BreezyLimbo
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The thing is when you fire a bullet, it rounds up. Unless I'm wrong, the game isn't going to go 'Oh you fired 25 bullets, time to do 1 more damage.'
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The thing is when you fire a bullet, it rounds up. Unless I'm wrong, the game isn't going to go 'Oh you fired 25 bullets, time to do 1 more damage.'
Can you also tell me about Auto Rifles? If so:
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It only rounds up for display, which was an interesting revelation. So hypothetically there will be a difference in damage output. But he's also trying to tell us that to feel the difference we have to connect a precision shot on every round in the clip. That's just not a realistic expectation in PvP to actually change the balance.
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It's on the white board.
Kor of Memory
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From what I gathered, the game actually takes decimal damage into consideration, but the UI rounds up to show us nice clean numbers.
So if you shot a bullet that was doing 10.1 damage every shot, you'd see 10 pop up 10 times, but on the 10th shot, you'd have actually doe 101 damage.
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JohnOfMars
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Post on Reddit nailed it:
"Tl;dr: Everything is working as intended. You just can't see it on your end."
"Tl;dr: Everything is working as intended. You just can't see it on your end."
Honestly, this was better than I expected. Urk did a good job w/ his portion of the update.
But,
Jon Weisnewski's explanation, while better than I'd hoped for, doesn't make a lot of sense. Everything he said is probably true, but why not actually address WHY the disparity in the numbers was so incredibly VAST. Based on his explanation, the 3,7, & 4% base damage increases for the different auto-rifle archetypes were what were in the works at that time. Why not tell us a bit of WHY you guys decided to slam on the brakes on the buff? 4% and .04 is a HUGE difference when you're talking about DPS.
But,
Jon Weisnewski's explanation, while better than I'd hoped for, doesn't make a lot of sense. Everything he said is probably true, but why not actually address WHY the disparity in the numbers was so incredibly VAST. Based on his explanation, the 3,7, & 4% base damage increases for the different auto-rifle archetypes were what were in the works at that time. Why not tell us a bit of WHY you guys decided to slam on the brakes on the buff? 4% and .04 is a HUGE difference when you're talking about DPS.
xplicitone
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LOL
PvP hasn't changed much on our end but it did on theirs. That doesn't even make sense.
I knew the update sounded too good to be true.
Agreed he could have elaborated further but I can see that they would be hesitant to nerf PRs and buff ARs significantly at the same time. That could just flip the problem and now everyone is running around with a Suros.
The lack of communicating that information to us while they are testing and playing in the sandbox is the larger issue here and hopefully they've learned.
They simply could have come out and told us they were bringing PRs down a bit to reduce TTK and that they are going to try and bring Auto Rifles back up a bit but want to do it gradually to not create another problem. If that's all they said this whole thing would have been avoided. Or they can spill the beans and communicate everything. By telling us one thing, ignoring it for 3 weeks, and then doing something different they hosed themselves. Either go all in or speak in general terms.
BreezyLimbo
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So for PvE, there's probably a miniscule, tiny, .04% of a slight difference.
For PvP, it's literally nothing.
plantedunicorn
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I don't really care about the percentage and the numbers of the patch. All I know is Auto Rifles were not good before the patch and they're still in exact the same spot after the patch. Can they do something about that? I don't really care what theoretical numbers or input or output numbers they give. I just want to use my Suros in PVE.
Can they do something about that or are they working as intended?
Can they do something about that or are they working as intended?
Seriously, I'll take The Dark Below 2: Darker and Lower / Crota's Revenge / Electric Boogaloo / DARKNESS NO PARENTS / Here's the content you all been asking for.
These events aren't doing it for me.
These events aren't doing it for me.
Vault-Tec just called. Said our new fallout shelter is ready. Our new fallout shelter is bigger and better. Has the indoor pool you requested.
18.7551% less damage after emptying a clip (assuming you have no mods that affect clip size)
26.793% less damage after emptying a clip (assuming you have no mods that affect clip size of 30, 27 clip would be 24.1137%)
Note that the difference changes for PvP kills, the dps decrease is less drastic. Assuming you shoot off two bursts of 3 bullets, your effective dps with nirwens would be 5.3586% less
They doubled down on their current state.
Darryl M R
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Yup with challenge mode and SRL dropping 320 items the light level will be increased.
Is really that hard to put out accurate information about weapon changes prior to an update?
I think every weapon update has rarely followed the article speaking of the changes.
As previously mentioned, Mytho was one of the first, claiming a 34% damage reduction that in reality was 50%
Or prior to Taken King, the 2.0 balance initially said shotguns would receive a 10% reduction in PVE, but it turned out to be 45%.
I just want them to actually do what they say they are going to do for once.
I think every weapon update has rarely followed the article speaking of the changes.
As previously mentioned, Mytho was one of the first, claiming a 34% damage reduction that in reality was 50%
Or prior to Taken King, the 2.0 balance initially said shotguns would receive a 10% reduction in PVE, but it turned out to be 45%.
I just want them to actually do what they say they are going to do for once.
JohnOfMars
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So for auto rifles, for every 1,000,000 damage I do, I now do an extra 400. Wow. Such damage. Much pew.
Would you mind to share the math behind the #s?
BreezyLimbo
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I can't wait for them to level up Oryx's light so we can do him all over again for 330 gear. Those 10 points will be worth an update!
Dividing/multiplying the % given with the magazines of the guns. That's how he got the 2.16% damage increase for Necrochasm, atleast.
Not at all, might take me a minute to write it up
Muh Grasp of Maloook?
Awesome. Thanks man.
Kor of Memory
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Sentinalprimus
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TIL that if I ever race DeeJ in the SRL, that I'm going to make sure I'm not stuck neck-and-neck with that cheating bastard!
I'm also looking at you Slammin >.>
Vicious!
Also thanks for the Nightfall guys, shame about the rewards though.
BreezyLimbo
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Kor of Memory
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So Pulse's were nerfed, ARs still suck, and Hand Cannons haven't recovered...
So.....
Scout Rifle meta?
So.....
Scout Rifle meta?
JohnOfMars
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Decimals are hard, man. Ask Bungie.
Stephen_drewz
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Sigh... I want to keep playing your game Bungie but far out...what a cop out.
Grasp of Malok meta...happy grinding for one.
Haha basically. If the 0.04% base damage mapped directly to output damage then yes. It likely doesn't, but they won't tell us what it does map to.
Me reading this week's BWU
Yup, couldn't agree more. Regardless of whatever his actual job title is right now, they desperately need urk (or someone else) to be doing the BWU at this point, even though I wasn't thrilled with the specifics/news of his part of the BWU this week it at least was well-written, made sense, and wasn't condescending. Honestly just uninstalled the game, the more event-type stuff that it sounds like is mostly what's in the 2016 pipeline doesn't really appeal to me at all, and they still haven't addressed a lot of the endgame issues I have. Extremely disappointing. Wish everyone the best, if they make significant changes/additions or next expansion I will be back for sure, but I'm just not enjoying the game that much at this point and deej's attitude and updates are honestly infuriating. As a minor aside I can't believe they haven't fixed the Firefly crash bug -_-.
Also is it true that Nightfalls can drop paid emotes now? Haven't bothered doing one in forever. That seems crazy if true.
Yup, couldn't agree more. Regardless of whatever his actual job title is right now, they desperately need urk (or someone else) to be doing the BWU at this point, even though I wasn't thrilled with the specifics/news of his part of the BWU this week it at least was well-written, made sense, and wasn't condescending. Honestly just uninstalled the game, the more event-type stuff that it sounds like is mostly what's in the 2016 pipeline doesn't really appeal to me at all, and they still haven't addressed a lot of the endgame issues I have. Extremely disappointing. Wish everyone the best, if they make significant changes/additions or next expansion I will be back for sure, but I'm just not enjoying the game that much at this point and deej's attitude and updates are honestly infuriating. As a minor aside I can't believe they haven't fixed the Firefly crash bug -_-.
Also is it true that Nightfalls can drop paid emotes now? Haven't bothered doing one in forever. That seems crazy if true.
mehrmantrout
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Nothing feels good/op which is probably good overall but the fun factor isn't there
Sentinalprimus
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Great rewards as always
These will be the first Three of Coins I have had except for the very first week, which is nice I guess.Well, they did just add Omnigul to the strike playlist lol
Perfect reaction gif! You get the laughing out loud trophy of the day. You've beaten the weird back and forth sound we heard during SRL boosting. Man, I'm still laughing while I type this, holy mother...
If/when omnigul is the NF, then people are gonna do that hallway omnigul grind for a god roll grasp IMO.
HundredEyeMonk
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I don't know about the HC part. I'm seeing a ton of TLW being played with successfully. It absolutely feels 100% different to me when ADSing.
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Make sure to watch the gif while the music plays. It's powerful.
FTFY
Make sure to watch the gif while the music plays. It's powerful.
FTFY
Kor of Memory
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The weaker the weapons get, the stronger things like grenades and melee are going to seem/become.
Holy crap, imagine if Grenade became the new Meta...
Zoso Achilles
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Yeah so the problem here is we don't have access to base damage. That means nothing to us. We see the output, not the input. So, you guys predicting damage or dps based on the stated percentage changes will always be wrong. The percentage change in damage output (what we see) will always be different than the percentage change in base damage (input, what we don't ever see).
There is where the communication issue arises. We need to be informed of changes in terms of damage output in a few typical cases (like pvp with no range penalty, and pve at same level with no range penalty, etc.) Some base state must be established to communicate changes to us, such that it can be easily tested and verified by us.
That said, yeah, a .04% increase still does next to nothing. But that may be the point. Autos got a very slight change while shotties and pulses were brought down, meaning pulses should be less of an obvious choice for everything.
Fusion rifles were still broken again. Someone at bungie is actively sabotaging fusion rifles.
There is where the communication issue arises. We need to be informed of changes in terms of damage output in a few typical cases (like pvp with no range penalty, and pve at same level with no range penalty, etc.) Some base state must be established to communicate changes to us, such that it can be easily tested and verified by us.
That said, yeah, a .04% increase still does next to nothing. But that may be the point. Autos got a very slight change while shotties and pulses were brought down, meaning pulses should be less of an obvious choice for everything.
Fusion rifles were still broken again. Someone at bungie is actively sabotaging fusion rifles.
Obfuscation Symposium held in Feb 2014, just enough time for Bungie to get some sweet, sweet tips:
The Symposium on Obfuscation will bring together experts from a variety of backgrounds who study, script and design technologies that either simulate, detect, or are susceptible to obfuscation. By obfuscation we mean the production of misleading, ambiguous and plausible but confusing information as an act of concealment or evasion. In the course of the day, we will critically explore and assess the use of obfuscation as a strategy for individuals, groups or communities to hide; to protect themselves; to protest or enact civil disobedience, especially in the context of monitoring, aggregated analysis, and profiling in (digital) space.
I'm going to assume Deej was in attendance.
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The Symposium on Obfuscation will bring together experts from a variety of backgrounds who study, script and design technologies that either simulate, detect, or are susceptible to obfuscation. By obfuscation we mean the production of misleading, ambiguous and plausible but confusing information as an act of concealment or evasion. In the course of the day, we will critically explore and assess the use of obfuscation as a strategy for individuals, groups or communities to hide; to protect themselves; to protest or enact civil disobedience, especially in the context of monitoring, aggregated analysis, and profiling in (digital) space.
I'm going to assume Deej was in attendance.
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