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Diablo 3 Beta [Beta withdrawal underway!]
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I will go DH as my main I think, I hear they are weak now but if that's true I am sure they will get buffed a little before release. I love the idea of the class, using primitive grenades and X-bows while hunting demons.
Barb and Wizard will likely be my alts, Monk and WD don't appeal to me really.
Barb and Wizard will likely be my alts, Monk and WD don't appeal to me really.
Flawed or not, they kind of shape what Diablo is about. On other hand This is good news, but on another it's what makes bosses special overall. It's more rewarding to get a nice item from some special monster, but now I know that mobs will be scarce and happen as crescendo events(like special monsters) of each section, simply because of decision to make item drop equal.Corky said:
Castor Krieg
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MrKnives said:
No, it is not better. This is what makes Diablo. Boss = tougher enemy, better loot. I don't want to play through Hell/Inferno every damn time, running around killing the same mob million times. I want to port to the dungeon, rush to the boss, kill the boss, get loot, exit, make a new game, repeat.
Castor Krieg said:
Statements like this are pointless. First of all, it is subjective. Second, now THIS makes Diablo, huh. I thought offline single is what makes Diablo. Or 8 player online is what makes it. Or the gothic feel makes it. Or the skill tree makes it.
Whatever comes up, it is always THAT making Diablo. At the end of the day though, Blizzard is the one deciding what makes Diablo III (!), and we will either like it or not. I am liking it, you might not. But the bossruns did not make Diablo. The gameplay did.
Besides, the bossruns really had a big hit on what counted as good or bad builds. If your character was shit in 90% of the game but good on Travincal/Meph/Baal runs, then it was regarded as an "amazing build", and you kinda rushed through the other parts between these, only to farm, farm, farm.
I am sure it was Blizzard's very first task before creating Diablo III to make EVERY stage and act meaningful, not just a stepping stone between you and hell Meph runs, or whatever was cool at a time. That is bullshit design. The gameplay however, made everything so amazing that now people are attached to concepts like this. Well, once gameplay for D3 is available to us, I am sure some will change their minds about what they want.
I am sure it was Blizzard's very first task before creating Diablo III to make EVERY stage and act meaningful, not just a stepping stone between you and hell Meph runs, or whatever was cool at a time. That is bullshit design. The gameplay however, made everything so amazing that now people are attached to concepts like this. Well, once gameplay for D3 is available to us, I am sure some will change their minds about what they want.
Castor Krieg
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V_Arnold said:
People in World of Warcraft have amazing experience leveling their characters. Does that mean they constantly run around low-lvl areas when they are 85? No, there is clear sense of progression. Act I should not play the same, and reward you in the same way Act IV does. If Act IV has tougher monsters, but rewards you more than Act I, why do you want to punish the player by making them run Act I more than once to get to good part? Blizzard tried that with WoW before, new raids in vanilla required buffs from all the other raid bosses (Onyxia, ZG, etc.). It was a terrible design. Do not make me go back to previous content.
Castor Krieg said:
That never made Diablo for me. Maybe you liked it but I know a people who didn't. It does make sense that strong bosses = better loot but I dont understand why you say you don't want to go through Inferno again and again but it's ok to endlessly do boss runs.
I hate statements like "this what made X". No, this is what it made for you maybe and to say repetetive boss runs that you did over and over again in hopes that one of those times he drops something you can tell your friends about wasn't what made Diablo. At least I fucking hope not.
Castor Krieg said:
That sounds shit to be honest.
Bosses still provide loot incentives - kill them and they're guaranteed to drop a rare or two. It just means that, you can also get rares while killing all the other mobs around the boss - and as a result doesn't penalize/deincentivize the majority of the game.
Ultimately for the player, it just means more play styles and variety.
Sure, you can still make boss rush characters - but if you're a kill all mobs character/build, then that's fine too.
Castor Krieg said:
Wow, wow, woooooow.
You are now mashing together two different concepts.
Raids in WoW are really not like bossruns in Diablo games. You know that. Not even comparable time-wise, not to mention non-repeatable.
That is one thing.
Other is that nothing stops Blizzard from giving all monsters in Act 2 better quality loot potential than Act 1. Same way, Act 3 > Act 2 is possible. As is Act 4 > Act 3. Who said it was not? All mobs having a better, extended loot-table does not make worse bossruns, but it makes more chance on people finding places with a lot of mobs that are fun to play AND has a chance to be rewarding. On inferno level, every mob will be higher level than the character you play with, so feel free to think of it as "highend" content
Also, "do not make me go back to previous content"? What previous content? You get the whole game in a package. There is no previous content, there is no "I farmed ony for half a year now, I need to go new content exclusively...". This is not an MMO.
Castor Krieg said:
Diablo has an end-game. You finish it, new difficulty starts, monsters scale. This is not the case in WoW. For D3 you have to fully finish the game to start again. Until you finish a level, you cannot just pick any place to go.
Once you finish Diablo 3 and hit Inferno, all the monsters will be 61+, so that will be more than enough challenge for a lvl 60 capped player.
From the various streams I have seen, you can start from specific quests, so you can play on Normal, pick the last quest and finish quickly to get to the boss.
Castor Krieg
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V_Arnold said:
What I meant is forcing me to run through Act I, where the monsters are weaker and you are less likely to get good loot. But I understand your arguments (and Raide's) - if they give mobs extended loot tables, and don't make Inferno mobs so much weaker between Act I and Act IV I have no problem running through the game again. I simply do not want the game to be structured so that Act I-III is a filler I have to re-play everytime to get to good stuff in Act IV.
Castor Krieg said:
Well, on the first run of a difficulty you will have to go through everything. After that you are free to pick any chapter you like. I don't know many Diablo players that willing ran through Chapter 1 after clearing the game. Well, unless they played a Necro and needed corpses.
Raide said:Well, on the first run of a difficulty you will have to go through everything. After that you are free to pick any chapter you like. I don't know many Diablo players that willing ran through Chapter 1 after clearing the game. Well, unless they played a Necro and needed corpses.
Haha that's me!
But that's the thing. If I understood you guys right, the item drops are equal. In that case I could go for lesser level mob areas and grind for technically same items there, than pass throught something much harder for same chances of drops.Gromph said:
Which is why I am completelly against it. It doesn't make sense. It can't be that equal, can it?
raphier said:
Some of the rare items can drop anywhere but some of the items will be locked to certain bosses/chapters. I don't think Blizzard would be that stupid to let everything drop in Chapter 1. Just like WoW, rare items can be anywhere but most of the end-content is at the end.
Its a scaling thing so players than take longer and die more often, will still get some rare items that help them out in later levels. Those players than murder everything are bound to find more stuff and make more use of it.
pieatorium
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No one said that at all.raphier said:
What was said is that the drops for an area are the same for that areas bosses. EG instead of meph runs you could do act 3 runs, but all this is based of a couple of comments from a while back so all we really know is that the intention is to take the focus of boss runs and make it worthshile to still explore the areas.
picklecannon
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I hope the WD is the least played class so when I'm MFing in a group and find an amazing item for the rest of the classes I'll have no problem getting one or two amazing items back in exchange.
Hexadecimalt
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Yeah, this is bullshit. Stale, irritating and wasteful. Basically this kind of attitude is what killed Diablo 2 for me. I'm glad they are making changes for the better rather than supplicating bot/gold farmer play.Castor Krieg said:
lmao never mind you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. You're not making any sense at all.Castor Krieg said:
piratepwnsninja
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nacire said:
Looks great!
I need this game!
raphier said:
Uhh, higher level mobs will have a better chance of dropping better quality items. Not to mention bosses having even better chances. The game will gravitate towards the highest difficulty and killing bosses unless someone figures out where Blizz screwed up their formula.
RPGCrazied
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nacire said:
RPGCrazied said:
Morphological Anti-Aliasing - It's a post process which is why the effect pretty much kills the crisp text and UI. It applies the anti-aliasing to everything on your screen. Doing it this way does make the performance hit very low though. Should be a small checkbox under anti-aliasing in the CCC.
For you folks talking loot drops, there have been interviews which state wandering off the main path, exploring etc. leads to more rare loot drops. Today in beta, I found the main crypt on a particular quest right off the bat, but I chose to revisit the other crypts for loot. I was rewarded when a chest at the end of one of them dropped a rare chest piece.
The skeleton king has only dropped a rare yellow, the first time through for each class I've played. I'm not sure if your level affects the drops, but every time I've revisited the fight with a character I've leveled up for awhile, he only drops blues. So it pays to do more than just run straight to the boss.
Hexadecimalt
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The stuff he posted about WoW areas and completely unrelated things that don't make sense trying to apply it to Diablo 3. For some reason he thought act I monsters would drop the same loot as act IV.Squire Felix said:
Like said before raids are completely different and don't fit into the aspect of Diablo at all, no idea where you pulled this idea from, you won't be forced to go back to previous content, review what was said and try to be coherent this time.
Judging by the popularity and reaction to the Monk videos being posted, I'd say you're severely underestimating MonkDina said:
RPGCrazied
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nacire said:
Yeah I have that. Was wondering what it did though. Hopefully blizzard can get theres in before release, or I will have to find a way to force it.
Sorry for the slight derail (only slight, I can't believe I'm anticipating D3 so much despite never really having properly played a game of this type before... unless Torchlight counts?).
Toying with the idea of playing D2 right now (I bought it a couple of years back, but didn't make a real effort to get into it). Can I just download and install the latest patch (1.13) and run the game in high res/widescreen (1680*1050) or do I still need to go down the route of 1.12 and MultiRes?
Toying with the idea of playing D2 right now (I bought it a couple of years back, but didn't make a real effort to get into it). Can I just download and install the latest patch (1.13) and run the game in high res/widescreen (1680*1050) or do I still need to go down the route of 1.12 and MultiRes?
RPGCrazied
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Number45 said:
I think there is a widescreen hack or something, dunno how well it works though.
Hexadecimalt
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There is not any widescreen hack that works well without crazy mods and burning up your memory. No patch has addressed this because it's just old tech. 800x600 is as good as it gets without getting your hands dirty.
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