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Diablo III |OT4| Antiques Roadshow: Sanctuary Edition
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Black Canyon Mines is my favorite area for Act 2 farming. Small area, usually spawns 3 groups of elites.
Except that time when I used the way point and have all 3 groups spawned right next to it.
FINALLY found something good.
Hell to the yea, to the RMAH I go!
What act did u find that at?
There is no point of diminishing returns, the percent that each resist point increases the displayed value is reduced, but it still substantially decreases damage.
I don't vault into a pack of them expecting not to get hit and I never said. Yes, you do get hit by quicker attacks if they run right up and attack, surround me, corner me, or hit me while being attacked by abilities from elites. I use vault to dodge a slow attack which the animation of the game says should work.
Yes, they're forcing me to not dodge attacks but instead stay as far away as possible (but not too far or the elites will full regen health). Said this several times but this isn't limited to vault or the demon hunter character at all. It's with all characters. You can be hit while walking away from the animation hitbox. Btw, I am using vault properly. It's a quick move that, according to animations, can be used to dodge attacks.
iceDragon7
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so an amulet with 125 STR and 6% crit hit chance wouldnt happen to be worth anything, would it? i havent been keeping up with what things go for and i just hit inferno so everything looks good.
FINALLY found something good.
Hell to the yea, to the RMAH I go!
Why did you shop out the ilvl?
Do AH listings show ilvl? Or maybe he got this drop before the 1.03 patch, got mired in work and real life, and could only post his elation now.
It seems like I have to break this down, because there's some disconnect:
Right, they're forcing you to avoid attacks. You can't dodge a melee attack (unless you "dodge" via dex) once that attack has been initiated on you by simply moving further away than melee range. That is by design, you're free to not like it, but that's by design. I understand the thought behind "I'm further way than melee, so I shouldn't be hit by melee" as it works in other games. However it isn't the case in this game, and unfortunately you have to play by this games rules.
Ok, I never said you did. I'm simply saying if you don't do this, you won't get hit from a melee attack - if you're out of range of melee, you won't be hit by melee.
Of course you're going to be hit by a melee attack if you're in melee range. I never said otherwise. I did say " Nor will you get hit by quicker attacks and speed if you're never in range of them melee attacking." It seems you misunderstood that.
You're using the skill wrong. That isn't how it's (vault) supposed to work per the design of the game. To your bolded: I've explained why what the animation says and how the actual design differs. Bashiok explicitly stated the difference as well.
Right, they're forcing you to avoid attacks. You can't dodge a melee attack (unless you "dodge" via dex) once that attack has been initiated on you by simply moving further away than melee range. That is by design, you're free to not like it, but that's by design. I understand the thought behind "I'm further way than melee, so I shouldn't be hit by melee" as it works in other games. However it isn't the case in this game, and unfortunately you have to play by this games rules.
Woo-Fu
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black canyon - 2-3 elites around waypoint
road to alcarnus - over bridge into town 1-2 elites
khasim outpost - 1 elite to south
sewers - 1-2 elites
vault of assassins - LOTS of elites, lol.
I've got the game setup so that when I start a new game I'm already in the vault so I don't have to find it in the wastes each time. At start I tp to town then use the waypoints for the first 4 stops and then take the TP back to vault to clean up in there.
The Vault has an ungodly amount of elites in it.
I'm not sure why the iLvl is blocked, I just snapped a SS of it in the AH, don't have it pulled up right now but I'll check it in a sec.
lol you don't have to. Just thought it was odd. Grats on the SS though. Really nice roll on the block %
Finally got a bid of $15 on that Dex Andy after listing like four times unsuccessfully. There's at least one person playing this game.
Edit: Dat SS.
I was co-opping with SquidyJ (I think) when a legendary shield dropped for him. We all went "BEEEE STORMSHIELDDDDD" and it was a shitty Ivory Tower ;_;
Edit: Dat SS.
I was co-opping with SquidyJ (I think) when a legendary shield dropped for him. We all went "BEEEE STORMSHIELDDDDD" and it was a shitty Ivory Tower ;_;
I don't know why you mentioned vaulting into a mob then. I am out of range when the attack is in animation. The whole point of animations, besides being pretty, is letting us know what's really happening.
But I'm not in melee range. I'm half a screen away lol. If I'm in range of quicker attacks then vaulting away will be much harder. Not impossible, since dodging should never be impossible, just difficult to the point where more mistakes are likely to be made. I didn't misunderstand it...
It's a skill that should have more than one purpose. I'm not using it wrong according to the animation team since quickly putting distance between you and the attacker appears to be one of it's purposes. As already stated, this happens when simply walking. Never said it was vault only or even skill only. It's any situation where you're in some invisible attack range and try to move out mid animation. This isn't a turn based rpg so dodging should be an option.
Again, I know it doesn't work. I know the animation isn't accurate to what's actually happening. These are my complaints after all.
It's not a video game thing that should differ from game to game. Animations should match what is happening in every game.
It's the ones that are slow enough to easily be dodged but quick enough that the animation isn't 5 seconds long that I have a problem with. The ponies is a good example. When they start animation I would hit vault. As I was flying across the screen they'd do the part of the animation that would kick me though I was no longer there. I'd land and die.
I used to do Maghda runs because I was bored of act 1. Just seek out the elite packs in each desert area and inside ruins and story dungeons. Someone already wrote a path you can try. Now I start from the ZK mission and kill him as the last thing to do. Belial isn't worth the effort at all.
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
rCIZZLE, I get that you can't wrap your head around their design decision, but the cold hard fact is that you're using Vault incorrectly.
And yes, that does matter, because every skill has a purpose. That's why you get like, 30 of them.
I could bitch and complain all day about how dashing strike doesn't go anywhere unless you're targeting something, but that's simply not how the skill is supposed to work. End of story. You may not like that, but you don't make the rules of the game.
My advice would be to actually use caltrops the way they were intended, and actually use vault the way it was created: by vaulting before anything is close to touching you. That is the whole damn point of the ability. Frankly, if you could just vault around without anything hitting you, the rune that halves vault cost would be grossly overpowered.
Not to mention that you have access to evasive fire, an ability that does EXACTLY what you want. Yet you're using vault instead.
And yes, that does matter, because every skill has a purpose. That's why you get like, 30 of them.
I could bitch and complain all day about how dashing strike doesn't go anywhere unless you're targeting something, but that's simply not how the skill is supposed to work. End of story. You may not like that, but you don't make the rules of the game.
My advice would be to actually use caltrops the way they were intended, and actually use vault the way it was created: by vaulting before anything is close to touching you. That is the whole damn point of the ability. Frankly, if you could just vault around without anything hitting you, the rune that halves vault cost would be grossly overpowered.
Not to mention that you have access to evasive fire, an ability that does EXACTLY what you want. Yet you're using vault instead.
Off the top of my head here's about what I think you need:
13,000 dps
28,000 life
5,000 armor
32% dodge
1000 LOH
20% block with good block amount
~800 resists
All those unbuffed
More or less depending on build. I rolled with lightning flash and concussion going concurrently along with resolve for a passive, so I was mitigating a lot of damage.
If you want to get an idea of my equips:
I believe most of that equipment was what I had in Act 3, too. It got me through to Diablo on inferno, too, though I've changed some things up since then to make it a bit easier.
And my build is here
So, now that the game is dead, what is everyone buying with their RMAH winnings?
This post was a fail, meant for the other Diablo 3 thread I have open. Since I can't undo it....this was sarcasm.
The question remains though. Personally, I think I'm going to finally upgrade my mobo/proc/RAM.
This post was a fail, meant for the other Diablo 3 thread I have open. Since I can't undo it....this was sarcasm.
The question remains though. Personally, I think I'm going to finally upgrade my mobo/proc/RAM.
Liferebooted
Banned
Can't tell its dying at all in game... just people and their forum talk claiming it is.
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
Someone should tell the people I play with every night that the game is dead. I don't think they got the memo.
(I realize it was sarcasm, btw.)
I'm not posting in that other thread anymore in response to what you're saying - keep it here.
cpp_is_king
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I guess I'll actually pick up Torchlight 2 so I can contribute to the OT. See the conclusion of the hype engine for that game. Besides that, LoL champs/skins I guess. Maybe just buy something random I want.
I sold two $150 items in the past 10 hours. Its only just getting started.
I'd say it's done being almost the equivalent of a minimum wage job you can do from your house. Yeah some people will get lucky with drops/crafting/etc, but the days of throwing any old thing up and having it sell are over.
Once gold selling is turned on, I don't think it will even be in the ballpark of a minimum wage job.
Edit: I should add that it shouldn't be that lucrative, that it never should have been that lucrative in the first place, etc. I say this as someone that took excellent advantage of the RMAH.
I said I understand their design decision but I disagree with it. The animation teams agree with me that Vault has the purpose of quick escape.
Even the skill description says this. In fact it looks like I'm the one using it for it's sole intended purpose.
There are plenty of other ways to die if I can dodge slower attacks. How many times do I need to say this? Quick attacks, being surrounded, elite affixes, mistakes, etc. Also, landing recovery on vault prevents godmode.
No, evasive fire isn't an ideal skill and I bet if I spent enough time with it I'd find the same problems.
Also, I'll bold this so you see it: The animation problem isn't limited to just vault or just skills. Running away from an attack can and does result in the same thing. Vault just shows how ridiculous it is.
What does animation have to do with damage taken... I still don't see your connection. Whether you're next to the mob or 100 yards away, if the mob has initiated a melee attack, you're going to take melee damage. Nothing to do with any animation or your location on the screen.
That is by design.
That is by design.
CrookedRain
Member
His point is that it's terribly designed. I agree with him.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
I think the design of unavoidable melee attacks has more to do with masking latency issues than anything else.
Correct. Exactly as it should be.
I know one thing about unavoidable attacks: I love teleporting out of nearly every heavily telegraphed attacks, and it works. I am not playing a melee class however, but both kiting and teleporting out of attacks work. Latency is usually around 45-140, not more. I am sure problems would come with that kind of latency.
Same. I have been farming goblins for the most part. That's pretty much the closest thing I can get to those quick D2 boss runs.
I think Air Zombie is more on the mark. It's a latency thing for an "always connected" game.
i don't have any MF gear to make farming goblins worthwhile. i do have 2.4mil so maybe i should look into that? i guess if i'm switching gear to kill goblins it won't really matter what stats it has except str and MF
I know how it works. You didn't tell me anything, I knew that coming in hence my whole complaint. I'm saying that's sloppy design. It would be better if this was like real life or games that have polished combat in that dodging means something. This isn't a turn based rpg. It's supposed to be real time combat. There's nothing real time about being hit before you're hit.
Why are you not understanding that I know this. I. Know. This. I'm the one who brought it up!
The animation is not what is happening. According to the animation I avoided the attack. If combat was polished it'd look like:
Melee attack animation begins
You move from melee range
Melee attack animation ends
I want the animation and how damage is assigned to work together. If the attack hitbox and my hurtbox overlap during the attack then I'm assigned damage. If they don't, I don't take damage.
It's not.
This is the problem. Hitboxes aren't a new concept and I didn't think they were difficult until Diablo 3. (and early CS Source but that's another topic)
Every enemy attack animation has a point of no return, where if you're within the hit box, it's going to get you. It doesn't matter what you do once it's hit that point. As a DH, this is incredibly frustrating. We get to see our characters (ten feet away) drop dead due to melee attacks that never should have hit.
Apparently natalya's disc regen won't get nerfed/fixed, so I suppose there will be other similarly "broken" set bonuses in a future patch
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5911883850
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5911883850
It also takes too long. Unless you have more than an hour to spare, farming is pointless.
It's shitty design in my opinion. Although I wish real life boxing matches worked like this. It would be hilarious to watch.
I guess I'm just spoiled by games with hitboxes.
I know it's by design, they said it on the official forums and I was the first person to bring it up in this discussion.
Got it. So in real life, if someone is in my face and wants to punch or stab me, all I have to do wait for them to start swinging, then slowly step backwards a bit. Then I can safely step forwards afterwards and wait for them to start swinging again. Then rinse and repeat.
Good to know!
It's not that spectacular of a bonus that it needed to be nerfed. +2 discipline per second, but only if you're wearing multiple items that keep you from maxing crit like everyone else.
KittenMaster
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I am not a DH player (well, I am *now*, rolling a melee DH in HC like a fool. ), but I should expect Vault to have a property which cancels being set to get hit by an attack if an enemy's animation starts.
), but I should expect Vault to have a property which cancels being set to get hit by an attack if an enemy's animation starts.I said it before but, honestly, I'm glad it's this way. It saves me the trouble of having to dance in and out of combat constantly for every single class I play. I guess I'm lazy :x
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