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Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers |OT| New World Order, Old World Chaos
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cj_iwakura
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FINALLY got some answers.
Gemini via RHDN said:This wasn't dropped at all, it's just on hold. I love how the people on Gaf think we got a C&D letter when I have totally no idea what one looks like.
cj_iwakura
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Strength, Agility, Vitality(whatever their equivalents are in SH). Hit hard, hit fast. Nemissa more than picks up the slack in Magic, so make sure you give her the magic focus. Agility's a good idea for her too, because you want her healing your team before the bosses bring the pain.
cj_iwakura
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Kind of. It also determines gun damage.
I'm not too sure on the difference, but I'm pretty sure one Magic stat handles offense and the other more defense. Both help damage output, though. One of the two makes MP higher faster as well.
cj_iwakura
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Guns can inflict statuses based on bullet types, can also do AOE damage or multi-hit(depending on the gun), and some enemies are weak to them.
insignia16
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I find guarding to be a better choice as long as you can guard before the enemy attacks (Ag) and/or have enough defense and hp to back it up (En)
I forgot to say that this is especially important in the post game. I remember neglecting intelligence in one of my runs and despite having max endurance, MC wasn't able to survive against the ultimate bosses. I had to put him in the 2nd row so that he doesn't die that easily.
First a question:
I have 35K coins and counting, does the Emperor Sword break the game too much?
My initial impression (I'm at the VR musuem part).
This is the first MT game I have played seriously.
+ I really like the setting and the writing.
It's clever enough to hold my interest.
With the due difference in style the interesting world and written lines reminded me of Yuji Horii of DQ fame.
+ Really love how the gameplay mechanics are integrated in the story and that's especially evident in how the Vision Quests unfold.
+ Demon negotiation is really funny and witty.
+ So far seem quite easy. You can screw up if you are unlucky or mismanage a battle but so far MC + Nemissa were enough to complete every dungeon except the bosses.
+ Game seems to explain well the mechanics at hand like demon nature and loyalty.
+ Beautiful art and good music. I like most of the english voices too (especially Hitomi/Nemissa)
+ So '90
+ B button to speed up is good.
+/- Not sure how it is handled in the rest of the series but I appreciate that demons don't level up just because I would hate to lose "experience levels" after a fusion (if that's what happens in other MT games)
- Demon fusion doesn't seem to be that useful for now but it's probably because I'm just at the beginning...
- The "save everywhere" program could detract from the experience IMO.
- Battle text is too quick even at the lower setting for my taste.
- Have yet to use the guns (are they more needed/useful later on?).
I have 35K coins and counting, does the Emperor Sword break the game too much?
My initial impression (I'm at the VR musuem part).
This is the first MT game I have played seriously.
+ I really like the setting and the writing.
It's clever enough to hold my interest.
With the due difference in style the interesting world and written lines reminded me of Yuji Horii of DQ fame.
+ Really love how the gameplay mechanics are integrated in the story and that's especially evident in how the Vision Quests unfold.
+ Demon negotiation is really funny and witty.
+ So far seem quite easy. You can screw up if you are unlucky or mismanage a battle but so far MC + Nemissa were enough to complete every dungeon except the bosses.
+ Game seems to explain well the mechanics at hand like demon nature and loyalty.
+ Beautiful art and good music. I like most of the english voices too (especially Hitomi/Nemissa)
+ So '90
+ B button to speed up is good.
+/- Not sure how it is handled in the rest of the series but I appreciate that demons don't level up just because I would hate to lose "experience levels" after a fusion (if that's what happens in other MT games)
- Demon fusion doesn't seem to be that useful for now but it's probably because I'm just at the beginning...
- The "save everywhere" program could detract from the experience IMO.
- Battle text is too quick even at the lower setting for my taste.
- Have yet to use the guns (are they more needed/useful later on?).
Then don't use it.
Unlike SMT4, Soul Hackers is designed to be played without the save anywhere.
cj_iwakura
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It's worth whatever price you find it at. I prefer it to SMTIV overall.
I don't know that I'll like it since first person dungeon crawling? Not my jam. So I'm gonna wait for another sale.
cj_iwakura
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Yeah, then that's a different story. The dungeons are not that bad though, aside from the second to last one. That one is kind of hellish.
Soul Hackers has a better progression of difficulty than SMT IV(easy to difficult to tough rather than tough to tricky to broken), and (IMO) better story and character development.
Got to the
, I guess I'm close to the ending. Pretty satisfied.
Storyline is pretty good and like all Cozy Okada-era Megaten doesn't rely on abundance of exposition (btw, it feels like a proto-IS in some areas), dungeons are pretty distinctive and the OST makes the atmosphere.
Even the Magnetide system isn't obstructive like I fear it was going to be. Overall pretty satisfied, not my favorite Megaten, but 8+ .
Amami Monument
Storyline is pretty good and like all Cozy Okada-era Megaten doesn't rely on abundance of exposition (btw, it feels like a proto-IS in some areas), dungeons are pretty distinctive and the OST makes the atmosphere.
Even the Magnetide system isn't obstructive like I fear it was going to be. Overall pretty satisfied, not my favorite Megaten, but 8+ .
http://i.imgur.com/CAcOZAg.jpg
Aye.
Didn't think I could do it since Nemissa En and Int were waaay too low even with the Celestial Set (Pumped Mag for the main game), but Makakaja + Almighty always win in the end, I guess.
was harder because if he decide to spam hama + fire/ice there is little you can to survive.
Aye.
Didn't think I could do it since Nemissa En and Int were waaay too low even with the Celestial Set (Pumped Mag for the main game), but Makakaja + Almighty always win in the end, I guess.
Kyouji
cj_iwakura
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Impressive. I never got past Kyouji.
cj_iwakura
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Around halfway.
Oh, good. Thanks.
cj_iwakura
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Focus on STR/DEX/VIT for the MC, MAG for Nemissa. Main can't use magic.
Dragon1893
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Finally got around to clearing the post game dungeon. Never underestimate the power of stat boosting magic in this game. You can stack the effect of tarukaja, sukukuja, etc up to four times at which point you pretty much destroy everything.
This game sure feels dated, but kinda fun at the same time.
When I summon a deamon, does it use up my magic over time? Seems like I am always running out of "Mag".
What's the best course of action? just summon them in battle and put them away afterwards? have 1 or 2 with you all the time?
When I summon a deamon, does it use up my magic over time? Seems like I am always running out of "Mag".
What's the best course of action? just summon them in battle and put them away afterwards? have 1 or 2 with you all the time?
cj_iwakura
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Having demons with you 24/7 will drain your MAG in no time. Learn to rely on Nemissa, Main, and maybe the demon Victor gives you(ideally a support/healing build). Maybe have one heavy hitter, but usually those two can handle most battles. Save the demons for bosses.
Get an equipment that protects against death. There are a head gear that you can buy and which has such a protection.
I haven't gotten a hang of it yet.. should I talk to every demon I encounter? should I fight them? How do I not end up being completely underlevelt? how do I know which demons are worth talking to?
(I guess demons don't level up?)
I guess someone fucked up? Or is it more mysterious to leave the "Demon Stone" untranslated?
(I guess demons don't level up?)
I guess someone fucked up? Or is it more mysterious to leave the "Demon Stone" untranslated?
cj_iwakura
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You'll know a demon can be recruited if they have a smiley face on the UI.
Bosses give tons of XP.
And no, sadly, Soul Hackers is part of the 'use 'em & fuse 'em' school. Keep the ones with great skills and apply them to stronger demons.
I guess someone fucked up? Or is it more mysterious to leave the "Demon Stone" untranslated?
That's a screw up. It has a few snippets like that.
thx for all the answers so far
is there any way to influence that? like making them more incline to join me by talking to them? (If I remember correctly, the game suggested something like that)
Or should I just not bother if they got no smiley face?
is there any way to influence that? like making them more incline to join me by talking to them? (If I remember correctly, the game suggested something like that)
Or should I just not bother if they got no smiley face?
cj_iwakura
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There's an app that can make some demon races able to communicate.
Beyond that, nope. It's pretty random, but there was an old rule of thumb with demon conversations that kind of holds true in SH: the upper left option often yields the best results. Also, giving them MAG is most effective.
You can't recruit dark demons unless you use a specific app. That's a traditional thing in classic megaten.
SatelliteOfLove
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Odd, it was one of the freshest from Gen 5, but I play way too many DCs for that to be taken at face value.
Megatened!
Megaten's always made the cure available before the disease, which as you've seen, is highly useful in MC dead == game over.
Trade in MAG for cash (but not everything since you need it to summon monsters).
It's easy to accumulate MAG if you beat the dungeons just with MC and Nemissa (use the monsters only for bosses).
Dragon1893
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Finally bought this game
Well done!
cj_iwakura
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What skills are you confused by? And your demons are never really that great, it's all MC and Nemissa. Especially if you use buffs/debuffs.
Really? I often found MC to be the weak element of my team. Against tough bosses I switch him to the back line so that he doesn't get slaughtered.
Unlike Aleph, Hitoshura or Flynn, he never excel in anything.
He's definitely a mid-tier hero at best in the Megami Tensei universe.
cj_iwakura
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Give him a good status-inflicting weapon and 4x Tarukaja him and watch things die.
basically all of them... Is there some kind of list? It's always hard to decide on demon fusions without knowing how effective the new demons are going to be.
Then there is the problem of completely useless and overpowered skills like ice breath and aeon rain. both are ice type, the first one sucks completely, the 2nd one is op as fuck - but you'd never be able to tell just from looking at them. it's kinda frustrating when wasting demons on useless end results.
and I'm not very keen on using only nemissa + mc on random encounters. In a game with random encounters, especially in where encounters are as frequent as in this one, I'd rather not waste too much time fighting the same enemies again and again.
Which means I need a few good demons at my side all the time to speed things up. Skills like Violet Flash and the mentioned Aeon Rain are helpful, but there got to be more and other useful skills and I testing all of them not only takes too much time but also risks getting my mc killed.
cj_iwakura
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There's a lot of resources for skill lists, namely the Megaten Wiki, but as I'm sure you've realized, it's largely trial and error. Some skills that might be dynamite in Persona 4 could suck here, and vice-versa.
NeonZ
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http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Devil_Summoner:_Soul_Hackers_skills
In the game itself, I think you can only see the descriptions in combat, which isn't very helpful if you're attempting to plan fusions.
There's also Zeed. It doesn't take mag either and can learn almost any type of skill set through fusion.