SneakyStephan
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Have you played defiance?
Destiny - Review Thread
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Have you played defiance?
ArkkAngel007
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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-08-23-bungie-destiny-can-surpass-halo-sit-alongside-star-wars
Easy google search and 4 pages back from where you posted.
And this didn't need an amazing story...hell, not even a good one. I wasn't even aware of the above quote. Just one that gives purpose to what the hell I'm doing and acknowledges I'm actually progressing/doing something.
They didn't even get in the same ballpark as Halo, which isn't amazing stuff all on its own but still let me know what and why (even if misleading) I'm doing things. 343 Guilty Spark in Combat Evolved was far more informative (and better written/acted) than Ghost.
That's still evidence to base such a statement off. What exactly are you basing yours off?
Hell, you yourself have 49 posts in this thread, mostly shitting on the game. A chunk of them talking up Halo for whatever reason too. 49 posts is a lot to sink in to a thread for a game you don't even care for.
breakfuss
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I don't think I've witnessed as quick a turnaround in GAF hype as I have with this lol. At least since I've joined. Perhaps the Watch Dogs clusterfuck, but even that was somewhat tempered by early reviews and footage.
That said I think the responses here have been impressively measured and fair. No one is just hating. Many are in agreement that there's a very solid game here. And no one wants it to fail. I personally don't feel "slighted" or bamboozled. I genuinely believe they wanted and still intend to do great things with this franchise. I believe they will.
That said I think the responses here have been impressively measured and fair. No one is just hating. Many are in agreement that there's a very solid game here. And no one wants it to fail. I personally don't feel "slighted" or bamboozled. I genuinely believe they wanted and still intend to do great things with this franchise. I believe they will.
Destiny tries to encompass many of the features that made those games distinctive and fails miserably at it.
I hate the fact that Bungie is not being held accountable by the media and will not be made to respond for not delivering on their promises.
As everyone has said the shooting is great but for me there is no game there to make it worthwhile.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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From the very beginning I don't think I was completely sold on Destiny.
First of all, I always thought the Halo series was very same'y in its gameplay and design. I didn't really expect much with Destiny either, judging by the Halo series.
And with the title like "Destiny," it felt a bit pretentious from the get-go, like boasting almost. All the pre-PR doesn't help either. Just made the set up and burden to deliver even a greater thing to bear for Bungie.
It obviously has so much potential. Like others mentioned, I just don't think this game can be patched and upright everything. There may need to be a serious overhaul like FFXIV and a Realm Reborn.
Others have said this, but I always felt that Destiny would've been really great IF there was a separate single player campaign, even if it's with the traditional linear story telling, plot, cut scenes, etc. we see in most AAA games. And the current state of the game could've been its MP portion, which could be built upon with dlc, expansions, etc. The SP can have the beginning, middle, and end story while the MP could expound the world a bit more with the expositions while doing missions. Could've been great!
That way both MP and the promises of a great story could've been met and satisfy consumers.
It's obvious from a fundamental game design standpoint, (my opinion) it's almost impossible to have a really good narrative and a MMO or a MP focused game at the same time. I keep reading "Destiny sucks as a solo game but great with friends." It has to be one or the other.
That's just what I'm taking away from all these impressions I'm reading, both the negative and positive.
First of all, I always thought the Halo series was very same'y in its gameplay and design. I didn't really expect much with Destiny either, judging by the Halo series.
And with the title like "Destiny," it felt a bit pretentious from the get-go, like boasting almost. All the pre-PR doesn't help either. Just made the set up and burden to deliver even a greater thing to bear for Bungie.
It obviously has so much potential. Like others mentioned, I just don't think this game can be patched and upright everything. There may need to be a serious overhaul like FFXIV and a Realm Reborn.
Others have said this, but I always felt that Destiny would've been really great IF there was a separate single player campaign, even if it's with the traditional linear story telling, plot, cut scenes, etc. we see in most AAA games. And the current state of the game could've been its MP portion, which could be built upon with dlc, expansions, etc. The SP can have the beginning, middle, and end story while the MP could expound the world a bit more with the expositions while doing missions. Could've been great!
That way both MP and the promises of a great story could've been met and satisfy consumers.
It's obvious from a fundamental game design standpoint, (my opinion) it's almost impossible to have a really good narrative and a MMO or a MP focused game at the same time. I keep reading "Destiny sucks as a solo game but great with friends." It has to be one or the other.
That's just what I'm taking away from all these impressions I'm reading, both the negative and positive.
crazycracker
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The last sites...I'm confused...pretend like I'm 4 years sold...do you mean this thread? Was there really a mass expectation that this would be as good as Star Wars or Lord of the Rings? I mean...seriously? If that is the case then those people were misguided. Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Aliens, and Indiana Jones are franchises that have stood the test of time...(say what you will about each of these but they have had multiple movies...Also, these were FIRST film creations, not videogames) What were these people expecting out of a first go new IP....Halo at this point may Never get a movie franchise...it looks like WOW might finally get something. Will it be good? Who knows? However, I am reluctant to think that these game franchises will have any success like what Marvel has had with its movies...
I and many others will easily put 100+ hours into Destiny. If I can put in 200-300 hours into BF4 mostly just playing domination I'll have no prob doing it in Destiny. The PvP along with gear hunting/exploration with buddies is well worth the price of admission to me.
It was direct quotes from the developer, not journalists/gamers.
AllBusinessJr
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This thread is the most depressing thing I've seen in a while. Play it and enjoy it, if you're so inclined. If not, don't play it. The end.
I hope you enjoy it and get your money's worth.
flaxknuckles
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ok dad
ArkkAngel007
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1) I answered you a few posts above. Might be enlightening.
2) What the hell does Marvel have to do with anything?
3) What do film adaptations have to do with anything?
4) Destiny lacks a driving narrative. There is a narrative/story, but it's pure background noise. It has no bearing or real purpose to what you are doing. Even the characters are written to where they go out of their way to talk themselves out from acknowledging what is actually going on. As for lore stuff, that's not even in the game. You have to go to bungie.net or an app to read up on lore you have to unlock.
A lot of the people who are enjoying it - myself included - are having fun with the game despite some very widely acknowledged flaws. How much of it's audience will stick around once the glut of Fall games hit? How many will pony up for more DLC?
Now this is funny. Shitting on the game? I was thinking about buying it just to play the single player content, I don't have $100 to burn right now for Destiny and a Gold subscription. I've never said the gameplay itself was shit, I've never said "Halo 5/Master Chief Collection is going to shit on Destiny", in fact I probably talked about Halo in like 10 or so posts.
Seems like you're trying to enforce a specific narrative in this thread. I never called people that are loving the game a vocal minority, I haven't belittled anyone enjoying the game. Telling somebody they don't care for a game? Desperate attempt at trying to rub my face in the dirt.
ArkkAngel007
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I'm sorry, is this a games discussion forum? Who says we all aren't enjoying the game?
If you can't offer anything to discussion, you can stay out of the thread, since that's how this forum is supposed to operate since you seem new. The end.
^^It's funny how we're getting accused of not enjoying the game and are ruining everyone's fun, when most of the people getting those types of responses aren't the ones under that case and sure as shit aren't the ones trying to shut down discussion.
Thanks I will! I only said that cause you made it sound like it's only good for a weekend of playing then you trade it in. I guarantee for a lot of people that is not the case. It's not the most amazing game in the world and like every game not for everyone but if you enjoy very solid shooters and PvP then I would highly recommend it to anyone.
gamechanger87
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I know Destiny has very few reviews at the moment, but who would've thought....
PDZ at least has a more interesting boss fight at the end. It may not be as polished of a shooter as Destiny (even though I loved PDZ), but it had a story going through it, no matter how wacky it was.
The game isn't free though. It's $60. Considering Bungie/Activision ignored reviewers, the only way to know if you'd enjoy it or not is to spend $60 at this point. That's why people are so disappointed. Not only did they buy into the hype, play the game, and dislike it; they spent $60 too.
I know Destiny has very few reviews at the moment, but who would've thought....
Bang that on the box:
"It's as fun as Perfect Dark Zero"
I was mainly using the numbers for the campaign, I'm not a big PvP person, that's why I summed it with being good. Only you know how long you'll play PvP for.
Probably should have put a comma between the two withs to make it clear.
I don't even dislike the game, I just think it's disappointing, and the campaign a little soulless.
FunkyPajamas
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Yes to the first because, as said countless times, the developers themselves said that, on record.
And yes to the second as well. Those people were misguided by the hype machine bullshit that Bungie themselves helped create around the game.
I'm begining to think that one of the reasons why Bungie didn't try to make a better job at explaining what Destiny was as a game is precisely because they knew the truth behind all the BS they were talking.
For all the stuff this game tries to do, it actually feels content starved. Once you hit the max level it is very likely you have already done all the strikes and story, and to progress further you have to...keep doing the same ones. There's only 6 strikes to keep doing. And those aren't exactly the bastions of amazing design with thrilling boss encounters. And the game most likely wants to keep dumping you into the same one because who would ever expect an up and coming studio like bungie to have map voting in their game?
It's just fuckin' weird man.
It's just fuckin' weird man.
AngryPuppy
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D1renegade
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FunkyPajamas
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That's what the OT is for. This is the review thread. Here we discuss the Press' reviews and OUR reviews on the game.
but will it be any better? destiny's problem is a philosophy bungie has and thats they dont really care if theres a story or not where BF4 had technical problems and have mostly been fixed
if the DLC is just more of the same thats not getting better thats just more of the same crap we already have
Yep, and reviewers were given copies late so consumer's couldn't be informed before they buy. This action was what ultimately determined me not picking up my LE copy.
Inceptional
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I don't get people like you. What do you think these forums are for? Well I'll tell you, it's to let people share their OPINIONS and share them as passionately as possible without turning into complete dicks hopefully. If you're letting that get in your way of either having fun or not having fun with a game that's on you. If I let NeoGAF threads depress me I would be one sad human being.
Rock Hardy
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My last post on this. If u played the alpha and beta, didn't like it, but bought the game anyway, you have no one but yourself to blame. The scores are one thing, but the faux surprise and disappointment over this known quantity is border line crazy. You'd have to play the beta blindfolded not to have seen the final game coming. Fortunately, I enjoyed both immensely.
I'm no Bungie fan, so without the early access, I'd never have bought this game.
I'm no Bungie fan, so without the early access, I'd never have bought this game.
Going by your own link Destiny isn't an MMOFPS.
gamechanger87
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Their commentary around that is absurd. They have said they considered hiring an outside firm to populate the servers for reviewers and changed their mind. They could have offered a thousand free digital copies to preorders and opened up early if they wanted. They threw enough free ones around anyway. They definitely shielded the game from reviews especially after lackluster previews.
Generally someone wouldnt expect an empty alpha to be the final product. Many thought they were holding back content considering they kept saying how huge the game was.
NoctisVsStar
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That isn't trying new things. That is combining old things into something new.
crazycracker
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Well there you go(I feel that I'm pretty good with keeping up with video game news but obviously not)...Bungie is confused and totally out of touch with what they have created. I have no problem admitting that I am a fan of the game so far. That interview was obviously created by people who just wanted to drive sales for their game. I mean...why would they think they could create a franchise like that. However, lets not confuse ourselves into thinking that Star Wars is some great story...it was just a good Sci Fi series created when there was NOTHING in that genre...Destiny is still a fun game with decent story....although a confusing one at that...
Persistent online world? Check.
Large amounts of players even though they're behind phases? Check.
How is it NOT a MMO? It has the all the things it needs: multiplayer, ability for massive players (even though they phase it), and persistent world.
You could not be more wrong.
Exploratory
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You guys are living in a world of extremes. It's a good game it just isn't any more than that.
Anton Sugar
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Critique nothing!
crazycracker
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Are you really comparing this game to BF4? BF4 which has absolutely the most HORRIBLE story I have ever been forced to play..i think I'm still in the middle of that piece of crap. BF4 also is a forgettable FPS...Period...its something I have played and I won't miss logging in any more time to it. Bungie cares about a story and I actually think that they just were not given the time to develop the story they wanted to...They needed more time and they did not get it. I still think the DLC will flesh out a lot of the gameplay, lving, skills, and story that the game needs. Maybe I'm wrong and i'll waste my money, but I'm still having fun with the game.
Leafhopper
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Sorry our comments don't line up with your vision boss.
I know Destiny has very few reviews at the moment, but who would've thought....
PDZ was fun though.
Just kidding. Still don't see how an 81 is really that bad though.
PDZ was generally fun though.
FunkyPajamas
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edit: should probably be asking this in the OT instead.
Okay, so people shouldn't be able to critique a game at all? It must be pure praising and nothing else? If you actually read through the thread, no one is instantly dismissing the game (there have been a few but far from the majority). Instead they are offering opinions, noting that the game is quite solid but not what we were sold/what we should have expected from a developer like Bungie.
Yeah you're right mate.
This is what I thought. Before I got into the beta, I admit that I had not read too much about it, but I somehow had the impression that I could be a kind of solo explorer, wandering around, seeing cool stuff, and collecting relics/etc. I was really disappointed by the beta in many ways--the seriously lack of narrative, the non-interactive environments, the plain-vanilla weapons--mostly because of the expectations that this was something revolutionary and industry-changing.
Once I got over that, I did get some enjoyment out of the beta, but I've mostly been lurking around here the last couple of days to see if there's something I really missed out on, and I'm still looking.
I hope that Destiny will be successful in the mold of Assassin's Creed, where the first game was not the revolutionary experience that was promised, but still sold a ton and made a ton of money, thus ensuring sequels that progressively fulfilled the first game's promise.
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