daily Heroic was nice IMO. It made it easier to find a fireteam to help with the mission. If it was accessible all the time people would rush to get it and then it would be harder to find help after a week or so.
Wouldn't mind if they opened it up 24/7 after a few months of being an event, though I suspect that won't happen until Destiny 2 (just like how the elder cipher was removed in TTK).
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Yeah Luke is a great guy, but I am not sure why the information has been kinda off - maybe he just doesn't know every decision being made. RNG has been fucking me really good with light level (still only have 300 boots on warlock). It just rubs me the wrong way to have difficulty gated by double RNG rolls. In HoW there was a guaranteed way to get etheric light.
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Jinjo
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Play it and kick Oryx's ass anyway. That's what I'm gonna do. A few light levels ain't gonna stop me. Remember, VoG hard first time was completed by a fireteam that had a few lv28's in it. No one was actually lv30.
We need to stop focusing so much about level, KF is more about execution.
Unlike CE lol
TheAquaticApe
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Meh, it's just like any other MMO hard raid release. They expect the "normal" raiding people to try it and beat a few bosses, but not clear it. Each boss drop get them closer to 310 but make them come back 2 or 3 weeks in a row to gear everyone in the fireteam up and clear the last boss. They expect the "super hardcore" raiders to beat it in the first week, either because they have grinded as close to 310 as possible or because they will beat their heads against the last boss until they beat him / find cheese.
All of this is preferable to the old days of "each boss drops 4 pieces of loot and you need to gear up 40 people" Vanilla WoW Nightmares.
If you can't find one by Saturday let me know. I've got two saved, but will be out of town until Friday night
I don't like this. By this point, the normal raid for anyone who has ran in every week, should have given the proper gear needed to now tackle the HM raid. Yes, I understand it's all RNG, but that doesn't make it any better.
Either way, as long as KF doesn't turn into a HM crota I will be fine. It should be a good challenge, but not insane.
TearsOfBlood
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Isn't NM 290LL recommended, the fights ranging between 280-300?
Isn't it safe to say then that HM fights will range between 300-320?
So only for Daughters/Oryx everyone will at least be 10 LL below the enemies, lucky drops in earlier sections notwithstanding.
I don't see why people are getting their knickers in a twist if this is the case. Challenging content will be challenging. What a surprise.
Isn't it safe to say then that HM fights will range between 300-320?
So only for Daughters/Oryx everyone will at least be 10 LL below the enemies, lucky drops in earlier sections notwithstanding.
I don't see why people are getting their knickers in a twist if this is the case. Challenging content will be challenging. What a surprise.
DrROBschiz
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At least now you have 3 ways to earn 300+ gear
Kings Fall normal, Crucible weekly ans Nightfall
gutterboy44
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More than the HM raid drops, I am concerned with the added mechanics. I really hope it is more VoG HM and not Crota HM. VoG HM is still fun to this day. Crota HM feels like a strike now.
To me it's about the principle of Bungie saying one thing and doing another. Of course I will still play HKF, but doesn't mean it's right to have a double RNG roll for armor with only Golgo giving some.
Hoffelcopter
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I've done the raids every week with my main, Warlock. Still have only gotten 307 Boots on him. Nothing else. I've use 310 Exotics and duplicate pieces from other classes to level him up. Got him to 308 thanks to exotics. My raid drops have been terrible.
Boots have never even dropped for my warlock and there are no exotics to level them up with lol. Way too much RNG on the rolls. It wouldn't be as bad if Golgo wasn't the only one to give armor.
TheCanisDirus
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Maybe a 3 day event window or something would be a perfect compromise? I'm an odd, video-game-masochistic, who loves these harder, hidden, limited and rare events. Hell, i'd love to see some "only available for 4 hours today" events that offer crazy rewards. I think it would be amazing (even if i couldnt make them, ever) to be part of a chaotic, frenzied community rush that only lasted part of a day for some epic loot!
figadapaura
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First Curse was a mistake, nothing but trash.
I have enough pulse rifles, thank you.
I have enough pulse rifles, thank you.
If there are spots still open, my wife and I are looking to get in on our first raid. I'm 298 at my highest and I think she's around 295? My PSN is Xeyark and hers is Nexcay. We'd definitely be able to do Friday evening or Saturday.
Edit: Eek! My first top post... This is all I got as far as cool gifs...
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