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Diablo III |OT4| Antiques Roadshow: Sanctuary Edition
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But they're going to be worth less money now.
Shouta
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Well, I'll be damned. Act 2 Inferno actually gave me something sellable again.
Also got this on the AH for 500k as a replacement for my IAS/LoH ring, which sold for 2 mil.
No IAS at all on my Monk now aside from Enchantress buff. Doing Act 2 with my cousin's Barb is hilarious because we just sit there and don't have to worry about anything, even Belial isn't a threat and can be straight-tanked even though I don't have IAS.
Also got this on the AH for 500k as a replacement for my IAS/LoH ring, which sold for 2 mil.
No IAS at all on my Monk now aside from Enchantress buff. Doing Act 2 with my cousin's Barb is hilarious because we just sit there and don't have to worry about anything, even Belial isn't a threat and can be straight-tanked even though I don't have IAS.
Why do you say this? All the evidence says keeping a 10:1 ratio gives you more EHP.
Vincent Alexander
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CarbonatedFalcon
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I think the IAS thing is a bit overblown. I'm in Act 2 (on the 2 bloods part now) and the only IAS thing I have is 11% (which is low already) on a ring. It was powerful yeah, but if you were overly reliant on it before, you were probably kind of OP and on easy mode. I've seen people playing with really high IAS and it just seems kinda stupid being able to fire off at least 2x the attacks I do in the same span of time.
After getting a higher damage weapon (and a couple of smaller things - 20-30k here and there), Act 2 at least hasn't been that bad. Except for rape snakes. Fuck the rape snakes.
This guy was alot of bad too:
Clearly I did get mangled
Getting fast pretty much anything in those sewers kinda sucks cause it's all corridors and there's not much room to kite. Mortar in those corridors is also terrible. Also died to surprise attack electric eels a couple times, sneaking out of the little grates. Even normal versions of those guys could one or two shot me, and there's pretty much no warning. Spent awhile on an elite pack of eels as well earlier today. I would never play a DH in hardcore.
I don't know, I think they are going to keep their value. People forget that the jewel tomes alone are worth 500 Gold, and to make Flawless Squares costs 2. So they will likely keep their auction value.
Well yeah, those who had a lot of IAS items are also those breaking 80-100k dps barriers.
But it's a big improvement for a single item stat, which is why they're nerfing it.
I'm pretty sure you can, I went through Act 2 with only 36K HP, no resists, and around 36K DPS (with archery and steady aim). But yeah, after the Attack Speed nerf, DPS is going to drop a lot as I have about 72% ASI in total :\
For one, the formula for EHP does actually give the best results at a 10:1 ratio (So 10000 Armor:1000 Resist is better then 5000 Armor:2000 Resist). Its just how the mitigation works.
The reasons healing effects and diamond skin are better if you have a lower base HP but the same EHP, is that they would cover a larger amount. If you have 400k EHP, 20k total normal HP, the 20k version of Diamond Skin absorbs 400k damage, while if you have 400k EHP, and 400k normal HP (Double the vit, lower armor/resist), the same Diamond would only absorb 200k damage.
Vincent Alexander
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Getting through Act2 Inferno with 13K HP, 22K DPS, 5K armor and 500 average resists on my Wizard is a riot. If anyone is up for it, I'd love some help once I get to Belial because he's going to destroy me like a little school girl.
Yeah its more of a range attacker thing. When we are moving and have enemies at the south end of the screen, we have to click down there to fire/attack at them. Where as a melee, you are normally in melee range and mainly click around the center of your screen. In battle things can get hectic and you can easily click on your skill bar by accident and 'snap'! Off goes a skill you need, and your Valor stacks with it.
Hilariously bad design that your stacks dont vanish when a skill is CHANGED but when its removed from the bar..... Very idiotic.
Well, I'll be damned. Act 2 Inferno actually gave me something sellable again.
Alright, noone post anymore bow drops, Im starting to get insanely jealous.
Vincent Alexander
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I was about 30 minutes ago. I had 97 ms, but still hopping around. Right now I'm not feeling much.
Boogalogist
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Ever since the launch of Diablo 3, this game has my soul. I don't even log in much to GAF anymore!
After viewing this thread, I think I should log in here to at least try to peddle some stuff. All my other 9 character slots are full of junk farmed from Butcher runs.
I have been doing Inferno Butcher runs as I totally get creamed in Act 2. And then yesterday, I tried Act 2 with a bunch of guys, and realised it wasn't so bad after all with a good tanker.
I sold a decent Natalya's Mark ring (+83 dex) for US$100. God bless RMAH! Now...to find a sucke....errr...buyer to buy my Gladiator's Gauntlets (with sucky stats).
Seriously, some of the legendary drops are just terrrrrribad. A friend got 3 Legendary drops in a night (on Inferno mode)...and they were all crap.
After viewing this thread, I think I should log in here to at least try to peddle some stuff. All my other 9 character slots are full of junk farmed from Butcher runs.
I have been doing Inferno Butcher runs as I totally get creamed in Act 2. And then yesterday, I tried Act 2 with a bunch of guys, and realised it wasn't so bad after all with a good tanker.
I sold a decent Natalya's Mark ring (+83 dex) for US$100. God bless RMAH! Now...to find a sucke....errr...buyer to buy my Gladiator's Gauntlets (with sucky stats).
Seriously, some of the legendary drops are just terrrrrribad. A friend got 3 Legendary drops in a night (on Inferno mode)...and they were all crap.
A bit late to this...
It's more that as Mitigation goes up and average damage per hit goes down, getting a greater percentage of your HP back per second is "stronger." Think of it as your regen per second vs the average damage you take per hit. This is a lot more relevant when kiting is involved and you can extend the time between hits taken as opposed to just tanking damage consistently (which is where two different mitigation/HP values with the same EHP are effectively the same).
Edit: Also, as far as Diamond Skin is considered, it's essentially raw HP. So the amount of hits it absorbs is based on your mitigation, not your total HP. 10,000 HP or 1,000,000 HP is irrelevant to Diamond Skin; 10% Mitigation to 50% Mitigation, however, is a different matter entirely.
You can plot them if you want. The returns are at their best when Armor = 10 * Resists. It's just the way they work.
+10 Armor vs +1 All Resist are essentially equivalent as far as they stand independent of the other. You're just better off with the two stats being equal than not. 4000 Armor / 400 Resists is better than 5000 Armor / 300 Resists. Granted, it's an unfair comparison but it creates a benchmark suggestion.
Also, it's only technically true that 10 Armor = 1 Resist when your Armor and Resists provide the same mitigation; when they're uneven, you get better returns on building up whichever is lower.
Edit: Worth noting this though, you are right that it comes down to itemization being a bit uneven; you get more +Resists than +Armor. Then again, Armor provides ... Armor. It kind of balances itself out down the road where base Armor with +Armor mods can get the same (or close enough) to the +All Resist that could have rolled on that slot.
It's more that as Mitigation goes up and average damage per hit goes down, getting a greater percentage of your HP back per second is "stronger." Think of it as your regen per second vs the average damage you take per hit. This is a lot more relevant when kiting is involved and you can extend the time between hits taken as opposed to just tanking damage consistently (which is where two different mitigation/HP values with the same EHP are effectively the same).
Edit: Also, as far as Diamond Skin is considered, it's essentially raw HP. So the amount of hits it absorbs is based on your mitigation, not your total HP. 10,000 HP or 1,000,000 HP is irrelevant to Diamond Skin; 10% Mitigation to 50% Mitigation, however, is a different matter entirely.
You can plot them if you want. The returns are at their best when Armor = 10 * Resists. It's just the way they work.
+10 Armor vs +1 All Resist are essentially equivalent as far as they stand independent of the other. You're just better off with the two stats being equal than not. 4000 Armor / 400 Resists is better than 5000 Armor / 300 Resists. Granted, it's an unfair comparison but it creates a benchmark suggestion.
Also, it's only technically true that 10 Armor = 1 Resist when your Armor and Resists provide the same mitigation; when they're uneven, you get better returns on building up whichever is lower.
Edit: Worth noting this though, you are right that it comes down to itemization being a bit uneven; you get more +Resists than +Armor. Then again, Armor provides ... Armor. It kind of balances itself out down the road where base Armor with +Armor mods can get the same (or close enough) to the +All Resist that could have rolled on that slot.
CarbonatedFalcon
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13k HP lol. I'm more curious as to how you avoided gear with Vitality to get that low. And 22k DPS seems awfully low especially with the level of HP you're rocking.
cpp_is_king
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Then after the nerf, go back to act 1 and gear up through butcher runs. Not sure why people keep comparing the current place they're at to the same place post nerf. With the repair cost increase, its basically expected that you will need to regress a little bit.
With the right dodging, you can probably just get Armor and Physical Resist and not notice half the time :x
They meant a hell of a lot in PvP.
Rentahamster
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Too bad about Kripp getting DDoSed and lagged out of his games. He seems like a cool guy.
Well, Fire would be nice since it's like 99% of the projectiles. But Arcane, Frost, and Lightning are pretty easy to dodge and Poison is rather common but, again, easy to dodge.
Vincent Alexander
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So what you're politely saying is I have a lot of shit gear....? I honestly think my chest piece and pants are holding me back the most. My chest has 3 sockets, 234 armor and shit stats, but I keep it for the 3 topaz I can put in it.
ZK is slapping me around. Yeah, Belial ain't happening.
Oh. Hm. So you're going to equip different gear based on what class you're against? Hrm.
was it confirmed, I know the other night he kept dropping connection. Is that why he's not on right now?
nm mod in stream chat posted an update
Well in d2 people had different sets for different opponents. You could stack resits + absorbs so a lightning sorc could literally not damage you.
Yeah, dodge is not a relevant or even valid form of mitigation IMO. Its just a roll, on of off. Thats just terrible. After the IAS nerf I think DH are really REALLY going to feel the pain of not having some sort of passive always on option for 20% reduced damage of melee/anything the way every other goddamn class in the game has. Or something that increases our resists by some percentage passively, or something that increases our armor by a percentage passively.
Instead we got this shitty short duration short ranged Gloom and Turrets, neither of which can be put up and last a long duration passively like all the other classes can. They are going to need to address that eventually. Really grates me that I could get 700 RA passively and still get my ass kicked in Inferno because I dont have an option for some percentage based passive defense/resist increase of damage reduction.
I think this type of thing is holding the RMAH back. This, combined with the buyer not instantly getting their item.
Having to wait to get paid for an item sucks, but waiting to get an item you've paid for must blow.
There are builds that are viable, it just takes a whole fuckton of DPS. Even then, yeah, you take a lot of deaths.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
He's got a YT video up about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9tkwh7siZk&list=UUeBMccz-PDZf6OB4aV6a3eA&index=1&feature=plcp
He seems to think so pretty strongly, showing how his DL stats are unusually high.
Fake controversy to generate views/interest? Who knows. Athene's hacking faked too? Who knows. I just know that he reminds me of a lot of my friends and he makes some funny and insightful commentary. I also like his attitude and approach to life, despite his vegan heresy
Fucking hate the hitbox in this game.
If I'm standing several in-game yards away when a cuddle bear begins waving its stupid little arms, I shouldn't die because game registered my presence next to the bear when its attack triggered in the code, and I managed to run away before the attack animation begins. Makes no sense.
TheDancingWatermelon
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You can't even add funds in a timely manner. Had an auction Thursday night with an hour left that I wanted to bulk up my balance in case of a bidding war, it's STILL processing the order.
Definity
Member
Yeah, wtf. I went back and read the FAQ and it states 3-5 days for funds to show up. Here I was thinking that was a worse case and that I should see the funds pop up within a few minutes. Hell, I only added 10$ because I seen an item that I could've bought and then sold for at least 50$
cpp_is_king
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If you use a credit cait card you can pay instantly
He's got a YT video up about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9tkwh7siZk&list=UUeBMccz-PDZf6OB4aV6a3eA&index=1&feature=plcp
He seems to think so pretty strongly, showing how his DL stats are unusually high.
Fake controversy to generate views/interest? Who knows. Athene's hacking faked too? Who knows. I just know that he reminds me of a lot of my friends and he makes some funny and insightful commentary. I also like his attitude and approach to life, despite his vegan heresy
Wouldn't his ISP have noticed a 5 day long attack?
My parents opened one of those e-mails containing ye olde "Spam all your contacts with this virus/sales pitch" viruses, and within like an hour the ISP had locked it down, requiring new log-in credentials.
cpp_is_king
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Given that enemies will be doing less damage, how do you know such a passive would eve be necessary post 1.03?
TheDancingWatermelon
Member
Hmm good to know, still kind of silly that they partnered up with Paypal and yet it takes so long that way.
Definity
Member
Cool. Was trying to fund with PayPal since I had some money just sitting there. Thanks for the info.
To be fair, most the Monks are reporting good success with Evasion builds :x But that's at 60%+ Evasion, something a DH will never really reach.
Shadow Power + Gloom can be chained for awhile and the Life Steal on it is still good even with the Inferno reduction. Unless your DPS is just abysmal. There's a few DHs that are reporting fairly good success with Gloom builds rather than Smokescreen ones.
Same boat. I put $20 of seed money in my account, still hasn't shown up. To be fair, the amount is still "pending" with my bank, too. This was funding via my credit/debit card.
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