So do you guys still think the doctrine/Arminius archetype was destroyed? I only used it for a week before the latest nerf, and it still felt alright to me last night. It is harder to control at range, but nothing too crazy. I'm not sure if it can compete with a grasp. But my only experience versus that was against nKuch, and he would destroy me with any gun.
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Destiny |OT41| Don't Worry, Leave Happy
- Thread starter DrDrizzay101
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MagnetoWasRight
Member
Would need to be ORES scope to be the commonly accepted God roll (unless you're Ape.)
Wife is being a b today, but fuck it sign me up. At least this way if she kills me, there will be 5 witnesses
Boom! We'll make sure to pop a blessings of light before she comes in
Rusty Raiders - Round 2 - "A little less rusty"
When: Tonight @ 10:30 PM EST
What: HM KF Raid w/ Challenge
1. sajj316
2. Dez_
3. desgrafx
4. rayuma
5. ch4fx_
6. SpecX
team is full and ready to go. If ch4fx_ is stuck at work, I'll look for a 6th man (or woman)
BMO = GOAT
Member
I thought the OAS scope was the better scope for grasp?
TheAquaticApe
Member
ORS is the best scope and the scope that Kadey and Weteha's God Rolls have. It gives you the maximum range with no penalty to other stats. OES is the second best scope you can get, but you loose an additional 4 range.
Psychoward
Banned
http://imgur.com/C1TcWcJ
Infusing a different legendary helm with thsee stats as soon as I get the marks/rep for one. I feel gross for even wearing it.
Infusing a different legendary helm with thsee stats as soon as I get the marks/rep for one. I feel gross for even wearing it.
BMO = GOAT
Member
Alright posting my rolls on grasp to see which is better.
OAS
Headseeker
Injection Mold
Last resort
ORS
Counterbalance
Braced frame
Last resort
ORES
Counterbalance
Fitter stock
Glass halfull
So which is the best in order?
OAS
Headseeker
Injection Mold
Last resort
ORS
Counterbalance
Braced frame
Last resort
ORES
Counterbalance
Fitter stock
Glass halfull
So which is the best in order?
TheAquaticApe
Member
This. Shard the other two.
elguerosinfe
Member
Are the Grasps that are droppng from the NF guaranteed to be 335?
BMO = GOAT
Member
Alright, thanks!
Psychoward
Banned
Where's the best place to farm Taken champions on Mars? Finished Venus and Earth but can't find a popular place for Mars
No. However .. with GRASP farming, I was getting either 334 or 335
optimus8936
Banned
The quest info should tell you the areas that taken spawn in if you haven't seen that yet. If you have, I found that they spawn in the Scablands a lot. It's the area to the right of where you spawn in patrol.
elguerosinfe
Member
I like the spot right where patrol starts. The taken lieuntenants will spawn down where the Cabal - Vex battle is happening; the Champion will often spawn up the hill where the patrol starts. Often other people there.
Robot Carnival
Member
any room for a 320 Warlock in NF?
PSN: Beholder-Y
PSN: Beholder-Y
Kalamari
Member
Depends on what your current level is
darkistheway
Member
I am hoping to finish up my Year Two Triumphs with an Oryx HM challenge mode kill.
Anyone else interested.
1. darkistheway
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If anyone has an Oryx checkpoint, that would help out immensely
reposting to see if any interested parties around.
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Do you want to go at it as sunbros?
#sunlight 4 life
If you're 334 or 335 they will drop at 334 or 335.
NeOak
Member
I got one with ORS1, CB, Fitted Stock and Third Eye.
Robot Carnival
Member
sure, I'm down
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Ok i should be able to gon in a little while, ill be rusty with the overwatch time i put in.
Robot Carnival
Member
no worry, I kind suck also lol
Mass Appeal
Member
Can't comment on Arminus since I didn't try it but tried my CB Doctorine and didn't notice too much of a difference. The kick is a little bit more to control but I was even picking off guys from distance. It's still a beast up close to medium range.
No.
This community makes huge deals about the smallest of nerfs and claims the sky is falling.
The Doctrine archetype was clearly broken. It was head and shoulders above the rest.
Even in it's toned downed state it's still the best, just a little less bullshit.
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Anyone else want to get on in this sunbro NF?
Damage at mid range went from about 16 to 11 for crits. It's dead. And it wasn't bullshit before. It took a skilled hand to handle the recoil at range and get those "bullshit" kills.
Try using it against a good HC, Grasp, or even MIDA now--good luck. Reddit complained, got it nerfed, and now we have one less viable primary option, period.
optimus8936
Banned
Plus, the doctrine archetype was only good if you had a perfect roll, so you didn't see too many of them floating around. Even before the nerf, there were still a few weapons that could compete with it. Now, those few weapons will just destroy it, like hawksaw or Mida.
Agent_Tiro
Member
The doctrine was good regardless of roll. It's just counter balance was amazing
It was capable of killing faster than any weapon in close, mid, and even far range it would beat out MIDA.
It doesn't take a skilled handle to control when the recoil with Counter Balance is non-existent.
I used my Soulstealer's Claw yesterday and had no issues with it being competitive.
This is the kind of talk I'm referring to where people get it in their heads and put out the narrative that a gun is useless unless it's not God-tier or broken good.
Please tell me a better AR than the Doctrine archetype currently.
lol, wut?
Counterbalance was one of the only 4 rolls the gun could get and even without it, it was still the best.
optimus8936
Banned
I should rephrase what I said. It was only God like with the perfect roll, with the other rolls it was good, but a lot harder to control.
Edit: just because the doctrine archetype is the best AR, doesn't mean other weapons can't beat it.
Without an accuracy perk, that archetype is hard to control. All they had to do was remove CB or persistence from doctrine and it probably would've been fine.
Edit: just because the doctrine archetype is the best AR, doesn't mean other weapons can't beat it.
Without an accuracy perk, that archetype is hard to control. All they had to do was remove CB or persistence from doctrine and it probably would've been fine.
TheTylerDurden
Member
How do I go about finding out the aim assist values of scopes? When I look at all of my grasps, in destiny item manager, the aim assist values are based on...what? which scope does that figure take into account?
I don't want to have to level a few of them up to see which really has the better AA.
I don't want to have to level a few of them up to see which really has the better AA.
Did they stealth patch the damage fall off? I can't say I ever noticed 16 at mid-range. Maybe my definition of mid-range is different, but I was seeing 13 damage from the same distances I think I used to see 14.
onimushroom
Member
Two days of intermittent farming: 17 bonds and 14 grasps.
I wish I could solo it.
I wish I could solo it.
You're useless ... but so am I
I think we'll have opportunities to try holding gaze, brand, relic, etc. It's no pressure and an opportunity to get better.
NeOak
Member
You're useless ... but so am I
I think we'll have opportunities to try holding gaze, brand, relic, etc. It's no pressure and an opportunity to get better.
You can't hold gaze nor run the relic?
RIP challenge modes.
Golguie CM: Everyone holds gaze.
Daughters: Brand is RNG, so you may get stuck with it. One of the two or three times.
Shooting things doesn't count in as an "ability" in KFHM. Everyone must know what they are doing. So be prepared to learn.
Good luck!
Agent_Tiro
Member
Holding gaze and running relic are probably the easiest parts in those encounters. Hardly anything has a chance to kill you.
TheTylerDurden
Member
Awesome, thanks!
So looking at my grasps, I have one that has:
-truesight IS (+5 stability, +5 aim assist, +8 reload, +8 handling)
-counterbalance
- perfect balance
- third eye
Short of getting a red dot sight that has slightly better stability stats, this seems as close as I am going to get to a god roll.
Stability on DIM shows up as 59, AA at 82
Psychoward
Banned
Vanguard heroic strikes with randos, yay or nay
The answer is nay
The answer is nay
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Yeah so I'm done with NF now. Maybe gonna do some Court of oryx.
Kalamari
Member
Hey, wanna farm grasps?
Agent_Tiro
Member
As long as you are prepared for people to leave occasionally. I've found that once I get 2 teammates who stick around I can normally get a good run of strikes from them.
As always it's best to play with gaffers
NeOak
Member
Psychoward
Banned
Yeah I just tried and it went miserably, oh well I'll stick to gaffers.
NeOak
Member
We've all done it before but it's been awhile ... and got to Oryx last week
Brand - patience and watching your counters
Gaze - Shoot purple ball things
Relic - Mario platform jumping .. don't fall