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Diablo III |OT4| Antiques Roadshow: Sanctuary Edition
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CarbonatedFalcon
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Higher gear levels down the road will make melee way better than DHs (and to an extent Wizards, which I think are probably more OP.)
It may be hard for melee now, but when they finally hit the gear thresholds for tanking stuff, they'll be able to farm reliably without much worry for death while DHs, even with more tanky gear, would still only be able to take 1-2 hits max and have to be on edge all the time.
Tanks with bad gear now will get good gear eventually, and become unstoppable. Glass cannons will still be glass cannons, even with more DPS.
Pretty much. Ya I can clear act 4 shit, but it's infuriating to do so and just not fun.
The only class that needs a buff is the barb. And that's because it badly needs some variety in its visual presentation and skill design. I'm 100% convinced that Blizzard phoned the barbarian class in since they assumed most diablo 2 vets would want to play one of the "classic" classes regardless while they spent all that design work on making the other classes look awesome.
-armor design ranges from mediocre to shit
-skill design and variety are limited (have fun trying to escape cookie cutter builds in inferno)
-skill visual and sound design are extremely limited.Where other classes have runes significantly altering a skill's visual effects and sound, barbs have absolutely nothing that wows you once you get over the bass and crunch of hitting enemies. Monks have lots of mediocre skills but damn don't they look great and blizz sure put in a lot of effort animating combo hits for their spirit generators while barbs only get the same 2 canned animations for swinging left/right that are reused repeatedly. WD's runes give you whole new skills to play with, like the 3man zombie luchador elbow drop that is the single best attack skill in diablo3, nay, in all of ARPG-gaming. Almost all barb skills are unchanged in appearance regardless of rune.
-dash and sprint icons are just reversed/color-swapped. This is some dota2 beta MSPaint level of phoning it in.
-fembarb screams like little girl when she dies. Skweeeeeeee!
-there is no sense of feeling more powerful or having skill diversity as you unlock more skills and runes.
Blizzard should patch-in some better animations or at least promise that in the expansion because this is the biggest issue with barbs right now. I don't care about IAS nerfs or loot buffs, I just want my fembarb to actually look and sounds awesome
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-armor design ranges from mediocre to shit
-skill design and variety are limited (have fun trying to escape cookie cutter builds in inferno)
-skill visual and sound design are extremely limited.Where other classes have runes significantly altering a skill's visual effects and sound, barbs have absolutely nothing that wows you once you get over the bass and crunch of hitting enemies. Monks have lots of mediocre skills but damn don't they look great and blizz sure put in a lot of effort animating combo hits for their spirit generators while barbs only get the same 2 canned animations for swinging left/right that are reused repeatedly. WD's runes give you whole new skills to play with, like the 3man zombie luchador elbow drop that is the single best attack skill in diablo3, nay, in all of ARPG-gaming. Almost all barb skills are unchanged in appearance regardless of rune.
-dash and sprint icons are just reversed/color-swapped. This is some dota2 beta MSPaint level of phoning it in.
-fembarb screams like little girl when she dies. Skweeeeeeee!
-there is no sense of feeling more powerful or having skill diversity as you unlock more skills and runes.
Blizzard should patch-in some better animations or at least promise that in the expansion because this is the biggest issue with barbs right now. I don't care about IAS nerfs or loot buffs, I just want my fembarb to actually look and sounds awesome
(BigJonsson
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For a Witch Doctor with 1100 something Int and an 842 damage weapon.......how much of a dps increase might there be with an 1100 damage weapon upgrade?
Fenderputty
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Like I said ... I would be fine with a buff of other classes. I just think it's very unlikely.
That is real weird then. Got any other credit/debit cards?
If not, call Blizzard again and clearly explain to them that you've been back and forth between their departments. You might of done that already .... if so, then tell Blizzard to stop being a bunch of idiots.
Keep calling until you find a customer service person who can be helpful.
cpp_is_king
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Woo-Fu
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If by "ALOT harder" you mean impossible, then you are correct.
Fenderputty
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Umm I keep hearing this, but I think the statment undervalues how difficult it is to gear a melee class. I've seem many monks on this very forum change classes for the very reason that it costs WAY too much to be viable.
So why play a DH? If you don't like kiting and dying in one hit while dealing massive damage, why play the class? Seems like an exercise in frustration.
BigJonsson
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I think I need to get to 40k dps but I can't figure out how........short of 200 int items at every slot
Thanks for the response, appreciate it. It's really weird. Never had a problem with Blizzard on my account. I guess worst case scenario is that I dispute the charge on my credit card so I don't lose the $64. Sucks a lot though.
Cause I have it, and I don't feel like leveling another character. Not to mention I'm not playing a lot.
Almost everyone has to skip soul rippers, there are some affix combos which are okay, but most of them you just have to kite to a corner and skip.
I've got 40k dps with 1740 int, 840 dps 1h, 99-379 mojo, 2.03 attack speed and fuck all crit. Shoot for more int and crit I guess.
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Has there been any update on when 1.0.3 is expected to drop?
Not Caltrops with tortured ground? I couldn't imagine doing my Inferno Runs without that.
BigJonsson
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Your attack speed is higher than mine, I believe I have 1.8
But buying more AS gear would be foolish at this point until the changes are known
I don't use them. I find tactical advantage gives me all the kiting I need.
I could help in a bit. Unfortunately I'm about to get on a conference call for work, though
Add RDreamer#1621, and if you still need help later I'd be glad to.
Aite cool, added.I could help in a bit. Unfortunately I'm about to get on a conference call for work, though
Add RDreamer#1621, and if you still need help later I'd be glad to.
cpp_is_king
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Call back and just explain that you've gone through all avenues and nobody's helped you and you want either the phone number of a person who can help you or a supervisor
BigBlue1974
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Yeah I love this one when running Whimsy, really allows me to decimate the mobs and slow down those ponies that can come at you really fast sometimes. I also don't run companion but I think I should for the hatred regen.
I like having the movement speed because it's just really useful with keeping the champ packs as far away as possible. Not positive but if you are running Tactical Advantage as the passive, the 60% boost you receive is put against your total movement speed which means even more speed? Someone else can confirm that though.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Well, they'd be cheaper if not for market prices being so slanted against them :x
Glass cannon wise, anyway...
CarbonatedFalcon
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This. Plus movement speed boots.
Caltrops is cheap in Disc, but I'd rather use that for SS. I'd probably use it (more than the few times I do) if it was placeable like Spike Trap.
neoism
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took me 80+ runs....
Yeah I don't use a companion unless I'm in Act 1, and even then it's the ferrets. Also, I always have caltrops with the snare, such an amazing skill.
Yes and no. Depends on where that loss will put you and how you're playing. I went from 13x dex, 12x vit, 53 all resist boots to 13x dex, 6x vit, 29 all resist and 12% move speed and both have their place. In general I use the move speed boots until I find a mob where I need more hp and resist (see: soul lashers) and then doesn't matter if I can out run them if I can't take their damage.
Luckily, I found mine and didn't have to pay. If you have the gold though might invest in them.
Shhhh I like the quiver prices right now! I can get good (60ish) dex, 15x vit, 7+%life, 15% aspd, and +disc for sub 100k!
Jesus. For the last 30 minutes I've been getting the message "currently the hold queue is full and we cannot take your call. Please call back later." Either everyone and their dogs are hitting the Blizzard customer service phonelines or Blizzard customer support really sucks.
IDK about later on, but as far as act 1 inferno goes, right now DK's are probably most expensive to outfit. You can get the allresists for barb or monk that will last you till the end of act 1 for spare change, and wizards/WD's are almost just as easy stat-wise, and cheaper than DH's.
Bog
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Pretty sure you haven't looked too recently. Something like that would be an easy 500k.
What is so bloody expensive that you need for act one for a DH? You don't even need an expensive bow.
Ok, it was a slight hyperbole. I actually looked at lunch for an upgrade and there was one that didn't have a bid for 135k with some stupid buyout. And quite a few others that weren't quite as good stat wise but still very cheap.
Well, not every DH wants to stay in act 1. So there's the first issue here.
Starting off? I'd say they're the cheapest (or one of; hell, my DH is still in shitty Gold Find equipment for Inferno). Their later pieces aren't as cheap, however. But I guess we're also looking at just really high prices across the board at that point anyway.
I'm wearing bargain basement stuff right now and do act 4 (though haven't attempted diablo, don't even care to).
Only thing remotely pricey is my bow which was 1.5 mil.
Thing is you don't need to cover all your bases with DH
-Defense/vitality? Who the hell needs
-Life on hit? Don't need
-Resistances? Don't need
-High dex? DONT NEED
THings you need:
-Crit
-Crit damage
-Decent Dex (I'm rolling with 1700 right now?)
-Max discipline
You may laugh, but I get 5 stacks of NV in act 4. Beat izual etc. You don't need it. Is it nice? Sure... but ya unlike barb/monk a DH can get by on cheap items.
You still don't get it, and it's clear you never will. So carry on.
edit: I'll be generous. You're dealing in definitives and blanket statements as if there's no other viable way to play the class.
I'm not saying there isn't any other ways. But that doesn't mean you can't play DH dirt cheap, other classes don't have that option.
Which is why I said glass cannon wise, they're relatively cheap. They're just as expensive for more fleshed out builds.
You show that pleb, guy.
He's proven your point wrong and all you have to offer is condescension? Yes, if you don't want to die all the time, survivability is clearly an important factor and doesn't come cheap. If you don't, the class allows you to cheapskate your way through Inferno. You're the one insisting on the survivability route because it preserves your position as being the more valid of the two.
Sorry if this is a bit scathing, but fuck...
Well, people know about that passive so things get priced accordingly. And this also makes it sound like "get enough Resistances, you win!" and that line of thinking is basically why prices are kind of screwed up and why people find Inferno as hard as they do.
Teleporting (Wizard) directly into a cage is even more fun.
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