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Destiny |OT7| "In the Garden of Suros" by I. Ron Banner

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E92 M3

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nowai said:
You're kidding yourself if you think even half of the people went through the full raid.

Most are getting Atheon hard checkpoint and cheesing him while skipping the hardest part.
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All I know is that I wasted a Saturday trying to finish the raid, by finding different groups every time someone left or things fell apart.

Hawkian said:
gotcha. I wouldn't be surprised if that occurs. There was certainly no need to nerf it for PvE that I'm aware of.
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Yes, it needs to happen ASAP. Thankfully, I didn't waste any ascended energy due to a feeling I had that Bungie will butcher everything.
 
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Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
Chamber said:
I hate this game yet still feel the need to try and progress.
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If you wouldn't mind (I understand if it winds up being too personal or anything), and assuming you really mean that, could you elaborate on this? I don't think there's any concept in gaming that I'm more unable to relate to.
 
MADGAME

MADGAME

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Do we know what is behind the closed door in the area across from the speaker? It has never been opened as far as I'm aware, and so far special events have only occurred in the main area of the tower.
 
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Deku Tree

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Just finished my bad juju bounty. also At almost the same time I got a legendary pulse rifle that can eventually upgrade to fire in full auto with a larger clip. I am thinking about concentrating on upgrading the legendary so that I can equip a secondary exotic most of the time.

And I just finished filling up the experience circles on my legendary hex caster arc ar. Need to farm spin metal.
 
breakfuss

breakfuss

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Another vote for whine and cheese.

Temidien said:
I hadn't considered that route, thanks! My aim is to start farming events when I'm not doing "real" work like dailies/weeklies/raids, so hopefully I'll have a good stock of marks ready to spend in the coming weeks.
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Keep in mind the marks are capped at 100/week and 200 overall (I think). I've somehow managed to max out vanguard while still being at level 1 soooo...mine are just sitting there since I'm not allowed to buy anything, lol. Forgot to take off my dead orbit bond. And just as a reminder...buy the gear, not the weapons as they only give energy (another lesson I learned the hard way).
 
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Unknown Soldier

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I just don't think they will really address the fundamental issues with the game until Destiny 2 and the DLC will probably be more of the same. For the first time last night, I seriously thought about just quitting and waiting for Destiny 2 in 2016 before giving this franchise another try.
 
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Union Carbine

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And thus, as has been foretold in endless (that is six or so) former official threads, Dax will willfully and gleefully go against the will of the community and drop an unpraised title on the next OT and that next OT shall become as barren as a wasteland, filled only with pages of rage and posts asking, begging, cursing the title of the thread. So let be it written, so let it be done.
 
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Flo_Evans

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Hawkian said:
Pulse rifles are the one gun type in this game I just cannot wrap my brain around. I have no idea what their intended role is or why you would ever, ever choose one over scout or auto
hand cannon
. That said, the Stranger's Rifle seems bizarrely effective in PvP IMO. Every once in a while I run into someone in Rumble that winds up near the top of the leaderboard using it.

I've actually heard good things about Bad Seed Down too, and been owned enough times to notice by Strange Suspect. But again, I just don't get the weapon class and its intended role.

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re: Thorn

It needs some sort of a buff for PvE, certainly, but I'm actually getting sliiightly worried about any buff's effect on PvP. It might become a new FOTM op gun like Vision of Confluence is right now. Actually I wouldn't be that mad about it though, it'd be hilarious. Flashbacks of "lol abandon the bounty", "dismantle that gun it's junk", "worst exotic" etc.

Even having spent barely any time with it personally so far I can say with certainty that it's a very, very good weapon in the right hands. First off it's a hand cannon. So if you're expecting anything like the amount of "here have a headshot" like you get with auto rifles, snipers or even scout rifles, it's not gonna happen. Hand cannons reward good aim and punish a lack of it.

Past that generic point, it's an unremarkable and even poor hand cannon... until you unlock its unique upgrade. At which point it is unlike any other gun in the game, and certainly worthy of crafting a build around. I keep thinking about this comment from last night

Oh.. it's not inherently better, and in many ways it's inherently worse. But what it is most of all is different than any other hand cannon of legendary or better quality. There is no reduplicating or comparing its innate DoT effect to any other gun, which makes it quite the unique beast, and not one to be written off.

The magazine is tiny, but that's an unavoidable downside. The reload speed, on the other hand, is deeply counterable, and doing so will be key to any devastatingly effective Thorn build, of which there can be many. So far as I know, there are three potential class-based builds that leverage a specific skill to counter the slow default reload of Thorn:

Chain of Woe (Gunslinger) - Precision kills boost reload speed, stacks up to 3 times in intensity
War Machine (Defender) - While Force Barrier is active, boost reload speed (this is the best reload speed skill in the game)
Surge (Voidwalker) - After Energy Drain, all weapon handling and movement is boosted

Outside of these builds which are dependent on subclass, you can leverage gear mods on just about any class to make a viable build out of it. Those of you who saw my Thornveil build (4th one down in this guidepost) note that it doesn't rely on any Sunsinger skills to help Thorn's reload, but instead calls for a specific pair of Legendary gauntlets, and then maxes out on every kind of DoT imaginable instead
god i seeeeeriously bet this would be a fun one to play
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Hmm I still have the thorn bounty on stage one taking up space. I guess I could start it.

I forgot about the defender reload ability, I usually go unbreakable since I have reload perks on gauntlets (for sub weapons, makes my not icebreaker sniper rifle load like crazy).

I am kind of sad about hard light. It didn't really seem to be that popular of a gun but it got hit pretty hard with stability. Add in the overall AR nerf and it was just eating ammo and not doing much on the normal raid. I mean this is supposed to be the cutting edge AR from golden age tech?

Ionized polymer synballistic attack platform. The system's lethality is dynamically robust across tactical spaces.
As the City's understanding of Golden Age methods expands, foundries continue to push the cutting edge of tactical armament. The Hard Light prototype is a showcase, built with the rarest recovered materials and the most computationally demanding design methods. The design team included several specialist Exos and at least one Warlock thanatonaut.

In its current iteration, the Hard Light design fires a superheated polymer round with exotic capabilities.
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why? I kind of hate the shadow price is so good... It was my 1st legendary, 1st gun to max, but I am kind of tired of using it. It's so "normal" it does ask so little and offer so much, I am just tired of looking at the gun model >_<

Its like I have all these cool weapons but when the shit hits the fan its shadow price + ice breaker.
 
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AmateurHour212

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Union Carbine said:
And thus, as has been foretold in endless (that is six or so) former official threads, Dax will willfully and gleefully go against the will of the community and drop an unpraised title on the next OT and that next OT shall become as barren as a wasteland, filled only with pages of rage and posts asking, begging, cursing the title of the thread. So let be it written, so let it be done.
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If it's not whine and cheese... I will be pissed (
not IRL pissed
).

But just like the game, I'll continue to come back time and again regardless of how I am treated. ;)

I won't lie. RNG really hooked me up last night and my desire to play has been reinvigorated.
 
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Mindlog

Member
commish said:
Come on, let's be honest here. The number of people who (a) own a Vex, (b) killed the templar without using the exploit, and (c) kill Atheon without using the exploit, is about 3%.
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/Raises hand.
Buff my Mythoclast please.

Played some Crucible for no good reason. Everything was, Shadow Price. However, I had my Patience and Time equipped and ended up popping so many heads. It was hilarious. I might be the only person who prefers holding A on Blind Watch. We almost won. I was too harsh on Patience and Time earlier. Deep clip with high stability is nice.
 
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The Librarian

Banned
Union Carbine said:
And thus, as has been foretold in endless (that is six or so) former official threads, Dax will willfully and gleefully go against the will of the community and drop an unpraised title on the next OT and that next OT shall become as barren as a wasteland, filled only with pages of rage and posts asking, begging, cursing the title of the thread. So let be it written, so let it be done.
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Narmer212 said:
If it's not whine and cheese... I will be pissed (
not IRL pissed
).

But just like the game, I'll continue to come back time and again regardless of how I am treated. ;)

I won't lie. RNG really hooked me up last night and my desire to play has been reinvigorated.
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Plus you guys can't quit me. You love me!
 
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Chamber

love on your sleeve
Hawkian said:
If you wouldn't mind (I understand if it winds up being too personal or anything), and assuming you really mean that, could you elaborate on this? I don't think there's any concept in gaming that I'm more unable to relate to.
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I'm kidding.
mild dislike is more like it
 
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Afrocious

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After clearing VoG on heroic with enough time to do whatever I wanted (last night was kinda crazy in a scary way afterward), I contemplated putting the game away and focusing on other things. The game has the MMO hooks, but the reward loop is gimped when you end up with your third Aspect of Glass + ass shards and energies as a reward for a full clear. This is the second time it's happened to me, and I think jumping into the raid is the most obnoxious slot machine ever conceived.

Now that I'm level 30 with raid gear (I don't even need exotic gear anymore to hit 30), and with the one gun I wanted being nerfed to high heaven, and figuring out another way to cheese the templar and oracles 5 minutes after actually stepping into those encounters post patch, there's not much left for me to do. I know some guy was talking about how the raid is fun by itself, but I think he's silly and probably plays with terrible players.
 
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Deku Tree

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I usually hate pvp. But I discovered that I like playing clash. 6v6 prevents you going in as randoms vs a fireteam with mics. It also mitigates the effects of afkers too. And it's more likely you'll get assists. And it's fun to defend your turf.
 
EL CUCO

EL CUCO

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All this Thorn talk is making want to take it out for a weekly strike.

I'll probably give it a go today. I need to upgrade it though. I tried leveling it up in PVP but without DOT its terrible, IMO.
 
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Korosenai

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nowai said:
You're kidding yourself if you think even half of the people went through the full raid.

Most are getting Atheon hard checkpoint and cheesing him while skipping the hardest part.
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Uh, I did hard mode raid. With a couple gaffers none the less.

But since then I've been doing the atheon checkpoint, because all I really care about is the epilogue and the mythoclast, which can both drop at Atheon.
 
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Cømet

Banned
Whine and cheese is great.



So folks, I'm in the market for a new AR to act as my main when I'm using Ice Breaker (so, basically, always except when in PvP). I love my Suros dearly, but IB is just too good to stow.

So I'm looking for something similar. Similar levels of stability, range and hell even the slower/more powerful ADS if it's going.


Even better if it's vanguard. I've got the marks for a gun from there already anyway.
 
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jeffc919

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Cømet;134460791 said:
Whine and cheese is great.



So folks, I'm in the market for a new AR to act as my main when I'm using Ice Breaker (so, basically, always except when in PvP). I love my Suros dearly, but IB is just too good to stow.

So I'm looking for something similar. Similar levels of stability, range and hell even the slower/more powerful ADS if it's going.


Even better if it's vanguard. I've got the marks for a gun from there already anyway.
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Pretty sure the consensus is Shadow Price from Vanguard or Vanquisher from New Monarchy. Both similar guns.
 
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Spineker

Banned
My opinion of this game has.....deteriorated significantly in recent times. There are just so many terrible design choices here that are so dumb, you can hardly believe it was Bungie that made them, and most of them surround PvP.
 
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deftangel

took a programming course
Hawkian said:
Pulse rifles are the one gun type in this game I just cannot wrap my brain around. I have no idea what their intended role is or why you would ever, ever choose one over scout or auto
hand cannon
. That said, the Stranger's Rifle seems bizarrely effective in PvP IMO. Every once in a while I run into someone in Rumble that winds up near the top of the leaderboard using it.

I've actually heard good things about Bad Seed Down too, and been owned enough times to notice by Strange Suspect. But again, I just don't get the weapon class and its intended role.
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I actually started doing a bit better in PvP when I finished the game and got the Stranger's rifle and wound up sticking with it for a while until I found something that was Rare 18+.

After around 30+ hours or so, I got an exotic Red Death from a Legendary engram. I'm doing "OK" with it, although I'm still struggling to get a K/D ratio over 1 most games (getting tonnes of assists mind). I've a nagging doubt there's probably a better option out where somewhere but now the auto-rifles have been nerfed I'm not sure what my first legendary gun purchase should be for PvP.

I'm a Voidwalker for the most part, if that makes any odds.
 
EL CUCO

EL CUCO

Member
Cømet;134460791 said:
Whine and cheese is great.



So folks, I'm in the market for a new AR to act as my main when I'm using Ice Breaker (so, basically, always except when in PvP). I love my Suros dearly, but IB is just too good to stow.

So I'm looking for something similar. Similar levels of stability, range and hell even the slower/more powerful ADS if it's going.


Even better if it's vanguard. I've got the marks for a gun from there already anyway.
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I bought the Shadow Price last night after much contemplation. I have ZERO regrets.

Will fully upgrade ASAP
 
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Nocturnx

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Deku Tree said:
Just finished my bad juju bounty. also At almost the same time I got a legendary pulse rifle that can eventually upgrade to fire in full auto with a larger clip. I am thinking about concentrating on upgrading the legendary so that I can equip a secondary exotic most of the time.

And I just finished filling up the experience circles on my legendary hex caster arc ar. Need to farm spin metal.
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Have we heard if Bad Juju will be one of the exotic's they will be buffing in the next update? I would have to think so...
 
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jeffc919

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Nocturnx said:
Have we heard if Bad Juju will be one of the exotic's they will be buffing in the next update? I would have to think so...
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I think Bad Juju and Thorn were called out specifically. I'm excited to see what they do for Thorn. I already like it in PvP as it is.
 
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Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
Flo_Evans said:
Hmm I still have the thorn bounty on stage one taking up space. I guess I could start it.

I forgot about the defender reload ability, I usually go unbreakable since I have reload perks on gauntlets (for sub weapons, makes my not icebreaker sniper rifle load like crazy).
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It's usually not necessary or beneficial, really, but that's part of the beauty of the class skill/exotic build synergy which has a lot of endgame potential. A normally subpar skill can become invaluable when you throw on a new gun.
I am kind of sad about hard light. It didn't really seem to be that popular of a gun but it got hit pretty hard with stability. Add in the overall AR nerf and it was just eating ammo and not doing much on the normal raid. I mean this is supposed to be the cutting edge AR from golden age tech?
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Okay yeah, we need to update our list of specific guns legitimately needing buffs. Don't post any already-good ARs or get laughed at by me

Exotics
Thorn
Bad Juju
Super Good Advice
Hard Light
Mida Multi-tool (? haven't played with it since SR buff)

Legendaries
Doctor Nope
EL CUCO said:
All this Thorn talk is making want to take it out for a weekly strike.

I'll probably give it a go today. I need to upgrade it though. I tried leveling it up in PVP but without DOT its terrible, IMO.
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Lol. I wouldn't fire another shot from thorn before upgrading it to Mark of the Devourer. Just equip it when turning in bounties.
 
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