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I would like to if enough people are on
vakarian32
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Need to buy myself a legendary LMG soon once i have the marks. my options are Prestige IV or Zombie Apocalypse, they both have some nice stats and upgrade options. Anyone have experience with these? leaning towards Prestige because it looks rad, and I kinda need a good void dmg weapon.
robertsan21
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in 1 minute. but I guess there is a patch coming so expect some destiny downtime?
Kill volumes / kill boxes are volumes Bungie can place in a map that will either instantly kill you or throw up the "Turn back!" (or Return to Battlefield in Reach) and starts the countdown before it kills you.
In Halo Reach and 4, these are placeable by users in Forge, and defaults to being shaped like a box that you can change the size of. if a player intersects with this volume/box, they are either killed or told to turn back, but the box itself is not rendered in normal gameplay.
This kill volume was also stored as an easily changeable part of the map metadata called the Forge Variant, not hardcoded into the map itself.
It's clear that Bungie has kept this system for Destiny, so they can easily close off areas to players quickly without having to go in and recompile the map.
Johan Liebert
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10 seconds.
Blue Ninja
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I just got Pocket Infinity and they're nerfing it? BUNGIEEEEEE
Holy shit, and no more sniper platform. RIP.
Bungie and their kill volumes, never forgive.
Holy shit, and no more sniper platform. RIP.
Bungie and their kill volumes, never forgive.
Aztechnology
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Cool, are you on PS4? If so Aztechne is my PSN ID
Auto rifles were just as OP as fusion rifles in my opinion but it's still a shame that they didn't nerf fusion rifles a bit as well.
Glad that at least the mythoclast got nerfed because that thing was just destroying pvp.
Ya I'm cyborg1
Johan Liebert
Member
To encourage diversity both in PvP and PvE?
If AR's are capable of dealing with everything in PvE as well there's no real reason to use anything else as a primary.
never played the strike before, got an invite right at atheon. after a good bit of grease we nailed him and it was one of the best feelings i've had in a game.
this crew, i'm so glad they invited me. thanks guys.
Thanks so much for joining! You really helped us out! If you ever need people to play the raid from the beginning let me know. Raiding is so much fun!!! Definitely look forward to playing with you guys in future raids!
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
LOL
Nightfall and Weekly are The Devil's Lair, HAHA!
Nightfall and Weekly are The Devil's Lair, HAHA!
Twilight Gap
Member
i don't get the joke. it's on a rotation and everything else has already been done so now it's back to the beginning.
get a good void weapon and it'll be just as easy as the others. there will be another cheese strat within 12 hours anyway.
they shouldn't even get close to you.
cjp
Junior Member
Why's that so funny? (Genuine question)
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Anyone up for doing the Nightfall right now? lol
Hunter-Zero
Member
I would love to have that one, full auto with solar burn? rad.
The raid only gave me ass shards and chatterwhites so far...
LollipoPReapeR
Member
Ah ok thanks
Aztechnology
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Sent you a friend request, lets see if we can't find more Gaffers.
CouchMaster
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Twilight Gap
Member
this continues to baffle me.
why does a whole area need to be blocked off if there's no event there?
why does a whole area need to be blocked off if there's no event there?
Der Flatulator
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Do I dismantle my Atheon's Epilogue, Shadow Price, Hex Caster, Shingen and Galahad yet?
i am. psn same as here. whats yours?
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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after a solid month of play, logging over 250 hours cross xbox one and ps4 and my characters, and extensively breaking the game in every conceivable way by going in, on, through under and around maps and every single bit of disk-included DLC I have come to the following conclusion/analysis.
Prevention
Destiny uses five distinct methods to box the player in to a set area, these are visible barriers (Forcefields), Invisible barriers (blocking volumes), timer death zones (usually encountered when climbing too high or venturing on normal geometry out of the play area), Instant death zones and lastly, rubber barriers (no visible obstruction but you're bounced away from the direction you are trying to go)
Exploitation
Many of the issues lay with combinations of rough blocking volumes not overlapping and world geometry having collision volumes that allow for the player to climb too far up, or venture along very small ledges, often times its simply a case of creative jumping that'll get you out of the game area, others abusing the collision boxes on more technical geometry will get the job done.
Sparrows
Arguably the biggest issue is with sparrows, they are spawned based on a rectangular clearance volume, but this volume doesn't do a very efficient job of checking for clearance when the player is rotating, so it's possible to walk up against a wall and turn, placing a third of this clearance volume in or past the blocking volume, spawning the sparrow and boosting in this situation can more often than not allow you to pass through the wall or blocking volume to whatever lies beyond
The second issue with sparrows is that they are ignorant to many types of surface, the gate that prevents you from returning to the starting area of the game, and the main doorway to raid are two examples of this, parking the sparrow sideways along the surface and dismounting sends the player through the volume and on to the other side, bypassing the structure entirely.
The last issue with sparrows seems to be that large rebounding force fields are completely ignored when riding the sparrow, as illustrated by easily accessing the dark below area by riding through the field on a sparrow.
DLC issue
In both the alpha and beta, most of the DLC areas on earth were accessible, this was well known across youtube and was not fixed for beta or retail, or any of the subsequent patches, the same exploititive nature that found these areas to begin with was given free reign of the whole world area, exposing more closed off areas on other planets.
The pressing issue for these areas is that most of them are relatively small and mostly complete, which suggests that they will eventually become strike missions at a later date, the only DLC area of all of these that have been accessed that contains actual enemies thus far is Kings Watch.
Accessing these areas:
Jovian Complex :
Jovial complex can be accessed using the sparrow spawn glitch, access is granted by going to the sky watch area, and just to the left of the original engram cave is a hive nest, at the very bottom of that cave you will load in to "jovian complex", what you need to do is not turn the last corner but instead jump on the box by the left wall, spawn your sparrow and glitch through the wall in to the area. Video on how is here
Seraphim vault : Seraphim vault can be accessed through a series of particular jumps done after glitching through terrain volume, it's a much more complicated process so i would advise simply watching the video demonstration.
Kings Watch : Again, much like Seraphim vault the kings watch area is a bit of a pain to access and much more of a pain to describe, video can be found here.
The Dark Below : This area can be accessed by playing through the black garden mission, upon defeating the defenders at the warp gate, jump on your sparrow and ride it through, you will come out the other side still riding the sparrow - you simply need to ride it from the entrance all the way to the blocking volume later on in the level, and ride on through, video demo here. (Video isn't mine)
The Terminus : This last area, as many will remember, is accessible through the large pillar of light on Venus that has a force field around it, to simply a much more intricate reality, you climb up the left wall and jump towards the light lift, completely bypassing the forcefield blocking volume and get dragged up to the new area, video is here. (again, not my video).
Dusk Warrens : Another area accessible, this time from the moon map - video of how to access it is here.
Chamber of night : Another area accessible - video of how to access it is here.
If anyone finds this particularly interesting, I may be convinced to post a write up on my raid map findings too.
Prevention
Destiny uses five distinct methods to box the player in to a set area, these are visible barriers (Forcefields), Invisible barriers (blocking volumes), timer death zones (usually encountered when climbing too high or venturing on normal geometry out of the play area), Instant death zones and lastly, rubber barriers (no visible obstruction but you're bounced away from the direction you are trying to go)
Exploitation
Many of the issues lay with combinations of rough blocking volumes not overlapping and world geometry having collision volumes that allow for the player to climb too far up, or venture along very small ledges, often times its simply a case of creative jumping that'll get you out of the game area, others abusing the collision boxes on more technical geometry will get the job done.
Sparrows
Arguably the biggest issue is with sparrows, they are spawned based on a rectangular clearance volume, but this volume doesn't do a very efficient job of checking for clearance when the player is rotating, so it's possible to walk up against a wall and turn, placing a third of this clearance volume in or past the blocking volume, spawning the sparrow and boosting in this situation can more often than not allow you to pass through the wall or blocking volume to whatever lies beyond
The second issue with sparrows is that they are ignorant to many types of surface, the gate that prevents you from returning to the starting area of the game, and the main doorway to raid are two examples of this, parking the sparrow sideways along the surface and dismounting sends the player through the volume and on to the other side, bypassing the structure entirely.
The last issue with sparrows seems to be that large rebounding force fields are completely ignored when riding the sparrow, as illustrated by easily accessing the dark below area by riding through the field on a sparrow.
DLC issue
In both the alpha and beta, most of the DLC areas on earth were accessible, this was well known across youtube and was not fixed for beta or retail, or any of the subsequent patches, the same exploititive nature that found these areas to begin with was given free reign of the whole world area, exposing more closed off areas on other planets.
The pressing issue for these areas is that most of them are relatively small and mostly complete, which suggests that they will eventually become strike missions at a later date, the only DLC area of all of these that have been accessed that contains actual enemies thus far is Kings Watch.
Accessing these areas:
Jovian Complex :
Jovial complex can be accessed using the sparrow spawn glitch, access is granted by going to the sky watch area, and just to the left of the original engram cave is a hive nest, at the very bottom of that cave you will load in to "jovian complex", what you need to do is not turn the last corner but instead jump on the box by the left wall, spawn your sparrow and glitch through the wall in to the area. Video on how is here
Seraphim vault : Seraphim vault can be accessed through a series of particular jumps done after glitching through terrain volume, it's a much more complicated process so i would advise simply watching the video demonstration.
Kings Watch : Again, much like Seraphim vault the kings watch area is a bit of a pain to access and much more of a pain to describe, video can be found here.
The Dark Below : This area can be accessed by playing through the black garden mission, upon defeating the defenders at the warp gate, jump on your sparrow and ride it through, you will come out the other side still riding the sparrow - you simply need to ride it from the entrance all the way to the blocking volume later on in the level, and ride on through, video demo here. (Video isn't mine)
The Terminus : This last area, as many will remember, is accessible through the large pillar of light on Venus that has a force field around it, to simply a much more intricate reality, you climb up the left wall and jump towards the light lift, completely bypassing the forcefield blocking volume and get dragged up to the new area, video is here. (again, not my video).
Dusk Warrens : Another area accessible, this time from the moon map - video of how to access it is here.
Chamber of night : Another area accessible - video of how to access it is here.
If anyone finds this particularly interesting, I may be convinced to post a write up on my raid map findings too.
Aztechnology
Member
Is it strange I'm kind of happy they are nerfing the Mytho, because it finally lets me use my icebreaker? I mean I know I don't have to use the Mytho, but it was good to the point where it was simply stupid not to use it.
Duebrithil
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I think you put it perfectly in the bolded. Since the platforms are not difficult to reach I'd always seen them as part of the location and not as someplace I wasn't supposed to be in, and thus why the killzone solution seems a bit excessive (I mean, Vex TPing is their thing, tweaking the adds there seems feasible seeing the loot cave et al adjustments). I understand your point though, thanks for the write-up.
This is Truth.
this continues to baffle me.
why does a whole area need to be blocked off if there's no event there?
Maybe there is construction site going on. Building new event you know...
Twilight Gap
Member
easiest daily ever. holy shit.
this continues to baffle me.
why does a whole area need to be blocked off if there's no event there?
Wish I knew the answer to this to. The tower is already small enough as is, so why not leave the area open to fool around in if folks so decide. I guess they want people to be excited for when that area opens for of new "events"
robertsan21
Member
but you really think its not going to be more powerful than the other weapons even with the nerf?
I am using mine now, not even maxed it out yet and its awesome, if the maxed out mytho is as strong as an unleveled one, then I will be happy.
robertsan21
Member
what time will they start the hotfix?
panda-zebra
Member
No chance. In the very first raid stream I saw on the first night the guys all grouped up on that far left platform and took his shield down from there in relative safety. All those platforms are there by design, not chance.
Goodacre0081
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kind of a boring week. no events?
Twilight Gap
Member
i would enjoy your write up. i explored some of these areas with friends earlier today. will post some pics later too.
might try to get into dusk warrens too.
Aztechnology
Member
absolutely at least for a little while, for appeasement and to slow the interest down a bit while they patch stuff out. 34% base damage reduction is huge. Especially for PVE, it already has ammo issues as upgrading the magazine capacity doesn't increase the amount of ammo it can hold like other guns. If there's a mission modifier for solar I'll use it, otherwise, well see.
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