figadapaura
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Only if you're prone to dying.
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Destiny |OT7| "In the Garden of Suros" by I. Ron Banner
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Only if you're prone to dying.
PrivateWHudson
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I've heard that hard is the way to go since you get all of the loot from normal at the same time. That said, I like doing the raid, and don't mind easing my way into hard by practicing on normal as much as possible. Jealous at all of those shards. I spend them as I get them and never have more then 10 or so with a bunch of slots waiting to be filled.
I kinda think there should be a third subclass for Titan/Hunter that has something similar. Having self revive makes certain hard things WAY easier. Nightfall strike? I'll just wait for my special to charge before fighting the boss. I'm not complaining, I'd be too frustrated without having it.
Whatever. Got to Sepktis on nightfall, got stuck on a wall and melee killed in one hit by a dreg. Thanks self revive.
BLAMMO
*shrug* might help to just alter your perspective a little bit. unless your thinking is "I'm done with this fucking game as soon as I hit 30," actually breaching that threshold is just-barely-not-really-even-quite-ever necessary. if your'e so inclined this guide elaborates.
on a broader note, i personally just can't imagine playing a game I thought was shitty, let alone playing it for as long as it must have taken you to hit 29.
I actually agree with this too. the better I come to know Warlocks the more I see they're the class with the least need to switch based on scenario. both subclasses are viable and self-sufficient and more than anything I just wish I could mix and match a few voidwalker powers on my sunbro omg blink surge and flameshield omg gimme plz omg.
death4romabove22
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Zxrophantom
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I would not under sell shotguns too much. Granted i'm mainly using invective (exotic) and the comedian (Legendary). The invective has saved me many times when a armored major comes running my way. The heavy damage in a pinch is what i use shotguns for when you are in the thick of it. Fusion rifles are not quick to shoot which can leave you in a bind if you need to get the shoot off right away. Mid to long range fusion rifle are great maybe even king if you need a well rounded heavy damage weapon. But up close and personal there is still use for them shotguns.
everyday math
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Finally lvl 30.
It's easily the best option for solo play...especially the Nightfall.
Handcannons overall are perfectly balanced. The only guns that might need some tweaks for PvP are The Last Word and Thorn.
Perfectly said.
Again, on normal, anything goes. Heroic, stop playing so reckless and don't rely on the radiance crutch.
Johan Liebert
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Hell yeah! Got the warlock raid helm for completing the hard raid. Have full raid gear, just need like a dozen shards and I can finally reach level 30!
Hmm. I should really transfer my Main's gear over to my alt before the raid tonight but this tv movie is too good. I would pause it if not for the fact the pause button on the remote haven't been working for weeks.
While on Destiny, I earlier mentioned having to pick between Gjallahorn and Ice Breaker to fully upgrade due to insufficient Ass Energy. I checked my Ass Energy count later after that post went up and noticed I have more than enough to upgrade both. Now I have to pick over which one should I upgrade first.
While on Destiny, I earlier mentioned having to pick between Gjallahorn and Ice Breaker to fully upgrade due to insufficient Ass Energy. I checked my Ass Energy count later after that post went up and noticed I have more than enough to upgrade both. Now I have to pick over which one should I upgrade first.
CrimsonCommie
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Anybody?
yeah I should have clarified. I do a lot of stuff by myself and always pick sunsinger even if there's a void burn just for the revive.
everyday math
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Why would the The Last Word need a tweak?
I wouldn't mind if they reworked it (to add other viable options). I would mind if they removed it.
Poor design is just removing things that people enjoy...oh, wait
Abusive_Red
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Testify, brother.
Congrats!
Finally lvl 30.
robertsan21
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Todays Loot
Need one more? Time?
yeah that's.... lmao
but no to this. first off, you can't "use nothing but self-revive." It's one skill column out of a few choices that need to be made on a sunsinger, and the other two choices in that one column are as follows:
- Song of Flame: While active, Radiance reduces all cooldowns for nearby allies. <- this is the one that could use some kind of a buff, as I consider it worthless. Maybe if it were just "for your fireteam" with no distance restriction.
- Radiant Skin: While active, Radiance reduces incoming damage. <- I'm really getting the impression that people are underestimating Radiant Skin. It makes a big damn difference and makes Radianced-out Sunsingers unexpectedly hardy in PvP. I have multiple builds in mind that leverage this skill and that means not taking Fireborn. Specifically, if you use Apotheosis Veil in a build, you want this- change your "oh shit, Super!" moment from after death to just before it, as the helm will instantly heal you from a sliver of health, but completely waste its effect if using Fireborn.
- Fireborn: Radiance can now be activated from beyond the grave. Doing so returns you to life. <- it's just an awesome skill and no one should be ashamed to choose it under any scenario. not surprised it's the most popular of the three, and there's nothing wrong with it.
Blue Ninja
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Tiger Strike. Two dudes get Legendary Engrams, I get nothing. Tears. :'(
Of course, but you mentioned Glide first. And literally anything is better than Glide.
Kind of misses the point. Warlock is better than you for raid because he has a super that does great damage *or* he can self-revive if something crazy happens. Or to help start an encounter to allow further cheese, for instance, and have everyone, still, snipe oracles from a distance.
Even the best raiders in the world have people die on attempts from time to time, so saying the equivalent of "Don't suck" beyond the trolling reasons is ..... again, missing the point.
This isn't to say the other classes don't come with huge pluses. Golden Gun for Oracles is great. Defender + damage bubble for dps increase and to help prevent the Templar from teleporting safely is great.
Warlock, though, you can feel safe about stacking.
The dEVIL yOU KNOWis an absolute monster...headshots only though. The perfect balance perk and the ammo directly into the magazine are irreplacable. Easily my favorite owned weapon.
Union Carbine
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Same here. Take away the leveling and loot and I'd still enjoy playing. I would not keep playing if I hated it just to reach some kind of end-of-game milestone.
It's useful if you die a lot, none of your non-sunbro teammates get a free death - they have to not die in the first place.
Normal raid? Our team runs through normal in 50 minutes.
I forgot to mention that 5 people were on their second raid ever, and one guy was going in blind.
Union Carbine
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Yeah but if your whole team is about to wipe, a Sunbro can reach back from the abyss to not only save his or her own bacon but get the rest of the team revived.
yeah... I try not to drive the point home too hard, but um, for all the complaint about shitty rewards and incentivization and loot, I'm pretty sure I'd still really enjoy destiny even if it had no "rewards" :X it's fun to play you guys
Minor note, but I fucking LOVE how on a nightfall, if all three die, the screen actually goes black before the Sunsinger activates and it's like BOOP no just kidding, you're all good
True, but we were talking hard-mode raid viability here (no revives).
AmateurHour212
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This is a good question for you...
I have an Ice Breaker... I got the Hawkmoon last night. Cannot equip both at the same time (as amazing as this would be). It annoys the crap out of me that I have to continuously change my loadout dependent on the situation. Any thoughts on what to do about this? I was rolling with the Shadow Price and Ice Breaker and then started rolling with the Hawkmoon and 77 Wizard last night.
I know, I know. This is a good problem to have. Whatever, it's still a problem.
I only really care about PvE, where glide offers the best maneuverability when I need it.
Union Carbine
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I think some folks are just driven by a need to finish the game, whatever that means in a particular game's context, and they just push themselves, against their own enjoyment sometimes, to achieve it.
Squall ASF
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Oh how glorious it would be to mix skills but way OP haha It seems some people here are overlooking at how amazing Radiance is itself and they are only seeing it as a self revive tool. I feel like a monster when I'm in it being able to spam extremely powerful grenades, it's extremely viable to activate outside of death situations and it's to the point where you killing me only makes me more powerful mwahaha If you don't care to use the self revive "crutch" then you can up your toughness while in Radiance to survive multiple scenarios you wouldn't without the perk. Radiance is the bees knees.
I'm really curious what the Arc subclass will be like whenever they add it through DLC.
Finally lvl 30.
Congrats, Lady Math! I have full Raid gear and could hit 30 now but I'm trying to be smart about it and save the shards for an exotic. I'm going to finish maxing out the gloves to hit 29 and then it's just a waiting game to get Praxic Fire...pls Xur, pls.... I was hoping I'd get it from NF like a few here but alas, Monte Carlo instead. Still, best reward I've had from a NF haha
I don't see why. Pocket Infiniy chewed through ammo fast. It was a natural limiter on PvE. PvP has special ammo spawn points all over the place, so the ammo issue never really matters.
Union Carbine
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I see. Having never done hard-mode, do you get respawned at a checkpoint? If so, it would still prove useful if, say at the end of a boss fight, you could revive and finish the section and get the team back.
ComputerMKII
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How viable are Auto-Rifles and Shotguns in PvP, post-nerf?
Very viable
This. I would still be playing if there was no loot, just weapons that drop off enemies, like Halo. If the PvP just had loadouts and then drops off of other players, I'd still be playing PvP, heck that might actually be a better system. If you treat the game more like the fps that it is and less like an MMO, you will have more fun.
Yes, you have to hard-wipe and reset at checkpoint. There is no revive ability at all during the VoG on hard mode. The original argument was that a voidwalker is more useful to the team during the VoG hard than a sunsinger and I do agree with that for the most part. Sunsinger is an awesome class and definitely shines in other areas of the game, saving my ass many times. It depends on your role in the raid and how it's played.
The Librarian
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Can you get Vision of Confluence in normal mode for the raid?
Why? You're shelling out 8 shots immediately instead of 3. That's a huge burst of damage. That's ignoring that a player should die after two huge hits at most. Three if they're overshielded / bladedancing, MAYBE? But probably two?
Aside from our opinions, though, why do you *know* it was a PvP nerf? Mythoclast is blatantly obvious, but PI?
Finally lvl 30.
Awesome!! Congrats!!
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