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[Lucario]

Is it just me or is mantra of evasion hilariously broken? I mean, from the sockets and passives I have alone (not counting weapons and such), my monk has a nearly 50% dodge chance with it. And it's socketed such that I deal obscene amounts of damage whenever I dodge something, which will be all the time. And the build can be done by level 30.






..... I need this game.

 

[Anoregon]

Spending way too much time on the skill calc. I keep making monk builds that are similar but slightly varied. I look forward to actually playing the game and finding out my theorycrafting is dumb.

Here's one I came up with. Should be high damage and good party heals/buffs.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/monk#ijRdUX!cfU!YabZac

 

[SamuraiX-]

Shared Stash Information:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/3435570

This is fucking awful, this that famous 'almost unlimited amount of slots for items' stash? Havent they learnt anything from Diablo 2?
350 slots, jesus christ, what a letdown.

I admit for a game that's so heavily based on loot this will be a huge turnoff for most people later on, especially if Blizzard doesn't do anything with it in terms of updating more slots.

 

[Fallout-NL]

Bigger stash?

That'll be $15,99.

 

[Hexadecimalt]

Well I guess this eliminates the ability to make mules but doesn't really fix space problem they were created for in the first place...

 

[CarbonatedFalcon]

I admit for a game that's so heavily based on loot this will be a huge turnoff for most people later on, especially if Blizzard doesn't do anything with it in terms of updating more slots.

But really, how much stuff are you going to be carrying around that you aren't going to immediately vendor, salvage, or AH?

I'm sure it will be upgraded to be larger at some point, especially if people find that they fill it up quickly. Just like WoW has had larger bags at the start of every expansion (and usually at the end of expansions too, for an exorbitant price.)

I'm not denying that it seems small, but not having played the game, it's hard to say how much we'll actually need.

 

[Lucario]

But really, how much stuff are you going to be carrying around that you aren't going to immediately vendor, salvage, or AH?

I'm sure it will be upgraded to be larger at some point, especially if people find that they fill it up quickly. Just like WoW has had larger bags at the start of every expansion (and usually at the end of expansions too, for an exorbitant price.)

I'm not denying that it seems small, but not having played the game, it's hard to say how much we'll actually need.

To be perfectly honest, if the inventory is big enough, mules will happen. Especially if there's an unshared stash in addition to the shared stash.
If not.... I guess we'll be stuck buying extra copies of the game e.e

 

[SamuraiX-]

But really, how much stuff are you going to be carrying around that you aren't going to immediately vendor, salvage, or AH?

I'm sure it will be upgraded to be larger at some point, especially if people find that they fill it up quickly. Just like WoW has had larger bags at the start of every expansion (and usually at the end of expansions too, for an exorbitant price.)

I'm not denying that it seems small, but not having played the game, it's hard to say how much we'll actually need.

I'm gonna go ahead and assume that Blizzard will update it considering it's running on the current basis that you pay gold to receive extra tabs of slots, so I don't think it would be too difficult.

For me, in DII, I used to mule so much shit that I never even used but I thought I would. That's just my hoarding nature, which I'm sure is true for many other as well. And I think I'll go ahead and assume that DIII will have more loot than DII.

 

[Cipherr]

Especially if there's an unshared stash in addition to the shared stash.

We need to know this asap. Seriously. 350 is not going to be enough space, this aint WoW man. There really needs to be a shared and non shared so we can make mules, or the community is going to flip the fuck out.

 

[Raide]

How many items are people really going to keep?

People get this issue in WoW, since they keep holding on to stuff they have had for years. Most of it is just trash anyway but people keep hold of it for some weird sentimental reasons.

Apart from Super Rare items, Green set items that you actually use, what else do you want to horde? All that low level stuff is either for making gold or making more materials.

I am sure they will expand it if needed but 350 slots actually sounds like a good amount.

 

[TUSR]

Shared Stash Information:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/3435570

This is fucking awful, this that famous 'almost unlimited amount of slots for items' stash? Havent they learnt anything from Diablo 2?
350 slots, jesus christ, what a letdown.

Trolling or not? because you would be able to make mules and take the items from the shared stash.

Unlimited Stash.

 

[Lucario]

How many items are people really going to keep?

People get this issue in WoW, since they keep holding on to stuff they have had for years. Most of it is just trash anyway but people keep hold of it for some weird sentimental reasons.

Apart from Super Rare items, Green set items that you actually use, what else do you want to horde? All that low level stuff is either for making gold or making more materials.

I am sure they will expand it if needed but 350 slots actually sounds like a good amount.

I think the problem here is that people are going to roll more than one character, creating a need for an addition unshared stash. In D2, I've leveled plenty of characters past 80. I'd have had to create a dozen new accounts or more if 350 inventory slots was all I'd be able to get out of them. And with the current system in D3, you'll need multiple copies of the game to mule, something that's utterly ridiculous. 350 slots is a lot for one character, less so if you're using the auction house a lot, and it's effectively nothing if split across a lifetime of characters. That's what the issue is here.

 

[chris-013]

Wow, how I missed that : http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demon-hunter#aRg!!c

Caltrops + obsidian rune -90% damage ?

 

[KKRT00]

How many items are people really going to keep?

People get this issue in WoW, since they keep holding on to stuff they have had for years. Most of it is just trash anyway but people keep hold of it for some weird sentimental reasons.

Apart from Super Rare items, Green set items that you actually use, what else do you want to horde? All that low level stuff is either for making gold or making more materials.

I am sure they will expand it if needed but 350 slots actually sounds like a good amount.

Part of my post from other board.

Not, its not. Do some math. D2 had 88 slots per character and You can have 10 of them, so 880 per account and You could have multiple accounts, in D3 You cant because of BN 2.0.

Now runes, there are 5 type runes for every skill and every character has 24+ skills, so You need 120 slots just to store runes of one lvl [there are 7 of those!] for one char to have different builds.

Now gems, there are 6 type of gems and they drop only to lvl 6 and there are 14 [dont remember exactly] levels of gems and to make higher lvl gem You need 3 lower level.
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8822/gemlevels.jpg

Most items takes 2 slots.

There are so many things to store that its not even funny. 350 slots its less than 4 character slots in D2!
Just count how many You need, different gems [high level to use/sell or low level to craft higher ones] and runes for different builds and characters, low level pvp gear, low lvl pve gear, high lvl pvp gear [for couple of builds], additional items for current build, items for sell, uniques/items You like or for new characters and all of that in 350 slots, period, You cant make new account, new char, new mule, this is it.

We need to know this asap. Seriously. 350 is not going to be enough space, this aint WoW man. There really needs to be a shared and non shared so we can make mules, or the community is going to flip the fuck out.

They deny it on this page, look:
"In addition to a character's personal inventory, players in Diablo III will also have access to a shared stash, a new storage option which can be used by all characters on a Diablo III account."

 

[TylerD]

For me, in DII, I used to mule so much shit that I never even used but I thought I would. That's just my hoarding nature, which I'm sure is true for many other as well.

+1 so much shit i would mule and hold on to when I never ever used it. Oh man, x item would be great to start out a druid with... never made one.

I am a BAD virtual hoarder. IRL I freak out and start throwing everything away when it starts to take up too much of my living space.

 

[V_Arnold]

We need to know this asap. Seriously. 350 is not going to be enough space, this aint WoW man. There really needs to be a shared and non shared so we can make mules, or the community is going to flip the fuck out.

Flip the fuck out? WTF, man.
It is more than enough. One full tabs or two for all the gems/runes. Other three tabs for the uniques. Other stuffs that you are trading with keeps on going in the AH.

 

[squidyj]

Bigger stash?

That'll be $15,99.

It's bought with gold afaik

 

[Freki]

Trolling or not? because you would be able to make mules and take the items from the shared stash.

Unlimited Stash.

10char limit says hi!

 

[Hellsing321]

I think the problem here is that people are going to roll more than one character, creating a need for an addition unshared stash. In D2, I've leveled plenty of characters past 80. I'd have had to create a dozen new accounts or more if 350 inventory slots was all I'd be able to get out of them. And with the current system in D3, you'll need multiple copies of the game to mule, something that's utterly ridiculous. 350 slots is a lot for one character, less so if you're using the auction house a lot, and it's effectively nothing if split across a lifetime of characters. That's what the issue is here.

I haven't been keeping up but why do you need multiple copies to mule? Can't you just use the shared stash to move items between characters or mules?

Edit: Didn't know there was a 10 character limit.

 

[hayguyz]

Part of my post from other board.

Not, its not. Do some math. D2 had 88 slots per character and You can have 10 of them, so 880 per account and You could have multiple accounts, in D3 You cant because of BN 2.0.

Now runes, there are 5 type runes for every skill and every character has 24+ skills, so You need 120 slots just to store runes of one lvl [there are 7 of those!] for one char to have different builds.

Now gems, there are 6 type of gems and they drop only to lvl 6 and there are 14 [dont remember exactly] levels of gems and to make higher lvl gem You need 3 lower level.
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8822/gemlevels.jpg

Most items takes 2 slots.

There are so many things to store that its not even funny. 350 slots its less than 4 character slots in D2!
Just count how many You need, different gems [high level to use/sell or low level to craft higher ones] and runes for different builds and characters, low level pvp gear, low lvl pve gear, high lvl pvp gear [for couple of builds], additional items for current build, items for sell, uniques/items You like or for new characters and all of that in 350 slots, period, You cant make new account, new char, new mule, this is it.

Less stash space to hoard items equals more items being purchased on the auction house when you need them equals more money for Blizzard.

 

[Raide]

Part of my post from other board.

Not, its not. Do some math. D2 had 88 slots per character and You can have 10 of them, so 880 per account and You could have multiple accounts, in D3 You cant because of BN 2.0.

Now runes, there are 5 type runes for every skill and every character has 24+ skills, so You need 120 slots just to store runes of one lvl [there are 7 of those!] for one char to have different builds.

Now gems, there are 6 type of gems and they drop only to lvl 6 and there are 14 [dont remember exactly] levels of gems and to make higher lvl gem You need 3 lower level.
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8822/gemlevels.jpg

Most items takes 2 slots.

There are so many things to store that its not even funny. 350 slots its less than 4 character slots in D2!


They deny it on this page, look:
"In addition to a character's personal inventory, players in Diablo III will also have access to a shared stash, a new storage option which can be used by all characters on a Diablo III account."

The Runes are not skill specific are they? I thought you just find a certain Rune and it can be used for any skill?

As for Gems, if you intend on keeping all sizes, then you may have an OCD with collecting stuff. I always convert them to the highest one, just to save space and keep track of things.

I am sure Blizzard will say what is actually going on but I can see people making lots of Mules but it would be better to just increase it and cut down on the need for mules.

 

[V_Arnold]

Also why do I get the feeling that some people compare one slot from D2 to one slot in D3, where items only take one or two space in D3 at max?

 

[Instro]

Part of my post from other board.

Not, its not. Do some math. D2 had 88 slots per character and You can have 10 of them, so 880 per account and You could have multiple accounts, in D3 You cant because of BN 2.0.

Uh in D2, you had items that took up 8 slots of space at once, so your math is a little off. Afaik, nothing goes above 2 in D3 correct? As for multiple accounts, if you are hoarding so much crap that you need more than 1-2 accounts for item muling, then you are doing it wrong.

 

[V_Arnold]

Also: you can have 10 character's inventory slots PLUS the stash. So that is 350+10*what?

 

[SamuraiX-]

Also: you can have 10 character's inventory slots PLUS the stash. So that is 350+10*what?

Yes, but if you create one of each character that you want actually play, that leaves only 5 character slots for muling.

Once that shared stash runs out, there's not much space left.

 

[Instro]

Oh and uh, isn't it 8 characters per account in D2?

 

[Tacitus_]

It's bought with gold afaik

You can buy gold with money soooo.... /devilsadvocate

A shared stash of 35 slots per char sounds really small, but it really depends on how much stuff you need to carry in there. With the way Blizz has been forcing crow down throats with the F&F beta, I'm not too worried tbh.

Oh and uh, isn't it 8 characters per account in D2?

Account creation was free and unlimited after buying D2 so effectively unlimited stash.

 

[V_Arnold]

Yes, but if you create one of each character that you want actually play, that leaves only 5 character slots for muling.

Once that shared stash runs out, there's not much space left.

You can always put a lot of items into the AH way overpriced.
And if you really, really, really need more space, then...

..sell that Inferno unique that is good and you are holding onto it, then buy one D3 account from Blizz store, and tada.... more space

You can buy gold with money soooo.... /devilsadvocate

Repairing ingame to cost IRL money confirmed!!!!!4 OMG!

 

[Raide]

Oh and uh, isn't it 8 characters per account in D2?

I don't think there was one. Maybe for Battle.net usage but you can have as many as you want offline.

 

[TUSR]

10char limit says hi!

I could potentially see this now being a problem. I was on media blackout until beta information came out. Still catching up.

Oh and uh, isn't it 8 characters per account in D2?

But you could have unlimited accounts because your account wasn't bound to the now specific BNet account.

 

[Freki]

Oh and uh, isn't it 8 characters per account in D2?

unlimited accounts per key ;-)

 

[SamuraiX-]

Oh and uh, isn't it 8 characters per account in D2?

If I remember correctly, yes, but you could create as many alternate accounts as you wanted, allowing for a virtually infinite amount of inventory/stash slots.

 

[Instro]

unlimited accounts per key ;-)

Yes I know, but I was referring to his math about there being 10 characters per account in Diablo 2.

 

[V_Arnold]

I would love to have some of your problems please

I would love to be in a situation already when I played D3 so much that I am at my 6th lv60 infernoing char for some weird reason, and I ran out of space becaue my stash contains so much godlike unique.

Would solve the "problem" by giving away and selling all my stuff that I do not use and go order 2-3 stashes of beers instead

 

[SamuraiX-]

You can always put a lot of items into the AH way overpriced.
And if you really, really, really need more space, then...

..sell that Inferno unique that is good and you are holding onto it, then buy one D3 account from Blizz store, and tada.... more space

I'm guessing, like in FFXI, there will be a strict limit to how much you can auction off at one time. Not mention you would have to keep running back and forth once the auction for those items ended so you can repost them.

And I'm sorry, but if it comes down to the bold, that is insanely fucking pathetic on Blizzard's behalf.

 

[Tripwood]

Why do mantras have a limited duration of 120sec on a 30sec cooldown at 0 cost?
Why not just make them auras?

 

[MrKnives]

Why do mantras have a limited duration of 120sec on a 30sec cooldown at 0 cost?
Why not just make them auras?

forget to activate = fuck up and die = harder.

At least how I take it

 

[chris-013]

Why do mantras have a limited duration of 120sec on a 30sec cooldown at 0 cost?
Why not just make them auras?

Because you don't click enough if they are auras...

 

[V_Arnold]

I'm guessing, like in FFXI, there will be a strict limit to how much you can auction off at one time. Not mention you would have to keep running back and forth once the auction for those items ended so you can repost them.

And I'm sorry, but if it comes down to the bold, that is insanely fucking pathetic on Blizzard's behalf.

I am sorry, but if that is the "insanely fucking pathetic" that in a game you have SOME kind of limitation, making you actually think about managing your stuffz, then this is an insanely fucking pathetic thing that I am prepared to enjoy

 

[TheExodu5]

Auras are also more limiting since they take up one of your mouse buttons.

 

[iamblades]

I'm guessing, like in FFXI, there will be a strict limit to how much you can auction off at one time. Not mention you would have to keep running back and forth once the auction for those items ended so you can repost them.

And I'm sorry, but if it comes down to the bold, that is insanely fucking pathetic on Blizzard's behalf.

I'd imagine it'll be more like WoW's auction house, which has been a huge success for them. Unlimited number of auctions, but limited time.

Since they are making a percentage on the auctions they may make them truly unlimited.

 

[Raide]

I'd imagine it'll be more like WoW's auction house, which has been a huge success for them. Unlimited number of auctions, but limited time.

Since they are making a percentage on the auctions they may make them truly unlimited.

I wonder if they will have the same system as WoW, where items that run out get mailed back to you?

 

[V_Arnold]

I am sure there WILL be some sort of limits like 50-100 auctions at max, otherwise idiots would start abusing it by placing lv1 greys with insane price just to see if they can fuck up the AH engine within a day or two. Just like people always wanted to break down servers in WoW by placing as many corpses into cities as possible, and never logging back to them again, etc.

 

[MrKnives]

Is the space problem for super hardcore players? I had 95lvl Necromancer and did boss runs with friends to get more stuff but I don't ever remember having a problem with space. I didn't even have that many mules.
I only kept the super unique stuff and looking the fact some items took up to 8 spaces and in DIII I think 3 is max? (don't really remember)
350 slots + mules you make (unless you want play all 10 characters) I don't feel there is a issue here.

 

[iamblades]

I am sure there WILL be some sort of limits like 50-100 auctions at max, otherwise idiots would start abusing it by placing lv1 greys with insane price just to see if they can fuck up the AH engine within a day or two. Just like people always wanted to break down servers in WoW by placing as many corpses into cities as possible, and never logging back to them again, etc.

That's what the deposit system is there for.. They charge for auction slots so people don't spam useless crap.

 

[KKRT00]

The Runes are not skill specific are they? I thought you just find a certain Rune and it can be used for any skill?
.

Once activated, runes become skill specific, so You cant use them on other skills/chars.

As for Gems, if you intend on keeping all sizes, then you may have an OCD with collecting stuff. I always convert them to the highest one, just to save space and keep track of things.
.

Because You dont need low level ones for lower lvl chars/builds, dont You? Think guys, really.

Uh in D2, you had items that took up 8 slots of space at once, so your math is a little off. Afaik, nothing goes above 2 in D3 correct? As for multiple accounts, if you are hoarding so much crap that you need more than 1-2 accounts for item muling, then you are doing it wrong.

Read whole post...

You can always put a lot of items into the AH way overpriced.
And if you really, really, really need more space, then...

There will be limit of auctions per account.

I am sorry, but if that is the "insanely fucking pathetic" that in a game you have SOME kind of limitation, making you actually think about managing your stuffz, then this is an insanely fucking pathetic thing that I am prepared to enjoy

Btw i havent seen Your single post with critics toward Diablo 3, i can understand many things, but 350 slots are awful mistake and defending is just a bias, sorry.
I can bet with anyone that in one/two weeks You'll be screaming for more slots, that's just granted.

http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/data/630/medium/stash-in-town.jpg

 

[hayguyz]

That's what the deposit system is there for.. They charge for auction slots so people don't spam useless crap.

It's not an deposit. They are charging listing fees just like ebay. You will get a couple free listings per week or something like that.

 

[V_Arnold]

Btw i havent seen Your single post with critics toward Diablo 3, i can understand many things, but 350 slots are awful mistake and defending is just a bias, sorry.
I can bet with anyone that in one/two weeks You'll be screaming for more slots, that's just granted.

I do not see nothing wrong with loving the game. But people are looking for things like this to freak out upon. Who the hell cares what unlimited space was available to you in D2 when that was a duper/hacker/bot paradise? You just cant get out one point of a system, freak out, and then scream "fail", because THAT would be bias.

I reserve my judgement until I can play the full game, but until that? Nothing stops me from accepting limitations, just like there are limitations in EVERY SINGLE game out there. I do not flip out and freak out by it. Especially not when there will be a healthy AH ecosystem in the game, therefore I wont depend on my stash at all when creating a new character.

 

[TheExodu5]

It's not hard to understand why people want more space: it would be nice to have enough space to have a full collection of all the uniques and set items in the game, along with other misc. rare pieces. I'm not hugely bothered by the allotted storage, since I'm not bothered by not being able to horde everything, but I can understand others having an issue with it.

 

[MrKnives]

350 slots are awful mistake and defending is just a bias, sorry.
I can bet with anyone that in one/two weeks You'll be screaming for more slots, that's just granted.

I'm prepared to eat my words and whine it comes to that.
In a way I see that 350 + character stashes can be enough because there isn't a reason to store your older gear. Only gear you will ever want to keep is what you get in Inferno. Everything before that you will be chanding for a newer ones.

That said I can see it being a problem for some and to be honest I don't see a reason why it needed to be limited at 350. I think I will be fine but I do wish they would extend it a bit.

How much slots one hero has? If a regular gear takes 2 slots that's about 175 items you can store there. That's if they are all 2 slots.