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That I agree with, and ties back to Bungie not really explaining what Destiny actually is. I guess the closest description is an online FPS with limited social elements.

I think that would be about right. Not really an MMO, not quite there as an RPG, which would leave the social and FPS components being the dominate.

I just hope they patch in a more robust social system in the near future between clans, matchmaking, and communication with randoms. Even using the wave to initiate a chat link would be an improvement.
 
But he already played the game through the beta
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As crappy as it may be that someone is judging using others, there are plenty of people here who do own it and are just discussing it. Not some conspiracy to downplay or criticize for the sake of it. I have my best friend I'm sharing a copy with to talk over all the FAQ and the moment-to-moment stuff. I can't do the critical thinking stuff much with him or expand the scope because he doesn't care for that kind of discussion. He's the one who just wants to jump into the match of whatever online game sounds good and have at it to kill the time.

I can have that discussion here though, or at least I thought it was acceptable to. But it seems that folks like you are just interested in coming out of the woodwork when some off chance slip-up happens or some drive by 'game is trash' post is made so you can have the easy time of pointing that out and brushing everyone else with the same light. If anything, most of the people criticizing do enjoy the game, but have to be more vocal about it because people like you can't handle that the game you're attaching yourself to is not getting a universal celebration.

Edit: And am I the only one disturbed at the post counting stuff going on? This isn't the first time this has popped up in this thread.

Speaking of which, here are posts of mine that have the most berating:

"More to do" in Destiny sounds like stuff you've already been doing but with different enemies and wave spawning.

Most disappointing aspects of Destiny for me is the gold requirement just to play the game and no matchmaking for randoms. Completely pushes me away from buying the game.

If I could play by myself, but just needed to be connected online, I'd probably buy Destiny.

*Was wrong about the Gold requirement, but you do lose a huge chunk of the game.

People that play the game alone, or don't have co-op friends on speed dial, are treated to a non story with absolutely no elaboration and are given no context when it comes to lore. Before the game is released someone from Bungie compared Destiny's possible legacy to Star Wars and Lord of the Rings. These expectations of there simply being a story aren't manufactured, people expected some sort of competent story telling.

What is with these gutter level standards when it comes to AAA titles all of a sudden? If Bungie wanted Destiny to have a background story but tons of lore to fill in the blanks, they fucking failed, extravagantly. People don't play Dark Souls 1&2 for their stories, but the constant lore and world details allow people to entertain themselves within the game world.

How do you uncover the lore in Destiny, oh right, you need separate device and app to do that.

Three posts out of 57 that are really critical. Clearly I'm an internet agent sent by EA AND Microsoft to make three critical posts to deter everybody from Destiny. Personal mission, no no no, I was sent on a holy mission to end Destiny.
 
Russia is freaking huge though. Imho it's very well done. Venus and mars aren't as good. Too sparse for my liking.

Don't see how Venus or Mars are anymore sparse than Old Russia, none of them have anything worthwhile to find or do really.

It's also a damn shame that the zones seem to suffer from being on last gen as well. All those hallways or long outdoor stretches that you can do nothing but zoom through on your sparrow are clearly just there to mask loading between the different areas in each zone.
 
Speaking of which, here are posts of mine that have the most berating:





*Was wrong about the Gold requirement, but you do lose a huge chunk of the game.



Three posts out of 57 that are really critical. Clearly I'm an internet agent sent by EA AND Microsoft to make three critical posts to deter everybody from Destiny. Personal mission, no no no, I was sent on a holy mission to end Destiny.
Not to detract from the purpose of the thread, but I think it's exceedingly odd to devote 57 posts to discussing the reception of a game in a negative light without having played it.
 
Considering how much I love The Darkness and Wolfenstein, it's funny I've never played the game Starbreeze made in between those.

Anyway, I know Gerstmann loved it. I think it was his GOTY 2012. Maybe I'll get around to it one of these days.

Couldn't recommend it enough. Gameplay wise imagine heavy but seamless action where you feel like a more violent Matrix agent.

Great combat, and solid, chunky, loud, and meaty guns. Co-op was a hectic drug I was hopelessly hooked on for a while.

Never got into co-op, but I replayed single player right after beating it on medium. Replaying it for a third time and I'm having even more fun than before. Every single weapon feels good to use, they nailed simple weapon variety, where there aren't that many guns but they all have specific functions for combat.

Not to detract from the purpose of the thread, but I think it's exceedingly odd to devote 57 posts to discussing the reception of a game in a negative light without having played it.

Most of my posts are on discussing a number of things, not shitting on Destiny.
 
Story isnt that important in the grand scheme of things, I am suprised tho at the fact there's nothing really stand out about the game, just a big sphere.
 

But... I fail to see how it's anything like Eve Online where you exist in a harsh world where any player can come try to take your shit. What part of this game is like Eve Online? Persistent universe? In what way? I guess persistence that enemies Respawn in seconds, making those enemies persistent to that engagement area.

How does it compel you to explore? Even Borderlands had hidden loot chests with more than simply currency contained within. Destiny has what rewards for exploration?
 
Considering how much I love The Darkness and Wolfenstein, it's funny I've never played the game Starbreeze made in between those.

Anyway, I know Gerstmann loved it. I think it was his GOTY 2012. Maybe I'll get around to it one of these days.

You might be disappointed if there is no one playing the co-op anymore. That is the strongest part of the game by a significant margin, the campaign was really weak outside of one interesting boss fight.

I would add Bioshock 2 and Stalker CoP to the list of good post 2007 FPSs (both are the best of their respective series IMO).
 
Don't see how Venus or Mars are anymore sparse than Old Russia, none of them have anything worthwhile to find or do really.

It's also a damn shame that the zones seem to suffer from being on last gen as well. All those hallways or long outdoor stretches that you can do nothing but zoom through on your sparrow are clearly just there to mask loading between the different areas in each zone.
Old Russia doesn't have that spaced out feeling to me that mars and venus have. There are more enemies and more ghosts to find. I disagree about nothing worth exploring for. The ghosts to me are really cool to find. Not really sure why since it's a total pain to use the grimoire.
 
I'm seriously amazed that someone who supposedly writes for a living can make this mistake.

I'm not any longer. So many "journalists" (aka bloggers) have typos left and right, and it started to get really apparent around 2006.

I had a vague interest in this game until they announced it was going to be exclusive to consoles (until the inevitable PC announcement six months after the sales start to dwindle), but the game didn't look like much of anything new to me. I've played Doom. I've played Quake. I've played Halo and I've played Borderlands.
 
Most of my posts are on discussing a number of things, not shitting on Destiny.

Just, I don't know, try and make it clearer from where you're coming from when you jump in. Bad enough hearing:

  • You all just fell for hype
  • You shouldn't expect anything more than the beta content
  • You're expectations were too high
  • There shouldn't be criticism since people are enjoying the game
  • You hate the game because you're criticizing it
  • Have an agenda to hate this game
  • You're ruining my enjoyment for your posts existing
  • You need to wait until after the raid/DLC/patches/updates/etc to criticize since they may get fixed

And so on and so forth without adding the 'They probably haven't even played it' to the list.

Again, don't want you out of the discussion. The only people I'd say that to are those offering that dish to me or others.
 
Destiny could take some advice from Planetside 2.

I'm of the opposite mindset. The game they obviously wanted to create would have functioned better with a Borderlands style server list with options for whatever game mode you wanted to play. This fake "see those other people you can't interact with? That makes this like an MMO" style of game design is pretty poor to be honest. Let players create a group and have some sort of server list or matchmaking for each game mode. This fake ass "we all exist in the same world" is a shallow facade that has already been seen through.
 
I didn't think people had to have purchased and played through a game to discuss concerns brought up in reviews in a review thread.

I think it's unfair to dismiss MormaPope here.
 
I don't think Bungie is Bungie of old, a lot of the employees are at Microsoft and the creator of Halo is not even at Bungie anymore. The fact that the team expanded so much, didn't help either. I believe if they were still under Microsoft a lot of people would be like, look Microsoft killed another developer. Maybe Destiny 2 will be better, with less hype this time.
 
So how much light equals a level?

About 20 I think, buddy has the copy for the night so I'll have to ask him when I head over to pick him up for the weekend.

I didn't think people had to have purchased and played through a game to discuss concerns brought up in reviews in a review thread.

I think it's unfair to dismiss MormaPope here.

Agreed. Same with people who haven't bought it still excited to play it and liking what they see/hear.
 
Bungie and Activision always said from the beginning that Destiny is a "shared world shooter" and no MMO, because it wont have the size of a MMO game. I dont get why people critizie that, it was one of the first infos we get about the game and Bungie never get tired of using the term shared world shooter
 
Bungie and Activision always said from the beginning that Destiny is a "shared world shooter" and no MMO, because it wont have the size of a MMO game. I dont get why people critizie that, it was one of the first infos we get about the game and Bungie never get tired of using the term shared world shooter

What's the point of a "shared world shooter" if you don't share much at all and the overall result is less social features than Borderlands? Either go full MMO or don't bother is what I say. This half-assed result because of trying to fit into a fundamentally flawed mold isn't a good thing.
 
Bungie and Activision always said from the beginning that Destiny is a "shared world shooter" and no MMO, because it wont have the size of a MMO game. I dont get why people critizie that, it was one of the first infos we get about the game and Bungie never get tired of using the term shared world shooter

The MMO argument is a straw man. Personally, I could care less what the game is labelled as. All I care is what is in it and how it appeals to me as a player. And right now that shared world stuff that is in there is lackluster to me, between the Jane Goodall communication with randoms (Bungie is taking their ape stuff too far), no matchmaking in missions or Raid (reasons I understand, but kind of insulting all the same), and no clan support. There's also server issues with the public events, which kind of kills the patrol stuff in that regard.
 
I didn't think people had to have purchased and played through a game to discuss concerns brought up in reviews in a review thread.

I think it's unfair to dismiss MormaPope here.

Thank you.

About 20 I think, buddy has the copy for the night so I'll have to ask him when I head over to pick him up for the weekend.



Agreed. Same with people who haven't bought it still excited to play it and liking what they see/hear.

The tipping point for me will be how much free content is added or part of the game naturally over time. Destiny looks really fun to play, but I hated how Borderlands 2 was when it came to combat design and confrontation design.
 
I don't think Bungie is Bungie of old, a lot of the employees are at Microsoft and the creator of Halo is not even at Bungie anymore. The fact that the team expanded so much, didn't help either. I believe if they were still under Microsoft a lot of people would be like, look Microsoft killed another developer. Maybe Destiny 2 will be better, with less hype this time.

First destiny definitely has the halo feel just not the extensive modes in mp. Second why does hype change a game for you and others? If it's hyped up or not it's the exact same game.
 
I don't think Bungie is Bungie of old, a lot of the employees are at Microsoft and the creator of Halo is not even at Bungie anymore. The fact that the team expanded so much, didn't help either. I believe if they were still under Microsoft a lot of people would be like, look Microsoft killed another developer. Maybe Destiny 2 will be better, with less hype this time.

Who generated this hype? Bungie and Activision created much of this hype on their own.
 
So how much light equals a level?

Put your cursor over your light level. It will tell you how many more light you need.

I didn't think people had to have purchased and played through a game to discuss concerns brought up in reviews in a review thread.

I think it's unfair to dismiss MormaPope here.

I think it's completely fair. If you haven't played through the game you don't have any context to discuss it besides to parrot what you have read or heard. It's like discussing a book based solely on reviews and excerpts. It's pointless and not accurate.
 
I didn't think people had to have purchased and played through a game to discuss concerns brought up in reviews in a review thread.

I think it's unfair to dismiss MormaPope here.

These are some of the posts he's made. Bare in mind yet again, he doesn't even own the game.

In response to positive reviews.

People like to shit on IGN's reviews, but man. Hyperbolic and ignorant at the same time with the bolded.

Suggesting Destiny as one of the best single player shooters out there seems laughable compared to other impressions.

Their review scale is pretty damn goofy.

If somebody is looking for a single player first person shooter, there are a ton of other games that have stronger single player components. Of course that is the reviewer's opinion, but I find that opinion to be presented extremely poorly and without much elaboration.

Making judgements about the game's narrative and lore, again without even having played it.

People that play the game alone, or don't have co-op friends on speed dial, are treated to a non story with absolutely no elaboration and are given no context when it comes to lore. Before the game is released someone from Bungie compared Destiny's possible legacy to Star Wars and Lord of the Rings. These expectations of there simply being a story aren't manufactured, people expected some sort of competent story telling.

What is with these gutter level standards when it comes to AAA titles all of a sudden? If Bungie wanted Destiny to have a background story but tons of lore to fill in the blanks, they fucking failed, extravagantly. People don't play Dark Souls 1&2 for their stories, but the constant lore and world details allow people to entertain themselves within the game world.

Halo 4 is better even though I haven't played Destiny.

I brought up Halo 4 because it has similar story and narrative issues compared to Destiny, and besides getting a ton of flack, it'll probably end up being the better game. Nobody thinks or has said "Bungie's last game, Halo 4, is ______."

Tons of Halo/Bungie fans said Destiny would be the real deal, that we're getting something incredible. Turns out Halo 4, a Halo a lot of people consider to be the weakest, is just as good or competent than Destiny.

Its weird how Halo 4 and Destiny have similar issues when it comes to narrative and storytelling. Halo 4's plot felt aimless and non important due to the important lore not being fleshed out in the game but elsewhere, Destiny's plot feels aimless due to important lore not being fleshed out in the game but elsewhere.

People might find this to be to be untrue, but, Halo 4 is probably a better game than Destiny.
 
First destiny definitely has the halo feel. Second why does hype change a game for you and others? If it's hyped up or not it's the exact same game.
Just to add to that its not hard to make game that feels like Halo, 343 industries done it, it's hard to make a game that is as good as Halo, because its the little things that count in Halo. I don't think new Bungie can create what old Bungie created. I also think its hype set up the game to fail and I think Bungie got caught up in their own hype a little, like 'we the creators of Halo' type of thing. Don't take my word for it, but they need to be a bit more humble this time and show us and not tell. I just feel since they have to prove themselves this time around (they didn't have to before since they are the creators of freaking Halo), it will be put up or shut up this time around. Time will tell.
 
These are some of the posts he's made. Bare in mind yet again, he doesn't even own the game.

In response to positive reviews.







Making judgements about the game's narrative and lore, again without even having played it.



Halo is better even though I haven't properly played Destiny.

Are you trying to character assassinate me or something?

I've watched cutscenes from livestreams and youtube, I've seen the ending. Do I really need to play the game to criticize the narrative? The "their scale is pretty damn goofy" assertion is for Cheat Code Central, where the reviewer played for 6 hours and gave the game a 9/10, and their review scale is pretty damn goofy.
 
Is it possible to know how many unique posters we have in here?

Why? It's bad enough as it is without trying to have 'us vs them' measuring contest, especially if it's going to be construed as haters vs normal. If that's what you're getting at. If it bothers folks so much there is criticism or wanting the satisfaction of being the majority, there's the |OT|. Most people are primarily criticizing here because the |OT| was damned hostile to any of it and the multiple people coming in here picking fights isn't pointing at there being any improvement to that situation.

Edit: If I'm coming off too defensive for a harmless question/proposal, I apologize but it's getting ridiculous.
So when do people expect the rest of the usual outlets to put up their final reviews? I'm almost morbidly curious at this point

Some will get them out tomorrow at least. Monday the latest.
 
The MMO argument is a straw man. Personally, I could care less what the game is labelled as. All I care is what is in it and how it appeals to me as a player. And right now that shared world stuff that is in there is lackluster to me, between the Jane Goodall communication with randoms (Bungie is taking their ape stuff too far), no matchmaking in missions or Raid (reasons I understand, but kind of insulting all the same), and no clan support. There's also server issues with the public events, which kind of kills the patrol stuff in that regard.
I agree that theres a lot of stuff bungie has to fix oder add with patches. But we knew all of this, we knew there would be no chatting system and no matchmaking for raids. Im not saying its good that they dont include that, but every person who bought the game could easily find that out by playing the beta or just google some infos about the game.

Im not happy with the lackluster of story, the repetitive gameplay, missing ingame clan support, etc - But I dont feel mislead by Bungie. Overall I think Destiny is a good introduction to the franchise but with a lot of things Bungie definitely can do better and did much better in the past. I even think they cutted some things out on purpose to make Destiny 2 more appealing (like the announced Chicago area, or the fifth enemy race).

Right now I played about 15 hours I guess and still cant get enough - To me even with the small amount of content it delivers much more than a CoD of BF game. I enjoy it more than any Borderlands too.
 
Are you trying to character assassinate me or something?

I've watched cutscenes from livestreams and youtube, I've seen the ending. Do I really need to play the game to criticize the narrative?

Nice edit. You're character assassinating yourself. I already won't ever listen to you again on anything. It's pretty laughable at this point.

I think its hype set up the game to fail and I think Bungie got caught up in their own hype a little, like 'we the creators of Halo' type of thing. Don't take my word for it, but they need to be a bit more humble this time and show us and not tell. I just feel since they have to prove themselves this time around (they didn't have to before since they are the creators of freaking Halo), it will be put up or shut up this time around. Time will tell.

Don't let the little backlash here fool you. Destiny already is a success. Shipping 500 million on day 1 is what the expected to sell the first year according to activision. Bungie is already essentially playing with house money. Unless Activision pulled ET levels of channel stuffing Destiny will beat projections and sell over 10 million copies it's first year. It's a success. The only thing to debate is how large a success and will the dlc sell.
 
Are you trying to character assassinate me or something?

I've watched cutscenes from livestreams and youtube, I've seen the ending. Do I really need to play the game to criticize the narrative?

You're not fooling me mate. Sounds like some of the Last of Us has no gameplay bullshit from those who've never played it all over again. Because "I don't need to have played it, I watched it on YouTube!"

Don't know if you realise this, but watching Livestreams and YouTube videos doesn't offer the same experience as actually playing a game….


And when you claim Halo 4 is or will be the better game multiple times, that implies you're talking about more than just narrative, but the overall game and gameplay itself. But nice try.
 
You're not fooling me mate. Sounds like some of the Last of Us has no gameplay bullshit from those who've never played it all over again. Because "I don't need to have played it, I watched it on YouTube!"

Don't know if you realise this, but watching Livestreams and YouTube videos doesn't offer the same experience as actually playing a game….

I don't think I've offended somebody so easily, on accident. What story themes or narrative are conveyed through gameplay? Is Destiny like Silent Hill 2 where the actual gameplay is part of the game's themes and vice versa? I've said the game looks fun for fuck sakes, that I'm on the edge of buying it.

The amount of angst and anger over what I posted is disturbing.

And when you claim Halo 4 is or will be the better game multiple times, that implies you're talking about more than just narrative, but the overall game and gameplay itself. But nice try.

I'm not allowed to guess how much I'll fancy a game?
 
You're not fooling me mate. Sounds like some of the Last of Us has no gameplay bullshit from those who've never played it all over again. Because "I don't need to have played it, I watched it on YouTube!"

Don't know if you realise this, but watching Livestreams and YouTube videos doesn't offer the same experience as actually playing a game….


And when you claim Halo 4 is or will be the better game multiple times, that implies your'e talking about more than just narrative, but the overall game and gameplay itself. But nice try.

That tlou not having gameplay thing actually got me to delay the purchase of it until ps4 and man that game is sweet. I should have picked it up at launch.

I don't think I've offended somebody so easily, on accident. What story themes or narrative are conveyed through gameplay? Is Destiny like Silent Hill 2 where the actual gameplay is part of the game's themes and vice versa? I've said the game looks fun for fuck sakes, that I'm on the edge of buying it.

The amount of angst and anger over what I posted is disturbing.

No one is angry or angsty. He's just destroying your arguments and examples like they are wet paper. I don't see how you would ever buy destiny based on your posts, which is nibs entire point. That your posts are nonsensical when taken on a whole.
 
I agree that theres a lot of stuff bungie has to fix oder add with patches. But we knew all of this, we knew there would be no chatting system and no matchmaking for raids. Im not saying its good that they dont include that, but every person who bought the game could easily find that out by playing the beta or just google some infos about the game.

Im not happy with the lackluster of story, the repetitive gameplay, missing ingame clan support, etc - But I dont feel mislead by Bungie. Overall I think Destiny is a good introduction to the franchise but with a lot of things Bungie definitely can do better and did much better in the past. I even think they cutted some things out on purpose to make Destiny 2 more appealing (like the announced Chicago area, or the fifth enemy race).

Right now I played about 15 hours I guess and still cant get enough - To me even with the small amount of content it delivers much more than a CoD of BF game. I enjoy it more than any Borderlands too.

I actually agree with you 100%. I didn't follow the marketing outside the Alpha/Beta, so I came into the game pretty malleable as far as impressions go. And I just mentioned the Raid when it came to matchmaking because I feel that as it gets into the wild, Bungie might have underestimated their audience.

I'm enjoying the gameplay loop. It's nothing remarkable, but it's doing enough right to keep me hooked. But I kind of get all the moment-to-moment stuff out of me with the friend that I'm switching the copy between and switching controller time, so a lot of the |OT| discussion is pretty useless. The criticisms I have though I felt i could discuss here since my friend couldn't give a shit unless it's about the military, politics, philosophy, or religion. Then it's debate time.

So yes, I am coming off primarily at one side, but that's because the rest of it is out of my system from elsewhere. I just hope things can develop a bit more healthy as the release madness dies down.
 
Don't let the little backlash here fool you. Destiny already is a success. Shipping 500 million on day 1 is what the expected to sell the first year according to activision. Bungie is already essentially playing with house money. Unless Activision pulled ET levels of channel stuffing Destiny will beat projections and sell over 10 million copies it's first year. It's a success. The only thing to debate is how large a success and will the dlc sell.
Ohhhh I know it will sell more than enough. But doesn't change the quality of the game. That's why I'm hoping Destiny 2 is better. And even if the game sells well, and the general feedback is that the game is overhyped what position does it put Destiny 2. By the time Destiny 2 releases they will be Halo firstly and plenty of other games so no more game drought. I think Destiny 2 will need to prove itself.
 
No one is angry or angsty. He's just destroying your arguments and examples like they are wet paper. I don't see how you would ever buy destiny based on your posts, which is nibs entire point. That your posts are nonsensical when taken on a whole.

Destroying what arguments? I admitted to not owning the game like 20 (or 40) pages ago.

How do you know that I'd never buy Destiny? Think about what you're posting.

If my opinion means so little, why the fuck am I getting attacked so harshly? Ignore me. In fact, nobody has jumped on my back for those posts except you two.
 
These are some of the posts he's made. Bare in mind yet again, he doesn't even own the game.

In response to positive reviews.







Making judgements about the game's narrative and lore, again without even having played it.



Halo 4 is better even though I haven't played Destiny.

I have played destiny.

As an all round experience, the game is poor.

Pure and simple.

The story telling is poor.

The story is poor.

Navigation from area to area is sickeni gly bad and destroys immersion every time by ridiculous amounts of loading screens.

For a game focused on sharing a multiplayer experience, the community aspect is extremely poor.

The characters have ZERO soul.

New weapons are just the same weapons you started with with different camo and stats.

There are different factions to join that have zero bearing on anything.

The PvP is extremely pedestrian.



There is absolutely nothing refreshing about the game.

It is a collation of well received, yet overly represented ideas and mechanics from many other games in the industry, with seemingly no effort to make sure any parts of the New born Frankenstein were created with any passion or creativity behind them.


That's what I'd call this game. Frankenstein.

When you look at it, you easily tell that different parts of it's body has been sawn off and stuck together with other recognisable parts. But if cohesion, passion, immersion, narrative and originality are what makes a beast like that beautiful, then Destiny is one ugly son of a bitch.

If this wasn't a "first party" title for a platform and new gen with tonnes of momentum, this game would be scoring sixes.

If this is how were getting away from all the cod clones, then please give me back my damn cod clones.


Furthermore, this is next gen. This game should have been skyrim with blasters and aliens, or even gta on mars, not some kind of poorly done WoW wannabe with guns and ridiculous amounts of time on Loading screens.
 
No one is angry or angsty. He's just destroying your arguments and examples like they are wet paper. I don't see how you would ever buy destiny based on your posts, which is nibs entire point. That your posts are nonsensical when taken on a whole.

No, there are no counter arguments in nib's post, just "you are wrong because I say so". If you or nib think that Destiny has a strong story/lore, say so and why. I doubt that you can come up with anything though, it's a literal mess.


The Halo 4 thing was a bit of a non sequitur though.
 
You're not fooling me mate. Sounds like some of the Last of Us has no gameplay bullshit from those who've never played it all over again. Because "I don't need to have played it, I watched it on YouTube!"

Don't know if you realise this, but watching Livestreams and YouTube videos doesn't offer the same experience as actually playing a game….


And when you claim Halo 4 is or will be the better game multiple times, that implies you're talking about more than just narrative, but the overall game and gameplay itself. But nice try.

He's not wrong in this particular case though, at all. You'd have to be high to think the narrative in Destiny is decent. The mission structure also boils down to two different objective types, put down ghost and hold off waves, or kill a bunch of enemies(With a boss thrown in occasionally) to put down the ghost.

There's the rare thing that mixes it up but even then it's still fundamentally a mini horde mode. Like the sword mission on the moon for example. I've got a sword that lets me slice and dice, cool beans(Absurd that they only have it for one mission, but w/e), it's still wait around and kill 3 bosses.

Unless you plan to actually defend this game's story and mission design, and not just the gameplay itself, I don't understand what's wrong with Morma's comments.
 
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