Have some people in this thread played video games before? Destiny is a 10 year plan. Did people honestly think they'd just collect the weapons in the base game and that would be it for the series? Just because some people chose to waste hundreds of hours grinding the same content over and over doesn't mean Bungie is just going to let the game atrophy and die.
Destiny's year one legendary gear isn't upgradeable in year two
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Have some people in this thread played video games before? Destiny is a 10 year plan. Did people honestly think they'd just collect the weapons in the base game and that would be it for the series? Just because some people chose to waste hundreds of hours grinding the same content over and over doesn't mean Bungie is just going to let the game atrophy and die.
Neither am I. It's all a ploy to get us to scrap GOOD weapons for that garbage they're trotting out now. There were no good vendor/cruci/strike handcannons from TDB and HoW that even came close to TDYK. So glad I bought it when I did.
90% of all the guns in the expansions are garbage compared to the vanilla game so of course people don't like it. and yes, if none of the new guns are any good, then it's not worth playing.
But Bungie told us that Destiny isn't an MMO.
Clairvoyance
Member
Plenty of guns are good, it's just that the guns like Fatebringer, VoC, and Black Hammer were TOO good. After the reactions to Black Hammer getting nerfed, it's painfully obvious that Bungie is making the right choice in leaving those weapons behind. Just looking at the rage over Gjallarhorn's nerf as well makes it apparent that a few VERY vocal players love to get mad over some much-needed changes to the game.
SteveO1683
Member
Gotta love how they made a material for only four months of useage.
hopefully their new TTK exotic weapons aren't joke shit like NLB and Dragon's Breath.
Clairvoyance
Member
Huh? HoW has really good legendary weapons. And the exotics aren't that great. What game are you playing?
This is a good thing if the guns are any good. I spent a ton of time in Destiny and never got a Fatebringer (stupid Templar) or Gjallarhorn (although after recent nerf no idea if people still require you to have one to easily get a high level group). Still don't know if I am going to get the expansion since I quit the game and rarely go back to a game once I am done with it.
Clairvoyance
Member
HoW weapons weren't that great for PvE, which is the only aspect of the game that will be effected by the inability to upgrade weapons. Well, and Trials as well, but no raid meant no truly great PVE legendaries. Unless you count doing more damage to shanks as a good perk...
Ah, true. There are so many great legendaryweapons but most are PvP focused.
GusZamboni
Member
agreed, the pve primary dont even have elements, and i just dont know why the f@#$ the pvp ones does! and its a 9/0 on trials to get one, almost impossible for someone that does not play pvp at all.
You think had they decided with going ahead and allowing the year 1 weapons to be upgraded they would have used Etheric light for them? If you did then it was really your fault to think so, it was easy to take the hint from how Bungie has been managing currencies since day one for each DLC.
I never farmed Etheric light, have about 20-30 spare and I have all my weapons and armour even the duplicates upgraded. But then I play PvP, barely even played PvE though since HoW.
Liquidsnake
Banned
So should I go ahead and dismantle my Fatebringer, VOC before I throw the Destiny disc out the window?
Falchion
Member
I'd honestly rather be able to keep the legendary instead of exotics. I'll take my Vision of Confluence, Fatebringer, and Final Verdict over Gjallarhorn, Thorn, and even Icebreaker any day.
Clairvoyance
Member
Sure.
GusZamboni
Member
well, the upgrading stuff on destiny is no easy task, so you do not count on the old weapons to go on, its a bonus for you hard effort
They are pretty much trash tier. There is absolutely no reason to pick these hybrid weapons over the real thing. For instance the Bow provides absolutely nothing over a sniper rifle, infact it's harder to use because of it's projectile based bullet and charge time required. Dreg's Promise is a crap tier gun in a crap tier weapon class, and there is nothing that Lord of Wolves provides that makes it worthy of replacing any of the several legendary shotguns in the game in both PvE and PvP.
Absolutely. I deleted my characters, uninstalled World of Warcraft, and threw all the install discs in the trash when Burning Crusade came out.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
This is good news to me. HoW feels stale because of ascension and not having a raid. Ready for the new. Will probably take a break until sept though.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Would be funny if people dismantle all their good stuff again only to realize it was a big mistake. In fact, cozmo is warning you not to already but do it anyways guys, for the sweet reactions.
Aztechnology
Member
One of the big problems is what you've mentioned by "good weapons". I feel like that's kind of misleading when what you really mean is weapons that can compete with or replace exotics. Unless you remove the current exotics and essentially make the future ones less powerful across the board you are right back to the same issue where nothing is really "good". This is because it can't go toe to toe with exotics since exotic strength is then essentially the bar you have to meet to be "good". It's not that Bungie can't design weapons, they just can't make them good enough without the risk on invalidating exotics and pissing people off. This is a game I don't think they can fix without overhauling the entire concept of their system. Which probably means it will continue to be a broken mess until Destiny 2, where they can essentially just start from scratch.
Edit: Exotics were a mistake, they are nothing but trash.
I'm secretly hoping that the buff to the Lord of Wolves healing radius will make that gun tons of fun to use in PvE content. Of course, I've always been a lover of support classes and abilities.
I'm still trying to process what this all means.... Don't expect me to break things down that are "frozen in time", you already hit me with that line of bull and thank goodness I hadn't broke down my VoG gear. Better, better be more vault space. But why not throw out all the year one exotics? At least then I know I have something that's special and can never be gotten again for all the time that I have spent.
Goodacre0081
Member
it's been a bit of a clusterfuck with the way Bungie has handled this. from not allowing people to upgrade in TDB to changing their minds for HoW and taking it back out for TTK is pretty telling that they didn't have a plan in the first place. I would have been fine with keeping Etheric light out of the game and simply letting go of my legendary items.
Gillian Seed
Banned
So my hard earned collection of Jewel Of Osiris and The Scholar in every element are going to be obsolete on September 15th? What's the point of even running Trials Of Osiris then? Smh
It's kind of gross that people are mad at this. The same people complaining destiny never changes and you do the same thing repetitively over and over again and yet there's this vocal minority complaining that they can't use the same weapons and gear over and over again. Goodness, I know the rhetoric for months has been to shit on destiny but cmon even when a great decision happens people are still mad.
Absolutely. It's kind of hilarious to see so many people who would rather wallow in Destiny's current mediocrity than allow the game to improve because it might force them to pick up new gear. It's especially amazing because picking up new gear is almost the entire point of Destiny as a game.
It's like some kind of ouroboros argument
truthfully bungie should not have even given the option to ascend gear if they had known it would only be for a few months.
On the flip side, in PVE most people's loadouts are just "vanilla" destiny weapons (fatebringer, gally,VoC, ect..) as the buffs are way way better then the crap in HoW so I see why they are doing this.
Rookie mistake on their part
Yeah it's their mistake for setting a precedence of "we're going to allow you to upgrade everythin....but only for these first two DLC!" That being said this is the better choice for an evolution of the game.
Aztechnology
Member
to be fair, it really did not take long to ascend any weapon to 365.
The biggest hurdle was finding people to run PoE after the second week
qa_engineer
Member
So my Vision of Confluence, Praedyth's Revenge, Fatebringer, Found Verdict, Blackhammer, Hunger of Crota, Timur's Lash, Efrideet's Spear (sans final round) etc. will all be useless going forward?
Jesus H. Chris, Bungie. Take one step forward and then two steps back.
Jesus H. Chris, Bungie. Take one step forward and then two steps back.
Saucycarpdog
Member
I think the biggest problem right now for them when it comes to thinking of new weapons is how to make them good for PvE but not overpowered for PvP. I doubt we'll ever see perks like Mark of the devourer or Fan Fire or Rangefinder again because those perks can be abused in PvP. I think that will limit many weapons in the future.
But then again they did try to advertise Destiny to COD and Halo fans who are mostly PvP fans so its kinda of their fault.
Aztechnology
Member
Simple solution that most MMO's use? seperate PVP and PVE gear. Some gear simply won't work in PVP. Checkbox, pvp battleground? X or √
You've now solved your PVP balancing issue, and have more freedom with PVE weapons, encounters etc.
Beautiful
Saucycarpdog
Member
But how plausible is it for Bungie to implement that this far into Destiny? They would have to completely change the PvP system.
Maybe in Destiny 2 but even then that's a big "maybe".
Cosmo, I just want to know...
Was I completely stupid for hunting my Dry Rot 32 and farming Weapon Parts to reroll it so much?
Because I mean, if I had known about this when HoW came out, I would have stopped playing week 1, since we beat Skolas and I had everything ascended by week 2...
Only thing that kept me playing was collecting the weapons that I had assumed would be useful in TTK. If not upgradable, then at the very least... like using a 300 weapon in TDB.
Why then, have etheric light as a reward for the hardest content...
Was I completely stupid for hunting my Dry Rot 32 and farming Weapon Parts to reroll it so much?
Because I mean, if I had known about this when HoW came out, I would have stopped playing week 1, since we beat Skolas and I had everything ascended by week 2...
Only thing that kept me playing was collecting the weapons that I had assumed would be useful in TTK. If not upgradable, then at the very least... like using a 300 weapon in TDB.
Why then, have etheric light as a reward for the hardest content...
KingJ2002
Member
Hmmm... i can imagine that many elements of the game including raid loot will be redone for year 2... i wouldn't be surprised if we did have to replay all the older raids for the newer items.
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im really contemplating only having one character instead of grinding with all three classes... with all the new content... it's starting to seem like it's going to be a hassle to run bounties, raids, poe, and events three times a week
It's clear to me that the etheric light was a patch like fix for the year one balance issues... by dumping etheric light and instead focusing on weapon / armor perks destiny can finally have a balanced leveling system without all sorts for random made up lights and shards as "fixes".
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im really contemplating only having one character instead of grinding with all three classes... with all the new content... it's starting to seem like it's going to be a hassle to run bounties, raids, poe, and events three times a week
It's clear to me that the etheric light was a patch like fix for the year one balance issues... by dumping etheric light and instead focusing on weapon / armor perks destiny can finally have a balanced leveling system without all sorts for random made up lights and shards as "fixes".
Kor of Memory
Member
Well, PvP that isn't scaled (so not Iron Banner or Trials) normalizes damage. So any old legendary is still going to be just as effective in there.
I understand why but I still am worried that they will continue the mediocrity of weapons than actually having weapons that are fun to use and that are powerful. I hope that's not the case and they step it up.
That's the issue, this wouldn't be a problem at all if they didn't just give us the oppurtunity to upgrade all the weapons and armor we wanted to the highest level as we currently could.
If everything was stuck at 300 and couldn't have been upgraded at all than it wouldn't have been an issue because it would have made sense just the upgrading really frustrates me because it was all of a waste of time.
I am optimisitc about the future of destiny and will be getting the taken king. It doesn't mean I can't be annoyed by this.