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[NullPointer]

Me back then:

Yeah, that was a strange thread. There has been a whiff of Koolaid about this game that has kept me out of the OTs. Optimism and hype can be great, but it also felt like there was a shitton of purely wishful thinking going on - more than I've ever seen anyway.

Me in that thread:

I've seen this game heralded as insanely ambitious, huge, and "like Skyrim" in exploration potential.

I've never understood why any of those terms have been applied to Destiny and I've been devouring media and playing the alpha and beta to see it, but its not there.

It'll be a fine game that I play the hell out of, but I think its ambition has been overstated by quite a bit.

 

[ANDS]

Okay? What did he say wrong?

Nothing. They said in the closed door E3 demo that Destiny was going to continually be expanding. People here though want to cherry pick comments and pretend that they were going to get EVERYTHING at drop.

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

Okay? What did he say wrong?

The thread was about the level design and the # of areas per planet in the game. The pr guy said nothing about that

 

[MormaPope]

Bungie should beg Microsoft to allow them to develop halo games again. Bungie goes independent to make a average game and insomniac goes independent to make a terrible game. Who's next? The gears of war guy is next.

Epic was always independent, and the Gears IP wasn't bought until this year I believe.

 

[Z3M0G]

GT posted an "Editorial" about the game (Review isn't ready yet):

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/6yprqc/destiny-report--destiny-launch-recap

And it also seems to be in line with what most people are saying.
Not terrible but really really underwhelming



Do you honesly thing the game will stop selling?
The reviews might hurt sales but it's still an incredibly hyped game and it will still sell a TON. Not to mention that there are A LOT of people that just buy the next big game they saw in all the ads and right now that's Destiny

No, but it is not just a retailers problem.

 

[RK9039]

Yes, I will check this game out now.

 

[Majine]

Diablo 3 was a better game than Destiny. Better character progression, more replay value, more loot, cooler gear names (Fjord Cutter, I mean come on, that's badass), etc.

 

[Chiggs]

At least Bungie didn't put out an ad campaign claiming they would make us their bitches.

Yes, Daikatana was worse...but far funnier.

 

[antitrop]

Did you read the bolded? There is no increase in breath or scope with the game past the moon. Reaching level 20 isn't a huge game changer.

Yup, game plays the same at Level 8 as it does at 18.

Can't say the same for the games that Destiny wishes it was as good as. The sense of character progression is remarkably poor and unsatisfying.

 

[SneakyStephan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1OjUWw43co

Are they even talking about the same game???

a few minutes in this trailer he mentions the planets you'd be able to play in the game once it's out.
earth ,moon, mars, venus and saturn
Now you know what the first dlc will be.

He also talks about raids, like more than one

 

[ArkkAngel007]

This is just perfect.

 

[Astral Dog]

$500m sales day one.

They are probably whipping their asses with money right now. Money, guys.

 

[Gaz_RB]

Any word from Bungee yet? Addressing the large criticisms of repetitive and boring content?

They can't be feeling too good about these reviews.

I've heard that they are taking the criticism pretty hard internally.

 

[Zakalwe]

You know damn well if Bungie's name wasn't on this the reviews would be even worse.

I actually think it would be the exact opposite.

 

[Ol No Bones]

Bungie should beg Microsoft to allow them to develop halo games again. Bungie goes independent to make a average game and insomniac goes independent to make a terrible game. Who's next? The gears of war guy is next.

This post. Its so bad.

 

[Zoned]

lol

 

[Mr Moose]

there was a brief moment of measured scepticism in the "only one area per planet" thread, which was quickly derailed when a bungie employee graced the thread with their presence and did a quick bit of fluffy PR wrangling; causing everyone to drop to their knees in starstruck reverence, chastising themselves and others for ever doubting.

Are you sure that's what happened? I thought people said that the Bungie employee didn't really answer anything or ease concerns.

 

[Alienous]

I've heard that they are taking the criticism pretty hard internally.

I know that Bungie is too good a studio for this to have caught them by surprise. They probably thought they had done 'just enough', and truth be told they did, but 'just enough' gets you a 75 Metacritic game.

 

[The Librarian]

He/she came into a thread and attempted to deflate discussion and criticism with fluffy PR. He didn't say anything wrong in a sense, but it seems sorta grimy.

Did you read the bolded? There is no increase in breath or scope with the game past the moon. Reaching level 20 isn't a huge game changer.

Urk said there'd be a lot of stuff to do in the game, there is. Urk said Destiny's their biggest game, it is. He said they'll try to have players interested for a long time – and if you look up Bungie's website, they're doing just that. In that way, he addressed concerns in the thread that just because there are four planets doesn't mean there isn't plenty of stuff to do.

 

[DoubleTake]

The other game im picking up this month. Will probably end up being the one I sink the most time into.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Diablo 3 was a better game than Destiny. Better character progression, more replay value, more loot, cooler gear names (Fjord Cutter, I mean come on, that's badass), etc.

Ofcourse. Diablo's loot is more frequent and accessible on the fly. Seeing a beam cracks me up and its a Legendary item. A green beam is a green item. Go in menu, hold square and presto.

Now Destiny. Finally dat Legendary engram eh? Go to the fucking decrypter and endure a loading screen to boot... to find out its just some fucking rare or item. Fucking waste of time. And whats more, due to the frequency of loot it might be another few hours before the next piece of loot drops thats likely crappy again. I start to hate that fucking tower.

AVGN should review this in the future; 'what were they thinking?'.

 

[Zakalwe]

Are you sure that's what happened? I thought people said that the Bungie employee didn't really answer anything or ease concerns.

It's not what happened.

Some people were engaging in light hearted trolling/derailing, the Bungie guy joined in, made it worse/better until a mod told everyone to chill.

Bungie guy apologised and said he was just letting off steam.

Aside from that he just repeated the company line a few times and a few quoted him in response. People weren't hanging on his every word or anything.

 

[Coffee Dog]

I've heard that they are taking the criticism pretty hard internally.

That's actually really good news. Many of the criticisms are justified, and if they're addressed, they could make something really great out of it.

 

[BBboy20]

Too bad Smash Bros 3DS, Evil Within, Legend of Korra, and Bayonetta 2 also come out that month but I'll wait and see, Monolith.

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

Are you sure that's what happened? I thought people said that the Bungie employee didn't really answer anything or ease concerns.

Go click on the quote and check out the whole page of comments after Urk's quote. It takes like 50 comments later for people to come to their senses.

 

[MormaPope]

Urk said there'd be a lot of stuff to do in the game, there is. Urk said Destiny's their biggest game, it is. He said they'll try to have players interested for a long time – and if you look up Bungie's website, they're doing just that. In that way, he addressed concerns in the thread that just because there are four planets doesn't mean there isn't plenty of stuff to do.

Comes down to semantics. Picking up 10 million pieces of hair in a apartment complex is technically a lot more to do than clean your own house, but cleaning your own house is going to amount to more varied actions and such.

 

[Dr_LucienSanchez]

Bungie should beg Microsoft to allow them to develop halo games again.

Hahahahahhahah. This is just awful.

There really are some people who are still extremely bitter over bungie/halo/ms, as is evident in this thread.

 

[FallbackPants]

I'm still super early in the game and while I'm really enjoying it the criticism it's had is pretty valid.

I'll digging the multi player though. I stuck at it, bit I'm digging it.

The storytelling seems to be a bit in line with how Bungie did things in Reach, which I wasn't a huge fan of. Just drop you in a mission and explain there rather than developing throughout the game as was the case in earlier halos.

That all said I wasn't crazy hyped so I'm not disappointed. Its a fun game.

 

[ArkkAngel007]

Too bad Smash Bros 3DS, Evil Within, Legend of Korra, and Bayonetta 2 also come out that month but I'll wait and see, Monolith.

I forgot about Platinum's Legend of Korra game, mostly since the month's connection to that series is Book 4!

Dammit, I thought the month would be wide open for me outside of Evil Within and maybe Alien Isolation.

Spoiler

Wii U is 900 miles away : (

 

[The Librarian]

Comes down to semantics. Picking up 10 million pieces of hair in a apartment complex is technically a lot more to do than clean your own house, but cleaning your own house is going to amount to more varied actions and such.

I think you're being ridiculous. If you don't think the game offers a lot to do, that's fine, that's your opinion, but that doesn't make it fact.

 

[VanWinkle]

Hahah nice. Can't wait for SoM.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

I've heard that they are taking the criticism pretty hard internally.

Whatever the case, I hope they realize that what they say and how they say it before release matters and that people buying on day-one hang on those words and build their expectations directly from them. I can't believe they didn't know how quickly fans would get through their initial content offering, so I'll just assume they thought people would be more cool with waiting for it to happen sometime down the line, as is their apparent thinking of feeding it out to keep things fresh. Hope they can live up their game's hype sooner than later.

 

[-MD-]

Would but I already bought Alien & Evil Within.

Definitely looks good but it'll have to wait.

 

[MormaPope]

Hahahahahhahah. This is just awful.

There really are some people who are still extremely bitter over bungie/halo/ms, as is evident in this thread.

How many people really though.

I've said Halo 4 might be the better game, even though its considered to be one of the weakest Halo titles and not made by Bungie. I've said I love Halo 1 and 3. But I don't feel Bungie needs to work on Halo ever again, that they have the right to do other things and create whatever they want to create.

I've said in the past I'd like for them to make another linear shooter versus something more open.

I think you're being ridiculous. If you don't think the game offers a lot to do, that's fine, that's your opinion, but that doesn't make it fact.

Do you assume all the things posters say in this thread are presented as fact?

Honestly that sort of comment is made when someone ends up being offended or hurt by someone's opinion. My intent was not to offend or hurt anybody.

 

[Alienous]

I think you're being ridiculous. If you don't think the game offers a lot to do, that's fine, that's your opinion, but that doesn't make it fact.

I'm not hearing an argument for why Destiny is providing interesting and varied content beyond the core story missions.

Also, opinions don't need to be stated as such. We know. If you are talking about something subjective, tacitly you and everyone else should understand that your view on it is an opinion.

 

[Dr_LucienSanchez]

I think you're being ridiculous. If you don't think the game offers a lot to do, that's fine, that's your opinion, but that doesn't make it fact.

From throughout this whole thread, it's become evident that that one poster is extremely bitter about this game. It's probably better not to engage him/her to avoid the frustration of just banging one's head against the wall over and over and over again.

 

[Einbroch]

While this game looks great, come on WB.

They took systems from like every game and smashed them all together. Still super excited, though.

 

[ANDS]

Ofcourse. Diablo's loot is more frequent and accessible on the fly. Seeing a beam cracks me up and its a Legendary item. A green beam is a green item. Go in menu, hold square and presto.

Now Destiny. Finally dat Legendary engram eh? Go to the fucking decrypter and endure a loading screen to boot... to find out its just some fucking rare or item. Fucking waste of time. And whats more, due to the frequency of loot it might be another few hours before the next piece of loot drops thats likely crappy again. I start to hate that fucking tower.

AVGN should review this in the future; 'what were they thinking?'.

And how many times has that Orange or Green been an actual upgrade. Or god help me the actual BiS for your class?

It is stunning to me that people are shitting on Destiny's "repetitiveness" but fawning over running Bounties and then Rifts for hours for very specific drops.

 

[MHWilliams]

I admit, I went into my E3 demo with no idea what to expect and came out excited.

 

[Big_Al]

I've heard that they are taking the criticism pretty hard internally.

Whilst it's understandable, it's how they react to it that's the important part. If they just bury their heads in the sand and go 'nooooope' that's no good to anyone and not what I expect from Bungie.

If they just look at all the feedback (and I'm assuming the harshest criticisms would be on their own forums) and get to work on 'fixing' things then improvements can be made and the game can be better.

My only problem in this equation is Activision. I don't have any doubts with Bungie wanting to improve things but are they under a tight schedule ? Can they take the time to do big patches/make any huge improvements etc. I hope so and expect so.

 

[Eusis]

Bungie should beg Microsoft to allow them to develop halo games again. Bungie goes independent to make a average game and insomniac goes independent to make a terrible game. Who's next? The gears of war guy is next.

This is kind of recurring I've noticed, though usually it's from key staff leaving to form a new studio (Mistwalker for instance, along with some of the other Squaresoft vet formed studios.) Not that there aren't exceptions though, Yacht Games was formed from ex-Wayforward staff and arguably made a game better than anything they did (at the least I'd say Shovel Knight's definitely on par with the best of Shantae), and while Monolith Soft was off to a somewhat rocky start it wasn't as if Xenogears or Chrono Cross had the highest praise gameplay-wise and Xenoblade eclipses those efforts in that regard and a solid chunk of SE's output, especially lately.

Bungie is different though in that it's more or less the whole studio this time, but then they spent a solid decade + as a Microsoft studio and undoubtedly expanded greatly under them. They really may barely be the studio that originally made Halo at this point.

 

[The Librarian]

I'm not hearing an argument for why Destiny is providing interesting and varied content beyond the core story missions.

There are strikes, explore, pvp, the raid, story missions. It's plenty of stuff to me – it's been five days and I'm not even through half of the game's content I figure.

I still don't see why Urk's comment was posted. He didn't say anything that was factually untrue.

 

[Alienous]

While this game looks great, come on WB.

They took systems from like every game and smashed them all together. Still super excited, though.

They've been honest about it too. They straight up have said in interviews "We play as many games as we can, and we build the strongest elements into our own, with our own unique spin".

If that makes a good game I'm all for standing on the shoulders of giants.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Urk said there'd be a lot of stuff to do in the game, there is. Urk said Destiny's their biggest game, it is. He said they'll try to have players interested for a long time – and if you look up Bungie's website, they're doing just that. In that way, he addressed concerns in the thread that just because there are four planets doesn't mean there isn't plenty of stuff to do.

I'm going to have to disagree. There isn't a lot of stuff to do in the game. The breadth and scope of what the game is trying to achieve with the later planets isn't any bigger than what's attempted on the Earth and Moon. What are they doing to keep people interested? Playlists and the raid?

 

[MormaPope]

From throughout this whole thread, it's become evident that that one poster is extremely bitter about this game. It's probably better not to engage him/her to avoid the frustration of just banging one's head against the wall over and over and over again.

Attack my arguments or refrain from shit talking me. I'm not going to get bullied out of this thread.

 

[SkylineRKR]

And how many times has that Orange or Green been an actual upgrade. Or god help me the actual BiS for your class?

It is stunning to me that people are shitting on Destiny's "repetitiveness" but fawning over running Bounties and then Rifts for hours for very specific drops.

The disappointment of not getting an improvement is easier washed away by the fact you know the next one will drop sooner or later and you know you don't have to abandon your game to check it out. Besides, you can basically trade by dropping.

Blizzard just did it better. But there is hope for Destiny as vanilla Diablo was a shitfest too.

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

I've heard that they are taking the criticism pretty hard internally.

Bungie held back review copies. They knew.

 

[Eddie Griffin]

$500m sales day one.

Lol. But seriously, a game with that much hype should have done 1-2 million.by now.

 

[The Librarian]

Do you assume all the things posters say in this thread are presented as fact?

Honestly that sort of comment is made when someone ends up being offended or hurt by someone's opinion. My intent was not to offend or hurt anybody.

A lot of people are saying things and posting them as if it's a fact when the comments are totally baseless, yes.

I'm not upset or offended by your opinion, dude. It doesn't affect me. My problem was that you posted urk's comment to make the case he was lying but using subjective evidence, which isn't at all helpful to the discussion.

 

[MormaPope]

There are strikes, explore, pvp, the raid, story missions. It's plenty of stuff to me – it's been five days and I'm not even through half of the game's content I figure.

I still don't see why Urk's comment was posted. He didn't say anything that was factually untrue.

"A lot to do" makes me think of all the side missions and activities in San Andreas for example, vehicle types, what can be leveled up, hidden collectables. Rather than thinking about how may variations there are when it comes to killing people. Once again, semantics.

A lot of people are saying things and posting them as if it's a fact when the comments are totally baseless, yes.

I'm not upset or offended by your opinion, dude. It doesn't affect me. My problem was that you posted urk's comment to make the case he was lying but using subjective evidence, which isn't at all helpful to the discussion.

No, they aren't. My problem with Urk is he performed strategic PR on a forum to deflect criticism.