TurnipFritters
Member
Yes. If it drops to zero, they leave the party.
Loyalty is also inherited by fusion, so if you fuse two max loyalty demons together, the resulting demon will also have max loyalty.
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Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers |OT| New World Order, Old World Chaos
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Yes. If it drops to zero, they leave the party.
Loyalty is also inherited by fusion, so if you fuse two max loyalty demons together, the resulting demon will also have max loyalty.
Do what I did: order a US 3DS. I did, for this, EO IV and SMT IV. I have no hope we'll ever be able to play all the games we want in Europe.This would have gone straight into my veins if I wasn't a European.
MarcoZombieCannon
Member
I'm guessing that once a demon's loyalty is maxed out, you don't have to worry about it dropping anymore?
Deified Data
Banned
I think I preferred SJ's alignment system over Hacker's loyalty, but it still sounds interesting.
Call Me Maybe
Banned
It's pretty deep, but completely unnecessary; I don't think the 3D effect actually shows up in the cutscenes (except for making the entire image as a whole 'sink in'), and for the rest of the game, the 3D is just... there. The entire picture sinks inwards, but the 3D effect is just... there most of the times. I can see the motion making some people sick, but I even forgot about the 3D altogether until you guys brought it up.
There's just a whole lot to keep track of. The folks here have already listed most of the extra stuff that seems pointlessly extraneous. It takes times to get to grips with (also the default speed for battles is so high you might not actually realize what happened...), but when you do, it's pretty well worth it.
MarcoZombieCannon
Member
So not really depth as in adding volume to the image, but more like layers? Sounds similar to Etrian Odyssey IV. Which is okay, better that than nothing! I had hoped for some depth for the battle screens, they look kinda messy, going by the screenshots.
I may be all wrong though.
cj_iwakura
Member
I got used to it really quick. And I didn't even know what half their personality types were since I was playing it in Japanese. It won't be much of a barrier.
ForteanMan
Member
Really interested to see this loyalty system for myself. Sounds like it will make sense after you've played the game for a while. I know that sometimes when I read about features in games, they initially seem completely incomprehensible, but once I'm actually playing the game it becomes like second nature. I'm hoping that's what will happen with SH.
3DS is region locked, yes. Seems like it's been a rough time for getting Atlus games in EU territories unfortunately. Guess it depends how bad you want it, but there is always the option to buy a NA 3DS...
ForteanMan
Member
What swayed me to go retail in order to get a physical copy was the arranged tracks music CD that was included. It's not much, I think I read in this thread it's maybe 6 songs long? But it was enough to base my decision on.
That and I kind of like to have physical versions of SMT Games when I can.
Very rarely maxed loyalty demons will still disobey a command, but it's nothing to worry about. It probably has to do with personality type as well.
The improvements are very slight. The screenshots on the OP show you what you can expect. If you are somehow trying to decide between the Saturn Version and this um... I don't know what to tell you. You probably shouldn't buy it based on that comparison but rather if you are into SMT or first person Dungeon Crawlers.
whiterabbit
Member
I think he was asking if you can lose loyalty once you gain it.
Young Magus
Junior Member
Does anyone know if this will be available in the eShop day1 midnight?
I believe so.
Is there a drawback to doing this?
TurnipFritters
Member
No. The change is temporary (I think it usually lasts until the next lunar cycle?) though, so you need to bang out that loyalty quick.
You can't just use the item again? Or does the loyalty reset?
TurnipFritters
Member
You can use the item again, but you can only carry, like, ten of each item so you'll want to get the most out of each use.
For the record, you can also give demons gifts from your inventory to raise their loyalty.
Anyone?
TurnipFritters
Member
Right. Once a demon's loyalty is maxed, it's pretty much guaranteed to follow orders. Even if it does disobey (which is extremely unlikely - I think I've seen it happen once in all my playthroughs), it won't make much of a difference since there are so many notches on the loyalty scale.
Zero-Crescent
Member
That's a good sign. Hopefully, the game will be in stores on Tuesday if they're already shipping it.
TurnipFritters
Member
Your cries will go unanswered by an apathetic god.
buddha0991
Member
Atlus?
GeekyDad
Member
Again, I think he's merely curious as to whether or not loyalty can go down once it's been maxed, not whether or not a demon will disobey.
TurnipFritters
Member
The only way for loyalty to go down is if a demon disobeys your command.
probably but you can't be sure.
Sounds like an Ogre Tactics game title.
I've gone the US 3DS route as I just can't take the delays anymore, this thread is like forbidden candy as my copy begins the arduous journey to KangarooLand.
Call Me Maybe
Banned
More updates:
- I have a handle on the battle system now, and I am hooked. I like talking to demons when I can, apart from recruitment, it also gives me a whole lot of context
- The bosses are hard
- I turned the 3D off because it was about as annoying as the voice acting
- The story remains as bizarre as it ever was
- Apparently there is a battle speed option in the Settings menu. I advise everyone to turn it down to slow, at least until you have a better idea of what you're doing.
- Draw distance outside of dungeon areas, such as in
is bloody awful.
Let me know if you have any questions!
- I have a handle on the battle system now, and I am hooked. I like talking to demons when I can, apart from recruitment, it also gives me a whole lot of context
- The bosses are hard
- I turned the 3D off because it was about as annoying as the voice acting
- The story remains as bizarre as it ever was
- Apparently there is a battle speed option in the Settings menu. I advise everyone to turn it down to slow, at least until you have a better idea of what you're doing.
- Draw distance outside of dungeon areas, such as in
Paradigm X
Let me know if you have any questions!
what difficulty you doing?
Call Me Maybe
Banned
I don't think it offered me an option for difficulty... at least I don't remember.
If it did, it was probably the default, as that is what I usually play on.
EDIT: Yep, just tried starting a new game. No difficulty settings
from what i read it's supposed to allow on-the-fly difficulty changes
for my part i'm gonna do hard, i heard the game is a bit easier for a SMT title and I'm in the mood for a hard first person dungeon crawl
I know SMT IV does that, not sure about Soul Hackers though.
Call Me Maybe
Banned
Hmmm, I can't find it anywhere in the menus or the manual.
Oh well. Default difficulty it likely is anyway.
TurnipFritters
Member
It's on the hack menu.
Call Me Maybe
Banned
Got it.
Yep, playing on default.
(They should make the Hack menu more prominent; I always thought that represented the main options menu lol).
GeekyDad
Member
Ah, okay. So, ultimately, the answer is yes.
From what I understand there is an app for it in Soul Hackers, similar to Strange Journey apps.
cj_iwakura
Member
Not to my knowledge, but here's a couple:
PS1:
(You can see the upper right character in the 3DS section below)
3DS:
Also, I'll be playing the Saturn version on Friday evening for everyone.
MarcoZombieCannon
Member
That clears that up, thank you.
I was just worried about losing it quickly, like if there was only a few loyal states. I honestly like the sound of this system over the SJ one.
I actually like the shading and expression of the lady in the PSOne version a little better. She's also missing lipstick in 3DS. The image is a bit too small but you can tell either her pupils or iris is quite a bit larger in the PSone, maybe even a different color iris altogether.
Do the character portraits ever change to reflect emotion or are they always static?
cj_iwakura
Member
I actually like the shading and expression of the lady in the PSOne version a little better. She's also missing lipstick. The image is a bit too small but you can tell either her pupils or iris is quite a bit larger in the PSone, maybe even a different color iris altogether.
Do the character portraits ever change to reflect emotion or are they always static?
The main story characters do(even a few minor ones), but ones like the shopkeepers remain static.