kevboard
Member
it does... it's just a shiny good looking turd
DF Direct Weekly #208: Switch 2 Specs Breakdown, DLSS Info, Switch 2 vs Steam Deck + More!
it does... it's just a shiny good looking turd
SweetTooth
Banned
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
what hars deeper gameplays and open world?? ahah
Ritsumei2020
Banned
Best open world performance on PS4 was MGSV
I hope they port that to Switch 2
I hope they port that to Switch 2
Kataploom
Gold Member
He's talking about CPU, not graphics... And even when I think PS4 can do BOTW at 60 fps, I also believe BOTW physics are more intense in the hardware than anything CPU bound in Horizon
Fake
Member
Oh yes, because ARM is so good and devs are not putting their heavy work on the GPU.
Depends. Are we talk about ports or about what first party studios can extract from the hardware of their own?
Because I have a list of PS4 games for NS2.
I guess your afirmation lacks context. Comparing a exclusive game is kinda of nuts. There is no way to make a proper comparison between BOTW because is a first party game.
Unless you want to enter into the fanboy territory.
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Muddy
Member
Not the topic of discussion.
Buggy Loop
Member
Physics wise yes
Ritsumei2020
Banned
Cyberpunk 2077?
kevboard
Member
literally anything is better than the Jaguar cores of last gen consoles.
God of War on PS4 Pro drops down to barely above 30fps in performance mode, even tho it runs base PS4 settings in that mode.
2x GPU power, but only 35fps the moment you aren't looking at empty scenery.
Hitman didn't get a performance mode on PS4 Pro, but got one on One X, because the One X's Jaguar cores were clocked juuuuuuust high enough to allow a still very much unstable performance mode.
basically anything on PS4 is CPU bound.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Muddy
Member
That CPU did Horizon Forbidden West.
Can't do BOTW or TOTK and it's physics?
If the Switch 1 could do those physics why can't the PS4.
Switch 1 has a better CPU than PS4?
Ritsumei2020
Banned
Cant do it at 1440/60
Fake
Member
What about? The terrible port they made for old gen?
Or do you think that is a good port?
C'mon dude. Lay down your shield.
I don't think ARM is doing a good job either. I'll not gonna defend Jaguar CPU because they suck, but neither praise ARM because Jaguar is old as hell. Thats a stupid rhetoric.
Again, NS2 is just following the base NS case. The GPU will always be the start.
kevboard
Member
depends on the game.
the Deck doesn't have fixed clock speeds, so if a game makes the system hit its power limit the GPU will clock down dramatically.
in very demanding games I personally often see it hanging around 1.2 to 1.3 ghz, when in theory ir can clock up to 1.6
Ritsumei2020
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Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Watched this direct this morning and thought it was a good roundup overall, but we didn't really get any new info or speculation from the lads.
Fake
Member
First party vs third party...
Sigh... I find extraordinary the people that doesn't watch or don't have any interest in the video and still keep this silly comparisons.
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Ritsumei2020
Banned
LOL
Deerock71
Member
So, Sega is laying? They confirmed is 4K60…
Kataploom
Gold Member
Get some reading comprehension pal
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SweetTooth
Banned
Notice that Steam Deck released 3 years ago at introductory price of $399! Let that sink in. Switch 2 performance is laughably bad (especially handheld) and will get exposed soon enough.
Muddy
Member
Work on your writing skills.
Parazels
Member
PS4 didn't support 1440p resolution.
Ah, the comparison between Breath of the Wild and Horizon Zero physics.
Muddy
Member
Deerock71
Member
I'd feel disgusted with myself if I couldn't stand Sony and just lived to shitpost in Sony threads all the time.
hinch7
Member
Regarding power about on par with PS4 performance but with more advanced feature sets and up scaling sounds about right. With some good optimisations like we've seen on the Switch 1 we should see some very impressive looking games. Curious if devs like Capcom will do day one releases for future games like RE.
Also looking forward to seeing how it stacks up against the Steam Deck in portable mode. Considering RDNA 2 is quite comparable to Ampere in raster and they're even on the same/similar process nodes (Deck is on 6nm now, was 7 TSMC) as when the DGPU initially released. And Switch 2 will only be running 10W portable.
Also looking forward to seeing how it stacks up against the Steam Deck in portable mode. Considering RDNA 2 is quite comparable to Ampere in raster and they're even on the same/similar process nodes (Deck is on 6nm now, was 7 TSMC) as when the DGPU initially released. And Switch 2 will only be running 10W portable.
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Buggy Loop
Member
guys who saids switch 2 had no dlss before ahah damage controls
It takes a special kind of childlike naivety to believe that a team of Nvidia engineers would make a custom chipset and go out of their way to make sure that it would not use the #1 feature that has been talked about for the past 5 years, DLSS.
Who was retarded enough to believe this?
Well DF apparently.
Ritsumei2020
Banned
So in short, the Switch 2 can do stuff the PS4 cant
Like running open world games at 1440/60
Like running open world games at 1440/60
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Where did they say Switch 2 had no DLSS support?guys who saids switch 2 had no dlss before ahah damage controls
Buggy Loop
Member
Wasn't that only said about BoTW?Fake mentioned that in the notes previously. I have yet to see anything where DF said flatly that Switch 2 did not have DLSS.
See my post how they gimped the TOPs on that laptop 2050 and nowhere near what T239 would be doing.
Topher
Identifies as young
Was this meant for someone else? I'm just talking about the claim that DF said Switch 2 "had no DLSS"
kevboard
Member
I'm pretty sure that I saw a benchmark years ago where someone showed the Tegra X1 had a better single core score than a PC grade Jaguar CPU running at 1.6ghz (same clock speed as PS4)
now, the Switch only has 4 cores (3 useable by devs) vs the PS4's 8 (7 useable by devs, initially 6 but they freed one up eventually)
what we have seen however over time is demanding games being ported to Switch that could not run at 60fps on PS4's CPU, like Witcher 3.
we know the PS4 would not be able to run it at 60fps because the One X, which has a 4 to 5 times more powerful GPU, is CPU bound in its 1080p performance mode.
and the One X runs its CPU at 2.3ghz vs the PS4's 1.6ghz, the One X also has drastically more memory bandwidth, so that's not the limiting factor here.
from there we can extrapolate that the PS4 would never come close to a proper 60fps even if we gave it a 2x GPU and bandwidth boost.
the Switch however runs the most CPU heavy moments in Witcher 3 nearly on par with PS4 in terms of framerate.
this ride towards the town specifically is where even the One X drops to almost 30fps in the performance mode, due to what is highly likely a CPU limit:
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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
yes its all true they says direct didnt show dlss buuuuuut maybe its magical dlss you cant see
Kataploom
Gold Member
Little Mac
Member
Is the Steam Deck worth it? I'm interested in it but I hear it's a little aged at this point.
Topher
Identifies as young
They said it wasn't in BoTW is all I saw. Where else did they say this?
Mister Wolf
Member
Not worth it. Too dated at this point.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
kevboard
Member
what exactly is wrong with anything said here?
Physiognomonics
Member
That's total bullshit. NXgamer did extended analysis of GoW running on PS4 Pro with an average of about 50fps with most bosses running at that framerate. Only in the big hub the framerate was getting to mid-40s. I platinumed that game on PS4 Pro and the game was running at 60fps in many small areas.
PS4 Pro CPU got a 30% boost which came in really handy in a few games (in MHW too).
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kevboard
Member
if you want to play lower end and AA titles, yes.
if you want a system that plays modern AAA games, no.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
df wars wrong there is dlss
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Lokaum D+
Member
Even my old RTX 2060 can run botw and totk at 4k60 a PS4 would run without any problem.
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kevboard
Member
it runs at 60 whenever it isn't CPU bound, which it is in the hub area around the lake...
that's exactly my point. the PS4 was nearly always CPU limited. I used the Pro version as an example because it has an unlocked mode that resembles the base console settings.
I was talking about the base PS4's CPU however, which runs at a 500mhz lower clock speed as well.
SuperC
Neo Member
1080p portable or docked mode?
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