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Destiny |OT36| Fifty Shades of TTK
- Thread starter DrDrizzay101
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Congrats!
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
Congrats!
Congrats. We should all expect bonuses, then, yes?
Messing around with the api a bit and I'm starting to see how apps like loadouts move gear around. Gear isn't transferred directly to characters, but instead to the vault. When swapping between characters, the gear goes into the vault first, and then moved to the character you want to hold that gear. This explains errors I'd get when moving armor pieces and materials - I have so much crap.
Cool! What do you do?
Cool! What do you do?
Congrats! Just in time to fix that sink. Funny how life works.
Kor of Memory
Member
I took an idea I mentioned in passing here the other day and threw it to the masses.
Let's see how it goes over:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyThe...ink_weapon_foundries_were_a_good_step_in_the/
This is in regards to my comment about opening up the meta by giving weapon classes unique perks to their class that are on all weapons of said class.
Let's see how it goes over:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyThe...ink_weapon_foundries_were_a_good_step_in_the/
This is in regards to my comment about opening up the meta by giving weapon classes unique perks to their class that are on all weapons of said class.
Question:
I'm toying with the idea of buying a 23" IPS monitor for PS4 gaming. I'm currently playing on a 55" HDTV, but I think the colors and pixel density of the smaller monitor would look great.
Am I crazy?
Was MW2 always this ugly? I remember it being a gorgeous game.
My favorite FPS ever. Had so much damn fun.
I'm toying with the idea of buying a 23" IPS monitor for PS4 gaming. I'm currently playing on a 55" HDTV, but I think the colors and pixel density of the smaller monitor would look great.
Am I crazy?
Damn, do I miss MW 2 so much. What a crazy fun game.
Was MW2 always this ugly? I remember it being a gorgeous game.
My favorite FPS ever. Had so much damn fun.
Congrats LT!
Damn, do I miss MW 2 so much. What a crazy fun game.
Ah, memories. I put so much time into that game.
I would give my money so fast to Activision if they made a remastered version.
I would also throw my money at the screen for a remastered version of SOCOM 1/2. (I feel old now)
JohnOfMars
Banned
Listening to Dan's Q&A after his Mercury Run was really great. There's not really anything revelatory. Dan sounds really excited about Destiny's future, both in general and some specific stuff he'll be working on. It doesn't sound like Vault updates are anything imminent, just a some day thing.
Dan, if you're reading this, I'm totally up for the Vault anytime. That place is magical.
But man, all that talk about his history at Bungie really makes me want to go back and play Halo: Reach. And ODST.
Dan, if you're reading this, I'm totally up for the Vault anytime. That place is magical.
But man, all that talk about his history at Bungie really makes me want to go back and play Halo: Reach. And ODST.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Kor of Memory
Member
I've been playing on my 52" LCD for years now and I can't imagine dropping down in size. I feel like I would miss small things off in the distance, but it depends on how close you play to your TV and if you have a Surround Sound setup.
Doesn't IPS have slower response times? I always thought TN panels were best for games because of the fast response time.
Disclaimer: I do not work for CNET and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Congrats!
Kor of Memory
Member
It kills me when you try to have a conversation about a possible change in a system, and someone immediately finds 1 situation where your "for instance" fails and doesn't even consider the actual topic at hand. They are literally just there to find a way to say no to you, and move on.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Mhm, not even open to discussion. It truly does suck :l
Hopefully Bungie sees your post though, it's a grand idea. I was thinking about it, and hand cannons naturally having LiTC would be awesome for example. Which I mean, would make Hawkmoon irrelevant, but imagine if Hawkmoon got new awesome perks. Like it shot biiiirrds
Radiation sickness will do that to you
Kor of Memory
Member
Is it food poisoning? Bad lettuce I bet...
I haven't eaten lettuce since January since I got food poisoning from it earlier this year. I realize thats stupid, but I can't help it.
The Hand Cannon one makes the most since to me since HCs have such small clip sizes. It seems like the perfect trade off. I like the scout rifle one, too.
Yeah, I would have to play at my computer desk now instead if I got this. I'd have to setup much differently. I could hook it to my surround sound, but I mostly use Sony Gold headset anyways.
TN does have faster response, but the screen quality isn't as nice. The one I'm looking at has 5ms response time. I'm not sure what my HDTV is, but I'm guessing it's not faster than 5ms anyways.
Thanks everybody. I'm an insurance guy.
Future PhaZe
Member
there's just not enough originality with the current weapons--only thing people want with the current meta now is high range and stability weapons with fast TTK
lets get some more originality--weapons that freeze people and shatter them, flame thrower heavies, etc
admittedly, most of this would be stuff for destiny 2, but yea
well done. Good timing. all that commission rolling in before Christmas!
xplicitone
Member
Sounds familiar. "I've been to the lighthouse 3x in one week, I see no change in the matchmaking". "I've gotten great drops so raid loot system is great"
Nose all stuffed up. Head's pounding. Body weak. Temperature is high.
Stupid Fallout. Stupid dog. Stupid rain.
Any who need their avatar Santa-fied, send me a pm. I'll get around to them sometime during the weekend. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going back to bed and post apocalyptic Boston.
Stupid Fallout. Stupid dog. Stupid rain.
Any who need their avatar Santa-fied, send me a pm. I'll get around to them sometime during the weekend. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going back to bed and post apocalyptic Boston.
Kor of Memory
Member
I'm just going to post it here because it's already being down-voted because people are disagreeing with 1 sentence per their anecdotes...
I'd love to have an actual discussion about this:
xplicitone
Member
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes.
I'd delete every game from my ps4 for a Socom 2 remake.
I'd do many things for it. I put more time in that game than destiny on both systems / my 6 characters.
xplicitone
Member
Future PhaZe
Member
I think thats a poor way to improve weapon balance
The problem isn't whats best at mid-range, its whats best period. Well placed pulse shots will still beat auto rifles at close range for instance. Weapons need to always have distinct advantage for their distance classes, but we're not there balance wise atm.
The problem isn't whats best at mid-range, its whats best period. Well placed pulse shots will still beat auto rifles at close range for instance. Weapons need to always have distinct advantage for their distance classes, but we're not there balance wise atm.
It's a horrible screenshot that is low res lol. MW2 was not a bad looking game by any means.
Yes, I would buy a remastered MW2 in a hearbeat. As long as they leave all of the craziness in tact and not try to balance it. What made MW2 so fucking good was that IW had zero fucks given about giving us awesome shit to play with.
I wish more developers took that route. Unfortunately, these days everyone is obsessed about balance.
Future PhaZe
Member
300 paleocontact is your reward for that abuse
Kor of Memory
Member
I think the problem is Bungie is trying to fit each primary weapon type into a specific range category. Like if range was a scale of 1-100, Bungie wants the following:
- ARs - 1-35
- HCs - 20-55
- PRs - 45-80
- SRs - 65-100
So there is supposed to be some overlap, but the general idea is ARs are close range, Scouts are distance, etc...
The problem is, and was, that Bungie was terrible at balancing this. When Destiny first launched, ARs reach from 1-75, especially with SUROS. ARs had the best spread of versatility. Eventually they would get nerfed and HCs would replace them, and then pulse rifles.
My point was there isn't enough diversity in the weapon classes themselves to sway people into using one over the other. Players are just going to use whatever weapon class is the most dominant at the time.
Introducing staple perks will help break that up. Or so I believe.
xplicitone
Member
Well technically, if many things are awesome and you had many viable weapons, that is "balanced". The problem lies when there are very few awesome weapons.
VE3TRO
Formerly Gizmowned
That was a pain but with Zhalo it made it real fun. Hung Jury with Spindle was destroying the bosses as well.
Try some coldeze, I just got the stuff this week and I think it's working. Wasn't expensive either.
I think Bungie should do it like MW2 where everything is just good. Then we will see true diversity. In fact, MW2 allowed for some crazy successful loadouts!
Yep, and that's my favorite balance
Kor of Memory
Member
I never played it, so I don't know that system.
I will say I'm weary of having too many "Powerful" weapons, as that just leads to smaller TTKs and I don't care for what that turns games into.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Honestly, they should have only a few weapon archetypes for each class(Excluding exotics) and get rid of the whole 'base stats' stuff.
IE
Assault Rifle that fires slow but kills in a few bullets
Assault Rifle that fires fast but kills in a lot more bullets
Assault Rifle that fires medium but kills in between a few and more bullets
Practically the same thing as it is now, but different approach to presentation. Obviously perks can modify it in different ways, and manufacturer specific perks can change it(They should lean more towards that to make different ARs within the same archetype feel different, IE a Hakke bullet hose will feel different than a Vanguard Bullet Hose).
Obviously they kinda have that now, but they need to double down on it. I don't care about reload time, and things like Stability obviously people are going to aim for that and range when it comes to Auto Rifles(And Impact here and there), but it does the game little favor to show you a specific stat, and then have non-specific perks like Range finder that don't show you how much of a stat difference is.
I also don't know if it's a glitch or if different bullet types actually do anything. Too many a time I change from Linear Compensator to Soft Ballistics and the stats don't change.
Make perks more meaningful. Right now people will try to get the highest bars for the gun, IE stability for PRs or Range/Impact for Autorifles, it kinda becomes a 'numbers put a curse on you' situation where weapons with lower base stats with no perks that increase those thresholds are coined useless.
I dunno, that's just me. I just want perks to be more meaningful then they are now, and as such true variety can begin to be seen. Like I've mentioned in the past, the class specific legendary weapons are a start in the right direction.
tl;dr focus less on the stats of a weapon, more on the perk variety/differences between the guns
irrotational
Member
I think it's too many weapon classes and not enough distance....unless they hard-code dead stops in damage at each of the points you reference above...i.e. a hand cannon does literally no damage between 0 and 20.
I don't really understand why they want the classes to primarily vary by distance. People are just not going to switch primaries every 20 seconds as the enemy moves from say 75 to 50...and then again to 25....especially in PvP.
Fixed perks is a good idea IMHO.
Psychologically speaking, a player would rather feel more powerful than weaker. Instead of everyone using pulse rifles like they do now, we can people using whatever they want.
Kor of Memory
Member
I'd be perfectly fine with this, as well. I hate the idea of weapon class archetypes. It feels like another layer of RNG, even though it's not.
Like, if I get a Primary weapon engram, I have to hope it's not only an AR, but a AR that fits the archetype I like, and then has the right perks.
I'd love to see No-Impact ARs phased out and replaced by Sub-Machine Guns or some other weapon class type in the future
Basically you want the guns to be different. Right now everything boils down to TTK with weapons at some range variant. All Bungie has done is tweak those two things, so let's try something else. It's a good idea, but I don't think it'd be enough to push people to a weapon class. It'd be very hard to come up with a perk for each weapon type and not end up with one weapon class that is OP again.
I think the opposite should happen. Your class should determine what type of loadout you play with. Gunslingers should be better with Hand Cannons, give them a faster reload node, a LitC node, and make them choose what additional Hand Cannon perks they want. Have one tree be reload speed, rate of fire, and magazine size perks. Blade Dancers are better with snipers. Nightstalkers are better with Fusion Rifles, etc.
Make Defender Titans the defacto Shotgun class. Want to run around with a Shotgun? OK you'll probably have to live with the fact that you won't have an offensive super. Give these guys the option to chose between Automatic, Final Round, and Rangefinder in one node tree. See here I'm going? It's a lot like Borderlands 2. My Lawbringer was totally focused on increasing reload speed for Pistols, ammo capacity, rate of fire, and specials that do more damage with pistols.
Sounds half assed now that I read it again, but there's a better way to tie classes into the weapons than they have right now. They've tried that to some extent, a Shotgun that doesn't use ammo inside of Ward of Dawn. But what if that was a global perk to Defenders if one so chooses? Diablo takes the same approach, the weapons play into the class perks. You end up with a lot more variation in build types.
TL;DR A better synergy between Character Classes and Weapon Classes is needed to make more viable builds and load out options. Take some hints from Borderlands 2 and Diablo III.
Kor of Memory
Member
Yeah, but making weapons more powerful reduces the strength of the class abilities. Having too strong of weapons means supers, grenades, and melees become a lot weaker by comparison.
Unless you want to buff those, too.
I like most of this. But the main point your'e making is synergy, and dear god yes please can we have more of that? That would be great...
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Class Synergy is a huge part.
Way back when, I always thought certain weapons would be tied to certain classes, IE Titans would be a Revolver/HMG/Shotgun class, main theme being 'Power'. And then they'd have skills relating to them wanting to pick those weapons up. Adding an extra tree to each subclass that affects that, IE Titans get an option to get double magazine and faster RoF for HMGs.
If each class had a weapon skill choice, then it'd naturally help with the variety of the weapons and how you look at weapons. Maybe you want to specialize in HMGs or Shotguns with a Titan, you have to pick between one of those and then you take that into consideration when selecting loadout.
Way back when, I always thought certain weapons would be tied to certain classes, IE Titans would be a Revolver/HMG/Shotgun class, main theme being 'Power'. And then they'd have skills relating to them wanting to pick those weapons up. Adding an extra tree to each subclass that affects that, IE Titans get an option to get double magazine and faster RoF for HMGs.
If each class had a weapon skill choice, then it'd naturally help with the variety of the weapons and how you look at weapons. Maybe you want to specialize in HMGs or Shotguns with a Titan, you have to pick between one of those and then you take that into consideration when selecting loadout.
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
I also perfer a smaller monitor compare to a 40+ inch HDTV. And mw2 was awesome! Spent a lot of time playing it.