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Destiny |OT41| Don't Worry, Leave Happy
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Just caught up. That stream existed solely as a means to get word about the Gjallarsparrow out there.
The reveals of the updated spaces equated to re-skinned enemies with slightly skewed abilities and a snow particle effect. I want to see the plague lands and the new pvp modes or don't bother at this point.
I'm growing to hate the change in tone that the wacky, zany emotes and corresponding corny trailers do to the base game.
I want more of the Oryx grimoire story's level of tone in that game world. It's become the Eververse play doh fun factory tonally.
The reveals of the updated spaces equated to re-skinned enemies with slightly skewed abilities and a snow particle effect. I want to see the plague lands and the new pvp modes or don't bother at this point.
I'm growing to hate the change in tone that the wacky, zany emotes and corresponding corny trailers do to the base game.
I want more of the Oryx grimoire story's level of tone in that game world. It's become the Eververse play doh fun factory tonally.
JohnOfMars
Banned
As brutally disappointing, even embarrasing, as today's stream was, I already had written up a post about learning to shotgun in trials, so here it is:
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Shotgunning is all about Movement
So Ive always enjoyed sniping in Halo and Destiny and so when I ventured into Trials, it seemed a safe bet. But if youre sniping with two teammates who are much better snipers than you, its really hard to contribute. If you had a weapon in your load-out that wasnt getting you kills, then it makes sense to find something that will. Which is why two recent times Ive played Trials, Ive shotgunned. Shotgunning is great in Trials because Trials is a mode about orb control and nothing controls orbs better than being on top of them with a shotgun.
I talked a bit with one of my other Trials teammates who does shotgun and he said that shotgunning these days is paradoxically mostly about primaries. Especially, dont think youre going to get kills from your shotgun as a first kill of the round. Murdaro doesnt even do that; instead pushing with primaries and grenades and then cleaning up with shotguns. I talked at length about Primaries in another post, so I want to focus on the main way that shotgunning differs from sniping: movement.
When sniping, you dont have to move around much. Move, post-up, maybe do that once or twice. You can flank in that you can watch a different lane than your teammates, but youre still likely farther back. Shotgunning is about taking the fight to your enemy.
Your map position isnt about you
Shotgunning in Trials is also quite different than Rumble where you can push or retreat however you like. In Trials, its crucial to move in a way that supports your team. For example, if you over-extend and die, your orb is likely impossible to rez.
Its a good idea to never be more than 1-1.5 seconds away from your nearest teammate (presence or at least sight of) for this reason (Next time youre playing, count out the seconds it takes for you to move around the map. Youd be surprised how big a space 1-2 seconds is.). Being too far away is a problem in case you are walking into a 1v2 or 1v3, sure, but its also a problem in that you cant support your teammates. This can manifest defensively (if your teammates are getting pushed and need your help) or offensively (they get a pick and need to converge on an orb). Lets say my teammates got that pick at special on Pantheon, but I was pushing through Waterfall hallway. I might be slow to get to the orb, or I might be unable to even get to the orb because the enemies are between me and the orb.
Encountering the enemy or quite probably, enemies
Trials is obviously a small team mode, which means there are only 3 combinations of enemies you will see: 1, 2 or 3. Changes made to the Crucible in Year 2 have been a deliberate effort to make it so that winning encounters against multiple enemies is more difficult, so its important to not bite off more than you can choose. Heres my take on those 3 combinations:
In each case, communicate what you see to your team. Since you are in many cases going to be outnumbered, dont commit in stupid ways. And use your radar presence to distract the enemy team. In this sense, your job as a shotgunner is to be a scout and/or support, which is exactly my play style.
Moving Cover to Cover: thinking one step ahead
One of the first things that I learned when I wanted to git gud at Crucible was that you shouldnt just run around in the open. You should always move from cover to cover. Trials is the most intense way to test that because youre going up against top-tier snipers who are covering every lane and every angle. But not every bit of cover is equal, even if it is blocking the enemys sight-lines.
A practical example: I when I was playing Pantheon and I wanted to flank along the Waterfall hallway, so I pushed through to the pillar in the middle of the hallway (pink line). But notice that I have no options for my next movement. And worse, I have no room to breathe. I got grenaded and killed almost instantly even though I was in cover. So I had to learn to move thinking not of the move I was making, but where could I go afterward. Is there more cover I can use to advance ahead? What if I need to retreat, can I do that, etc.
The other thing you may be asking is if a sniper is watching that hallway, why even push at all? Simple. Trials is a game about map control and aggression is heavily favored. Its a topic I want to explore in more detail, but for now, controlling more of the map limits the enemy. You control the map by getting there first. That and a lot of weaker teams cant handle a hard push and fold. Also Juggernaut lets me tank a sniper round and make pushes no one else can.
Wrapping up
Movement and flow is so different when youre a shotgunner. Its way more dynamic and I can see why shotgunners like it. Its a high-wire act, though, because you are really putting yourself out there against snipers and often being outnumbered. Ive joked with my shotgun teammates that they could play hudless, because you dont even need to aim, but I honestly think effective shotgunning is way harder than sniping. But the rewards are some great team play and closing out rounds strong. Ive really been enjoying it even if Im still learning. The lessons its taught me have been important for my continued development, because they are universal.
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Shotgunning is all about Movement
So Ive always enjoyed sniping in Halo and Destiny and so when I ventured into Trials, it seemed a safe bet. But if youre sniping with two teammates who are much better snipers than you, its really hard to contribute. If you had a weapon in your load-out that wasnt getting you kills, then it makes sense to find something that will. Which is why two recent times Ive played Trials, Ive shotgunned. Shotgunning is great in Trials because Trials is a mode about orb control and nothing controls orbs better than being on top of them with a shotgun.
I talked a bit with one of my other Trials teammates who does shotgun and he said that shotgunning these days is paradoxically mostly about primaries. Especially, dont think youre going to get kills from your shotgun as a first kill of the round. Murdaro doesnt even do that; instead pushing with primaries and grenades and then cleaning up with shotguns. I talked at length about Primaries in another post, so I want to focus on the main way that shotgunning differs from sniping: movement.
When sniping, you dont have to move around much. Move, post-up, maybe do that once or twice. You can flank in that you can watch a different lane than your teammates, but youre still likely farther back. Shotgunning is about taking the fight to your enemy.
Your map position isnt about you
Shotgunning in Trials is also quite different than Rumble where you can push or retreat however you like. In Trials, its crucial to move in a way that supports your team. For example, if you over-extend and die, your orb is likely impossible to rez.
Its a good idea to never be more than 1-1.5 seconds away from your nearest teammate (presence or at least sight of) for this reason (Next time youre playing, count out the seconds it takes for you to move around the map. Youd be surprised how big a space 1-2 seconds is.). Being too far away is a problem in case you are walking into a 1v2 or 1v3, sure, but its also a problem in that you cant support your teammates. This can manifest defensively (if your teammates are getting pushed and need your help) or offensively (they get a pick and need to converge on an orb). Lets say my teammates got that pick at special on Pantheon, but I was pushing through Waterfall hallway. I might be slow to get to the orb, or I might be unable to even get to the orb because the enemies are between me and the orb.
Encountering the enemy or quite probably, enemies
Trials is obviously a small team mode, which means there are only 3 combinations of enemies you will see: 1, 2 or 3. Changes made to the Crucible in Year 2 have been a deliberate effort to make it so that winning encounters against multiple enemies is more difficult, so its important to not bite off more than you can choose. Heres my take on those 3 combinations:
- If you see 1 person: A 1v1, especially if you can get first shot is a great opportunity to get a kill. Call for reinforcements even if you think youve got it.
- If you see 2 people: Great. Let your team know that theres an enemy somewhere out there thats alone.
- If you see 3 people: Great. Now you know where they all are. Let your team know that they can now take full control of the map.
In each case, communicate what you see to your team. Since you are in many cases going to be outnumbered, dont commit in stupid ways. And use your radar presence to distract the enemy team. In this sense, your job as a shotgunner is to be a scout and/or support, which is exactly my play style.
Moving Cover to Cover: thinking one step ahead
One of the first things that I learned when I wanted to git gud at Crucible was that you shouldnt just run around in the open. You should always move from cover to cover. Trials is the most intense way to test that because youre going up against top-tier snipers who are covering every lane and every angle. But not every bit of cover is equal, even if it is blocking the enemys sight-lines.
A practical example: I when I was playing Pantheon and I wanted to flank along the Waterfall hallway, so I pushed through to the pillar in the middle of the hallway (pink line). But notice that I have no options for my next movement. And worse, I have no room to breathe. I got grenaded and killed almost instantly even though I was in cover. So I had to learn to move thinking not of the move I was making, but where could I go afterward. Is there more cover I can use to advance ahead? What if I need to retreat, can I do that, etc.
The other thing you may be asking is if a sniper is watching that hallway, why even push at all? Simple. Trials is a game about map control and aggression is heavily favored. Its a topic I want to explore in more detail, but for now, controlling more of the map limits the enemy. You control the map by getting there first. That and a lot of weaker teams cant handle a hard push and fold. Also Juggernaut lets me tank a sniper round and make pushes no one else can.
Wrapping up
Movement and flow is so different when youre a shotgunner. Its way more dynamic and I can see why shotgunners like it. Its a high-wire act, though, because you are really putting yourself out there against snipers and often being outnumbered. Ive joked with my shotgun teammates that they could play hudless, because you dont even need to aim, but I honestly think effective shotgunning is way harder than sniping. But the rewards are some great team play and closing out rounds strong. Ive really been enjoying it even if Im still learning. The lessons its taught me have been important for my continued development, because they are universal.
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DrDrizzay101
Member
Updated for new page:
Would everyone here be able to start at 3 pm EST Sunday?
1 spot open for flawless Crota's End.
1.) Drizzay
2.) PSN:TheNegativeDude/SlimySnake
3.) LifEndz
4.) Azolith
5.) juanbumo
6.)
?
Yep, got everybody here!
@juan: I do indeed still have you on the FR. How could I forget killing Skolas with you and none other than Trials partner extraordinaire Igor
Dennis? This scoreboard shows what a great encounter Skolas was, considering your two K/D's aren't great but our clear time is excellent. You could die so much and keep clutching it out to still kill him. So much fun.
Would everyone here be able to start at 3 pm EST Sunday?
1 spot open for flawless Crota's End.
1.) Drizzay
2.) PSN:TheNegativeDude/SlimySnake
3.) LifEndz
4.) Azolith
5.) juanbumo
6.)
Yep, got everybody here!
@juan: I do indeed still have you on the FR. How could I forget killing Skolas with you and none other than Trials partner extraordinaire Igor
single digit PvE K/D
Agent_Tiro
Member
Just won my 50th rumble match and seriously. SBMM must have been turned off. I didn't have to play aggressive, it was so easy to bait people into running around a corner into my shotgun. I was out shooting people who got the drop on me. Winning 2v1 and all sorts of craziness. There were also 3 guardians who weren't level 40. One of them went 0-14! When I checked guardian.gg no one in the lobby had an ELO. But games I did before and after do.
A seal is good enough to run a flawless raid? I need to step my game up.Updated for new page:
Would everyone here be able to start at 3 pm EST Sunday?
1 spot open for flawless Crota's End.
1.) Drizzay
2.) PSN:TheNegativeDude/SlimySnake
3.) LifEndz
4.) Azolith
5.) juanbumo
6.)?
Yep, got everybody here!
@juan: I do indeed still have you on the FR. How could I forget killing Skolas with you and none other than Trials partner extraordinaire IgorDennis? This scoreboard shows what a great encounter Skolas was, considering your two K/D's aren't great but our clear time is excellent. You could die so much and keep clutching it out to still kill him. So much fun.single digit PvE K/D
LifEndz
Member
Updated for new page:
Would everyone here be able to start at 3 pm EST Sunday?
1 spot open for flawless Crota's End.
1.) Drizzay
2.) PSN:TheNegativeDude/SlimySnake
3.) LifEndz
4.) Azolith
5.) juanbumo
6.)?
That works for me, Drizz. I'll set a reminder on my phone right now.
NeOak
Member
6.)?
I could help if you need a warm body.
Unless I am running an IB train at that time D:
1 hour warning call for guardians doing flawless.
Reluctant-Hero
Member
I'm ready. Any load out tips for a Titan? Should I dust off my Ghallhorn?
Feel free to bring it. I think bubble Titan is the most useful with blessings, or weapons of light, but what ever you find comfortable is what I suggest mainly.
Oh, how to forget that! I really wish Bungie designed more hard stuff without relying on the no-revives rule.
I'll be able to be there 3PM on Sunday for the flawless run!
After helping a newbie-ish group through the KF hard raid, we made it to sisters and a couple people had to leave... It was fine. We had fun, I explained what I could to try and help (not having any time to get comfy/clear the room), we tried a couple times, but couldn't get a smooth transition going after the first sister went down and we kept dying. The group fell apart, all good.
I then hopped on the companion app, looking for a group for a quick oryx kill... I found "must have experience, if you have questions, please don't join. You'll be kicked. Message for invite. Don't have time to mess around. Need to get this done quickly." I usually HATE these groups, but thought a quick run would be fine. If we all know what we're doing, it'll take 10 minutes. No harm in some quick loot.
Five wipes later, I finally looked the group leader up. He had ONE normal mode Oryx kill. He'd never done hard mode. Turns out, he wasn't even 100% sure where the Knights spawned in.... I left. What are some people thinking?
I then hopped on the companion app, looking for a group for a quick oryx kill... I found "must have experience, if you have questions, please don't join. You'll be kicked. Message for invite. Don't have time to mess around. Need to get this done quickly." I usually HATE these groups, but thought a quick run would be fine. If we all know what we're doing, it'll take 10 minutes. No harm in some quick loot.
Five wipes later, I finally looked the group leader up. He had ONE normal mode Oryx kill. He'd never done hard mode. Turns out, he wasn't even 100% sure where the Knights spawned in.... I left. What are some people thinking?
NeOak
Member
Should have told him "You fucking scrub, were you expecting to get carried in KFHM? It can't be done" and laughed while leaving.
With a recruitment message like that, I am dead serious.
https://www.bungie.net/en/Clan/Detail/988011 for clan raider
Sneaky recruitment tool
darkistheway
Member
I want more of that too. I love what's going on in the lore.
The dissonance between the tone they constantly portray in their media and the awesome, dark mythology of the Grimoire is striking. It feels schizophrenic to be honest.
JohnOfMars
Banned
I love love love the live action trailers. I will brook no alternatives. That said, I do like the game world being serious about itself. There's great lore behind the Gjallarhorn & Alpha Lupi. That they'd make a sparrow out of the remains of their fallen comrades, eh.
I mean there is a Grimoire card for fucking Chroma. ಠ_ಠ
I mean there is a Grimoire card for fucking Chroma. ಠ_ಠ
DrDrizzay101
Member
Stream your flawless brah :eyes:
The Reach spaceship battle has become House of the Dying Sun.
DrDrizzay101
Member
Flawless Scrota is crazy easy. Way easier than breaking a 0.5 k/d on kadey's train. Go ahead and sign up if you want the trophy, literally anyone can do it.
I solo abyss. Climb tower to cheese bridge. Kill DSinger fast and one-sword Scrota do to crazy over leveling. The end.
BoBoThunder
Member
Thanks for the fun run! glad to get that Flawless Raider trophy. Now time to get destroyed in IB!
Congrats everyone!
Congrats everyone! Thank you for setting it up and thank you to the team for all their contributions. It was fun and I hope to see you all on Destiny again in the future.
Hope your other flawless runs go as smoothly as this one (only took us a little over half an hour).
Nice job guys. Thanks for sherpaderp duty, GutZ
I want a train. PSN: Netguy503
GustyGardens
Banned
Let me know if you decide to start one.
Twilight Gap
Member
ipitythafool32
Member
Guess I'll toss my hat in the ring for a train
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Sleep be damned!
First Platinum trophy ever for me. Don't care about trophies at all but given the investment in this game and the fact that it was the last one I needed, I figured I had to try it considering the help offers given by GutZ and Drizzay lately.
So, huge thanks to the team and Gutz for making everything so seamless.
I'll be sure to PM Lnkn to get my ass on that list
that's been most of my night, Kadey
Destiny being Destiny. Go through a match where we pulled ahead and demolished the competition. Rewards screen appears and I get legendary gauntlets. I'm super pumped as this is the last 335 item I need to finally reach 335 on my Titan and I have 0 doubt in my mind it won't be a 335 LL items since I'm currently equipped at 333. I hover over the item to discover it's a 334, matching the LL of my highest guanlets.
LunaticLMD
Member
lol.
optimus8936
Banned
I feel like everyone here has felt this pain at some point in their Destiny
april update
Destiny be trollin', yo.
I've gotten 5 drops the last two days. All 334 boots (as a 335).
optimus8936
Banned
I don't know. Every game I've played CTF on has failed at implementing CTF. It never worked in CoD, it stinks in Battlefield, and every game I've seen have CTF, it always seems like the CTF population is very small to begin with. It seems like one of the hardest modes to do right in a game and I don't know if it will work with Destiny, but you never know until you try!
I'm not saying it's a crap game mode. I think it's fun to play and leads to some good action, but just really hard to do right.