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[LordOcidax]

DF: Yes it's faster: Switch 2 back compatibility.

-Uncapped FPS and Resolutions SW1 games can now reach the max allowed by the game.

-Bayonetta 3 runs at solid 60fps in gameplay (Cutscenes still runs bad, FPS capped for SW1 hardware) Tested by John in a livestream.

 

[GigaBowser]

wow my friends even most crud ports with no optermizations better make sure to check all all old ports

Switch 2 back-compat fixes Batman: Arkham Knight - Switch 1's worst triple-A port

Yes, Switch 2 does run Switch 1 games with improved performance.

www.eurogamer.net

Going into our Switch 2 testing, we'd received no real indication from Nintendo on whether back-compat would actually be any faster than running the game on original hardware. Wii titles didn't run any better on Wii U, for example. However, Switch 2 is different. It's not using full hardware backwards compatibility as such - it's effectively using a translation layer to run the original game code on the new system. In this scenario, it would probably be a lot harder to limit games to original performance levels as opposed to just letting the new system run those titles with whatever system resources the Switch 2 can throw at them.


The end result is that - remarkably - Batman: Arkham Knight is as fixed as it can be on Switch 2 without going back to the game and optimising it. While the game still possesses ugly pared back textures and hideous aliasing problems, it runs as flawlessly as it's possible with the original code. Extra CPU and GPU power in combination with the faster storage are effectively brute-forcing the game to be everything it can possibly be, given the design constraints placed on the original code. Is it perfect? Well, in Batmobile driving, while frame-rate is fixed, animation error hoves into view, so despite a locked 30fps, something still doesn't look right.

 

[saintjules]

Man, that thread title is making me dizzy.

Edit: title fixed!

 

[Panajev2001a]

"While the game still possesses ugly pared back textures and hideous aliasing problems" at least framerate is fixed.

 

[Darkkahn]

Wow, there really aren't that many pixels in that image.

 

[kiphalfton]

15 fps to 30 fps

Still shit fps

 

[Zathalus]

"Meanwhile, my colleague Oliver Mackenzie had the game crash on Switch 2 simply by pausing it."

Well that's unfortunate.

 

[ReBurn]

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

this launch feels like a random Tuesday update

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[lughnasadh123]

Waiting for that 120 fps patch.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

This obviously needs an actual patch to run much better, but it's good to see switch games will run as fast as they can on a switch 2

 

[crazyriddler]

Well, it's great news that unpatched games will use the extra power of the Switch 2, and given the difference it means that at least all Switch 1 games will perform at the highest possible FPS and dynamic resolution.

 

[Holammer]

Cute.
Anyway, I played through the game recently, with maxed out settings 1440/120 with Smooth Motion frame-gen active for a buttery smooth 240fps.
... and I'll it again if Arkham Knight RTX actually is a thing.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Well, it's great news that unpatched games will use the extra power of the Switch 2, and given the difference it means that at least all Switch 1 games will perform at the highest possible FPS and dynamic resolution.

Like any pro console or next console gen. They will hit the caps or close to the framerate caps. Be it 30 or 60.

 

[Kotaro]

Switch 2 is a magnificent little beast

 

[crazyriddler]

Like any pro console or next console gen. They will hit the caps or close to the framerate caps. Be it 30 or 60.

It was not confirmed that this would be the case for the Switch 2 though, in fact, it is the first Nintendo console to do so.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It was not confirmed that this would be the case for the Switch 2 though, in fact, it is the first Nintendo console to do so.

What do you mean? Games aren't locked at the framerate dips. They are locked at framerate caps.

More powerful hardware playing the same games will always have game perform better with less dips and hitting the caps the game was programmed with.

It's not running these games in an emulator shell/container.

 

[Hero_Select]

I booted this up out of curiosity but the resolution is still terrible, wouldn't recommend playing it as it is now

 

[adamsapple]

Switch 2 runs poorly performing Switch 1 games better.

Gigabowser:

 

[DeepEnigma]

Switch 2 runs poorly performing Switch 1 games better.

Gigabowser:

 

[crazyriddler]

What do you mean? Games aren't locked at the framerate dips. They are locked at framerate caps.

More powerful hardware playing the same games will always have game perform better with less dips and hitting the caps the game was programmed with.

It's not running these games in an emulator shell/container.

This was not the case with gamecube/Wii/Wii U nor with DS/DS i/3DS/New 3DS.

 

[DeepEnigma]

This was not the case with gamecube/Wii/Wii U nor with DS/DS i/3DS/New 3DS.

They were in an emulation container or contained actual previous gen hardware for native BC.

These machines are now more "PC-like."

 

[adamsapple]

 

[DeepEnigma]

UNLIMITED POWWWWAAAAAA!

 

[Trilobit]

Man, that thread title is making me dizzy.

Don't read it, experience it!

 

[crazyriddler]

They were in an emulation container or contained actual previous gen hardware for native BC.

These machines are now more "PC-like."

In the case of DS i and New 3DS Nintendo capped the extra performance of the cpu to perform as in the original models, in fact you could skip that limitation with a hack and solve frame drops in some games.

And these consoles are no different from the Pro consoles from sony and micro. So yes, it is a novelty in a Nintendo console that has no precedent.

 

[DeepEnigma]

In the case of DS i and New 3DS Nintendo capped the extra performance of the cpu to perform as in the original models, in fact you could skip that limitation with a hack and solve frame drops in some games.

And these consoles are no different from the Pro consoles from sony and micro. So yes, it is a novelty in a Nintendo console that has no precedent.

Yes, in the past a lot did this for game stability since there was a chance of the games breaking or glitching outside of their programmed timings.

 

[GigaBowser]

Well, it's great news that unpatched games will use the extra power of the Switch 2, and given the difference it means that at least all Switch 1 games will perform at the highest possible FPS and dynamic resolution.

 

[cireza]

Curious to try Dead Cells.

 

[Stuart360]

It fixes the framerate but its still the same low res, low settings patato version it always was. I literally just watched the DF vid on this.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

Giga when someone else makes a Switch 2 thread before him

 

[Holammer]

 

[winjer]

In other news, water is wet.

 

[Power Pro]

I wanna try out Borderlands 3 now. I know it's not the best looker on the Switch, but the fact it ran at uncapped framerate on Switch 1 was always nice to me.

 

[MDSLKTR]

Confirmation towards the end: no docked resolution boost when playing portable s1 games on s2 :/ Metroid Prime 1 will always look like soup.

 

[BennyBlanco]

How the fuck did none of the Monolith games get patches? I'm tempted to cancel my order tbh. I want to play 60 fps Xenoblade X more than I want to play Mario Kart.

(yes i know I could on PC but in my experience it's janky)

 

[LordOcidax]

In other news, water is wet.

Some people here were not expecting this kind of feature at all…

They're not gonna do that. Sony did that because they see and approach games as though they are applications. They did that with the PS1 to PS2 aswell. Nintendo won't do that, their games are done and frozen in time. With rare exceptions..they don't see it as a computer application.

 

[Chuck Berry]

Any retards in this vid?

 

[daclynk]

i can believe the switch 1 game are going to be evergreen for Nintendo.

 

[winjer]

Any retards in this vid?

Well, it's DF, so there is a high chance of rain...

 

[Connificent]

Any retards in this vid?

Use your minds eye

 

[HRK69]

Any retards in this vid?

Use your minds eye

 

[Kabelly]

Animal Crossing is still noticeably 30fps, but my island always lagged hard as hell in certain areas. It seems to stay stable now. It could be placebo.

 

[Rush2112]

LITERALLY GAMES FROM 2015.

 

[Shaki12345]

Any retards in this vid?

Thanks for plugging my thread.

 

[LordOcidax]

LITERALLY GAMES FROM 2015.

That's why is called back compatibility … What you expected, that the AI makes the whole game again?

 

[Shaki12345]

It should be illegal to allow a game like AK to run on Switch.

It's like selling a car that doesn't reach the minimum speed. Or selling a rotten apple. It's a defective product.

 

[Kacho]

No one cares about Arkham Knight. What the fuck is wrong with Digital Foundry?

Can someone test real games like Age of Calamity?

 

[K' Dash]

i can believe the switch 1 game are going to be evergreen for Nintendo.

Nintendo playing 4D chess.