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[Nervous Sausage]

Microsofts first official unveiling was definitely not gamer focused but their E3 conference was actually ALL games nonstop whereas it was Sony's conference that devoted over 10 minutes to talking about their movie service. The PS3 was initially talked up as more of an entertainment machine and a Blu Ray player and was even bundled with Blu Ray movies instead of games at some places. That didn't make it any worse at playing games and I feel like the Xbox One is the same in that respect. Also to me, it makes more sense to buy the console that looks to have the better games in the short term and then maybe buy a PS4 later at some point, than to buy the PS4 first purely based on "potential" while I could be enjoying games on the Xbox One "now".

 

[Roland1979]

nsa?...o...kay

MS voluntary fed the NSA with everything it requested. How easy people forget. MS was also the first if i'm not mistaken and one of the biggest names on the list that got caught up in the scandal. Of course wanting total information control is completely harmless... right?

u dont watch tv...you dont go on social network (you know that a forum is a "social service" right?)...and u scared of nsa?
...o...kay

you must admitt that reading like this..seem that
...something is wrong here

I see you edited something. And are you ACTUALLY ACCUSING ME OF SOMETHING!? Sure body.
Maybe there's is something wrong with your Patriot Act. Maybe there is something wrong with the US by threatening with trade embargo's if coalition forces not aid in the attack of oil rich nations. Maybe there is something wrong with suspecting terrorists behind every rock in the Middle East. I can go on and on. Besides why should i embrace a foreign spy agency?

 

[twobear]

If you want to take a cynical look at it you might think that Sony knew they couldn't match MS's software effort, so they positioned the PS4 as a 'games-centred' system so that missing features can be written off as due to their 'different focus'.

 

[Unknown One]

Price is king. It's a huge reason as to why Wii did so great. If the Wii was 400 it wouldn't have done as well.

 

[p3tran]

Pretty sure I remember reading a very similar argument back in 2006. Just reverse the situation and replace "if you add the camera" with the HD-DVD add on

fine, dont add the camera AT ALL! and anyways, kinect is useless to me on xbone too, if my personal opinion has to do with it.

its just that I've been watching ps4 streams, and all guys that didnt have a camera, they all talked about how they are going to get the camera for their streaming purposes...

but even without the camera taken into consideration at all, and the 100 difference kept intact, still I believe what I wrote above

Price is king. It's a huge reason as to why Wii did so great. If the Wii was 400 it wouldn't have done as well.

if it didnt have the nunchaku bowling and sports stuff to push the "innovation" card , I think this statement would hold any water... wiiU is not expensive. what about that?

 

[Chuck Norris]

fine, dont add the camera AT ALL! and anyways, kinect is useless to me on xbone too, if my personal opinion has to do with it.

its just that I've been watching ps4 streams, and all guys that didnt have a camera, they all talked about how they are going to get the camera for their streaming purposes...

but even without the camera taken into consideration at all, and the 100 difference kept intact, still I believe what I wrote above

You don't need a camera to stream.

Okay buddy, $100 doesn't matter. Tell yourself that

 

[Yoday]

This is not a console war thread.


So, from February on, PS4 has strongly shown to be a "games-first" system. All of these gamer-central features made us excited, especially after Xbox One's announcement seemed to indicate that it was an all media device...with a little bit of gaming.

Flash forward to today. Almost every gaming feature the PS4 does is replicated on the Xbox One...even with some unique ones (the free dedicated servers for devs, system-wide challenges, doing something else while waiting for a match, etc). In addition to that, it ALSO has the broad media and entertainment functionality that PS4 is really lacking or barebones in. And the actual games? There are far more launch exclusives on the supposed "media-first" device than the "gaming-first" console. It just doesn't make sense to me.

I love my PS4. There are great features. The decidedly more powerful system, the seamless sharing and streaming experience, plugging any standard headphones into the controller and routing all TV audio to it, Remote Play, and more. But I can't help but feel like this "gaming-first" mentality was for nought, as the Xbox One has more launch exclusives, just as many gaming features, AND all of the media functionality. The Xbox One is more expensive, and not everybody wants a Kinect. I'm not talking about that. I'm not talking about sales. I'm just wondering why it seems that the gaming-first mentality didn't really prove to make a substantial difference between the PS4 and Xbox One.

Edit: Talking about whether Sony's focus on games since Feb. has led to a real difference between what PS4 and XB1 were seen as before and what they have ended up being at their launches.

You are putting too much weight on launch, as a lot of people have been doing. Six months from now nobody is going to care what system had more games at launch. What matters is the lineup AFTER launch, and right now Sony is killing it in that department. There are a ton of games coming out on the PS4 in early 2014, with pretty much nothing but Titanfall and Kinect Sports on the XB1.

The number of games isn't the only factor though. The quality of the third party games plays very big part in why people see the PS4 as more of a gaming focused machine.

 

[TheKayle]

If you want to take a cynical look at it you might think that Sony knew they couldn't match MS's software effort, so they positioned the PS4 as a 'games-centred' system so that missing features can be written off as due to their 'different focus'.

yes! sony did correct..is ms that should put a better gpu in ...would be a so freakin easy win if only they would....

ill never understand this

 

[p3tran]

You don't need a camera to stream.

Okay buddy, $100 doesn't matter. Tell yourself that

yes i know you dont need a camera to stream.
what i wrote is that ALL PS4 DUDES THAT WHERE STREAMING WTHOUT A CAMERA, THEY ALL COMMENTED HOW THEY ARE GOING TO GET ONE FOR THEIR STREAMING PURPOSES

if 100 dont matter in your yearly or biannual tablet and smartphone choices, why the hell should they matter that much in a console that will be useful and unchanged for at least 3-4 years? you think this is reasonable?

 

[davepoobond]

I dont think so....
or it COULD be, maybe for guys that will buy the system and wait a month to buy a game, the sell it to get another etc.

but these type of consumers, they dont bring the big bucks to either sony or microsoft.

and today, market has changed...
I see many people spending not 100euro more, but 200 or 300 more to get a different tablet because they perceive better value there, or quality. same with other tech stuff.

and given the price of console games etc, 100e is not even two games difference.
if you add the camera to ps4 (for streaming?) then the price difference is almost zero, and definitely not worth even mentioning.

I see how pachter always goes on about the 100$ difference, but i cant shake the feeling that that dude is STILL learning how this market works.....
someday maybe he will....

When there is generally not much difference in the gaming offerings between the two consoles essentially, the fact that the messaging has been absolutely treacherous for Microsoft, what it really comes down to is how much its going to cost to play call of duty on ps4 vs xbone.

I actually probably would say at this point Microsoft should focus in on their marketing to the non-gaming features almost exclusively and say how much more than just gaming the xbone does. They need to justify the extra 100 somehow and gaming isn't the answer for them at this point.

They missed the boat on getting the gaming message through.

 

[TheKayle]

MS voluntary fed the NSA with everything it requested. How easy people forget. MS was also the first if i'm not mistaken and one of the biggest names on the list that got caught up in the scandal. Of course wanting total information control is completely harmless... right?


I see you edited something. And are you ACTUALLY ACCUSING ME OF SOMETHING!?
Sure body. Maybe there's is something wrong with your Patriot Act. Maybe there is something wrong with the US by threatening with trade embargo's if coalition forces not aid in the attack of oil rich nations. Maybe there is something wrong with suspecting terrorists behind every rock in the Middle East. I can go on and on. Besides why should i embrace a foreign spy agency?

as i said...oookay....

close this topic.....i think u overreacting...we are talkign of gaming console....and the nsa could only realize how many pizza a 16 years old teenager use to eat when play videogames.....pls close it
and im not seeing nsa having interest in you

 

[kyser73]

How is this conversation even possible before the launch of on of the consoles under discussion? There's nothing preliminary about it - it's entirely hypothetical until Friday at the earliest.

 

[p3tran]

When there is generally not much difference in the gaming offerings between the two consoles essentially, the fact that the messaging has been absolutely treacherous for Microsoft, what it really comes down to is how much its going to cost to play call of duty on ps4 vs xbone.

I actually probably would say at this point Microsoft should focus in on their marketing to the non-gaming features almost exclusively and say how much more than just gaming the xbone does. They need to justify the extra 100 somehow and gaming isn't the answer for them at this point.

They missed the boat on getting the gaming message through.

actually I think they need to do the opposite!

laser point focus on games on your PR,
while work your ass off in system offerings, but let these be discovered and praised by the users, not your PR dept.

no gamer is buying a machine for extra features alone. its the games baby!

 

[gofreak]

If you want to take a cynical look at it you might think that Sony knew they couldn't match MS's software effort, so they positioned the PS4 as a 'games-centred' system so that missing features can be written off as due to their 'different focus'.

The most important software on a games machine is...games. And Sony's competence in game development is quite a bit stronger than Microsoft, IMO.

If we're talking about OS, Microsoft has some advantages but I see advantages in Sony's too that apparently aren't being matched by MS, at launch at least (public broadcasting, remote play for example). And I would say overall that OS functionality is becoming a bit commoditised - the differences here are a lot smaller than PS3-era Sony vs 360-era MS. Microsoft is trying to strike out with a less commodity feature in TV integration but how valued over time and globally is very questionable I think.

 

[Roland1979]

as i said...oookay....

close this topic.....i think u overreacting...we are talkign of gaming console....and the nsa could only realize how many pizza a 16 years old teenager use to eat when play videogames.....pls close it

No i will respond if you want to close it then ignore my response. It's not the point of how much information they are going to collect and what they are doing with it. The fact that people like you don't see that scares me. In The Netherlands for a very long time all of our phones where tapped. Shit like "if you have nothing to hide" doesn't fly here very well. I don't care whether it's just meta data or me in my boxer shorts. I don't want them to actively spy on me. I also don't want people to keep trading in freedom for illusions of safety. If you don't like my opinion go tell on me to the NSA.

 

[cebri.one]

399$ / 7 years waiting for a new console

 

[TheKayle]

The most important software on a games machine is...games. And Sony's competence in game development is quite a bit stronger than Microsoft, IMO.

If we're talking about OS, Microsoft has some advantages but I see advantages in Sony's too hat apparently aren't being matched by MS, at launch at least (public broadcasting, remote play for example). And I would say overall that OS functionality is becoming a bit commoditised - the differences here are a lot smaller than PS3-era Sony vs 360-era MS. Microsoft is trying to strike out with a less commodity feature in TV integration but how valued over time and globally is very questionable I think.

sorry ..lol....just no

the advantage is clear..from the ui ...to the functionality..adding the tv services.....the apps the multitasking...how the camera is integrated in the os...ecc.ecc ecc and this just at the launch
i dont know how the ps4 could be called a media hub at launch not having dnla , mp3, no 3d blueray, no flash support...i think its hard to call it as media hub

for games..i think we will need at least 1 year to choose the best exclusives

 

[Roland1979]

sorry ..lol....just no

Way to contribute buddy.

 

[IHaveCandy]

Man, Kayle really is keeping it up, huh.

 

[davepoobond]

actually I think they need to do the opposite!

laser point focus on games on your PR,
while work your ass off in system offerings, but let these be discovered and praised by the users, not your PR dept.

no gamer is buying a machine for extra features alone. its the games baby!

I don't think you understand the box that Microsoft has made. It is a box that has nothing but "extra features" including games. You do so much more potentially with an xbone than the ps4 with the "entertainment options" you have to be willfully ignorant of the fact that Microsoft is trying to pull in larger markets than gaming in tandem with gaming itself.

Microsoft doesn't need or want "gamers" to buy their console. They want "everybody" to want to buy their console and that includes gamers or whatever you want to call yourself.

 

[TheKayle]

No i will respond if you want to close it then ignore my response. It's not the point of how much information they are going to collect and what they are doing with it. The fact that people like you don't see that scares me. In The Netherlands for a very long time all of our phones where tapped. Shit like "if you have nothing to hide" doesn't fly here very well. I don't care whether it's just meta data or me in my boxer shorts. I don't want them to actively spy on me. I also don't want people to keep trading in freedom for illusions of safety. If you don't like my opinion go tell on me to the NSA.

i have nothing against your opinion...but is your not mine

clearly i wouldnt like to be spyed everyday....no one would...

being from netherlands..im sure you had listen on tv news that the nsa was spying every european leader ....from angela merkel to silvio berlusconi....if you think that u can stop the spying services not buying the kinect is ok...
but i think...would cost too much to spy every person who have a kinect i would not say is impossible to do...but pretty much

 

[MWS Natural]

It's completely bizarre. People are celebrating in the one million sold thread like it's all over.

It was over before the one million sold thread. MS shot themselves in the foot, it's going to take years for them to get back on track if ever. The only positive is that I will be able to buy a $399 Xbox One sooner than later.

 

[TheKayle]

It was over before the one million sold thread. MS shot themselves in the foot, it's going to take years for them to get back on track if ever.

ms been 6 or more millions ahead till the last years before the launch of the xb1 and the ps4....lol

1 millions is just ..irrilevant

 

[Roland1979]

...if you think that u can stop the spying services not buying the kinect is ok...

-_-

Yes. I think i can stop the NSA by not buying Xbox One.

 

[TheKayle]

-_-

Yes. I think i can stop the NSA by not buying Xbox One.

sony here need to say thnx to their free internet pr...for the hal 9000 syndrome

i find it naive....but i respect your choice

(ps. u can turn off the kinect)

 

[p3tran]

I don't think you understand the box that Microsoft has made. It is a box that has nothing but "extra features" including games. You do so much more potentially with an xbone than the ps4 with the "entertainment options" you have to be willfully ignorant of the fact that Microsoft is trying to pull in larger markets than gaming in tandem with gaming itself.

Microsoft doesn't need or want "gamers" to buy their console. They want "everybody" to want to buy their console and that includes gamers or whatever you want to call yourself.

since there is no market for this "everybody" you are talking about, and since we all saw that it only took 48hrs for microsoft to realize what damn fools they were and impressively somersault their way back into console significance,
I would argue that you still have the image of pre-unveil microsoft in your head, which might not be exactly how they are operating right now..

 

[MWS Natural]

ms been 6 or more millions ahead till the last years before the launch of the xb1 and the ps4....lol

1 millions is just ..irrilevant

A supply constrained Xbox one that is only launching in limited countries worldwide is going to get trounced by Sony who is pumping PS4's out non-stop. The US & UK are Microsoft's only strongholds, if Sony even matches them there it's going to be ugly everywhere else. This gen has already been decided.

 

[Roland1979]

sony here need to say thnx to their internet pr...for the hal 9000 syndrome

i find it naive....but i respect your choice

(ps. u can turn off the kinect)

You totally missed the point and think in black and white. If you can't actively change it i should give up? If they not spy on you in a scary way it's ok? Like, they only spy a little bit?. But my question to you is... why would i support such a horrible Orwellian company like Microsoft? Especially when the other party is giving me everything i want. A different thing: i should buy a weaker console for $100 more, which mostly covers the camera and then turn of such camera (and limiting the system because it was designed around it)? That seems like a really stupid uninformed purchase (for me, not for those that like the offerings of XB1).

 

[sublimit]

It's too early to tell.
Launch line up definitely seems to be more stronger for XB1 but who's to say that in 2-3 years "hardcore" games will not become less of a focus for MS and instead they focus more on kinect and media functionalities.After all they did this halfway through in 360's lifespan so it will not be the first time that happens.

As Sony said multiple times it's a marathon not a sprint and with the PS3 they really proved that .

 

[SpinningBirdKick]

I've said before the official PS4 and Xbone reveals that the price and technology of the systems would not matter and that the deciding factoring in this generation would be which ever system gave the user the most control and ownership of the media they create and consume.

We all know that the PS4 won many hearts and minds with their reveal that chose to put consumers in control. Microsoft is still facing an up hill battle to win back potential consumers that were turned off by their original policies.

Looking ahead, I would say that it's doubtful that Microsoft will ever make up the lost ground despite their multi media approach. Mass market consumers care about price. No mass market consumer interested in multi media functionality is going to choose the xbone over much cheaper alternatives available.

Like all consoles what matters most is the games. Microsoft has a very short timeframe to persuade people to buy their system. Once the second and third wave software is released, developers should really be making the more powerful PS4 hardware sing which the xbone will have a hard time competing with. Microsoft will be losing out on price, performance and they will no doubt have a much weaker first party line up going forward if the 360's catalog is anything to go by.

This is why Microsoft are going all out bundling free software at launch to persuade people to buy and lock them into the eco system early. They know that with the weaker and more expensive system getting people on board early is going to be crucial for them as it will be all down hill going forward as they're relying on third parties to bring must have titles to the system. Third parties will require substantial money hats to be persuaded to release titles on a weaker system with a smaller user base.

 

[EventHorizon]

again im sure that titanfall will be a system seller...if pushed how im expect ms will...

What do you think Titanfall's developers and publishers think when they see stats like that Amazon top 40 list I posted? They think that their game would sell a whole lot more copies on the PS4. A version of Titanfall will no doubt be coming to the PS4 sooner rather than later. Due to the deal with MS they might have to call it Titanfall 2 with some new or altered maps, but they'd be leaving money on the table if they didn't have a PS4 game in time for Christmas 2014. I'll admit that Titanfall is a highly anticipated game, but it is also true that people expect it to come to the PS4 relatively soon.

no one is denying that ps4 have a better gpu ...
but as your resolutiongate show this differences
the media capability of the ps4 show the differences between xb1 and the ps4
i can tell you that at least here in italy (and i htink in most of europe country) one system seller of the ps3 was the ability to stream flash illegal movie on the browser...
now the ps4 browser as i read dont support flash
meanwhile the xb1 SEEM that will do

Well I can't speak to that but my guess is that the number of people for whom this would make a difference isn't going to be significant with respect to the overall numbers. If it is that important to them then they probably already have a way to do it. Also note that MS has been incredibly US centric with it multimedia offerings like TV guides/streaming. That makes the console less enticing to a worldwide audience.

and kz is a great exclusive...this point that the thing are not changing at all from the ps3 host situation...and that should be scary for everyone who wanna love multiplayer gaming

i dont think that the gpu difference are making the ps4 a better console...is just a more oriented console

ps as a pc gamer from years i dont care who will run better multiplats coz ppl like me play multiplats on pc..where i can have take the best from this games...i buy xbox and ps for their exclusives...and at launch the "hardcore gaming" machine showed me a knack...a killzone and a indie game....wasnt a good launch..waiting to see how ms fail

And yet Call of Duty Ghosts and Battlefield 4 will have dedicated servers on the PS4. The expectation is that major 3rd party games will have the same dedicated server setup on both consoles. Let's not forget Sony's MMOG offerings. Planetside 2 and DC Universe Online have dedicated servers as will the expected Everquest.

We aren't talking about what is best for you, but what the general public will think is best. For that discussion, the topic of PC sales are insignificant. As an example look at this:

Call of Duty: Black Ops II Sales (millions)

 PC:  1.0
360: 12.3
PS3: 10.7

PC sales make up only 4% of the total console sales, and even a smaller percentage of that buy both console and PC games.

 

[gofreak]

sorry ..lol....just no

the advantage is clear..from the ui ...to the functionality..adding the tv services.....the apps the multitasking...how the camera is integrated in the os...ecc.ecc ecc and this just at the launch

The X1 OS is better in some respects, but I'm just pointing out that PS4's is better in some others.

godelsmetric suggested that 'Sony knew it couldn't match MS's software effort' - I'm pointing out that Sony ought to have every confidence in the most important part of their 'software effort' for a games machine - games. They even put out a better game software development environment this time, it seems, something deference to Microsoft's 'software advantage' would not have suggested previously.

The media things you're picking over - snap, dlna, mp3 support - are IMO tiny compared to the differences between 360 and PS3 in 2006. The media consumption landscape has changed completely since then. IMO consoles aren't going to win people over by being incrementally better media hubs than what a lot of people already have in much cheaper boxes or devices. Not to mention Microsoft's efforts here are very geographically fractured.

 

[thuway]

Microsoft's old ways of money hatting exclusives to pad a weak and underwhelming line up is in full effect.

This rhetoric where Sony has somehow forgotten about the core gamer because the launch line up is anemic, is total bullshit. Sony's first party line up for PS3/Vita in 2013 alone reinforces the gamer first notion.

Puppetteer
Gran Turismo 6
Beyond: Two Souls
Last of Us
God of War: Ascension
Killzone: Mercenary
Tearaway
Rain


Best part is, this was ALL first party.

You might prefer Microsoft's launch line up, but in all honesty, launches for any platform is not where you should judge the future software offerings. Even than, Ryse is a troubled 360 title moved to next-gen, Killer Instinct was farmed out on the cheap, and Dead Rising / Titan Fall are nothing but checks written on the backs of the brand.

The Xbox One is the same shit last generation. They will rangle up the hardcore with money hatted exclusives, and once you are locked into the network, they go full Kinnect. We'll throw you a Halo to make you feel better.

Architecture choices for PlayStation 4 are a great citation for the company's marching order.

Being daft and applauding Microsoft for moneyhatting Dead Rising 3 and TitanFall ignores the truth. Microsoft did it last gen where money hats helped secure Dead Rising, Bioshock, and Mass Effect. The irony at play is beautiful.

 

[p3tran]

I've said before the official PS4 and Xbone reveals that the price and technology of the systems would not matter and that the deciding factoring in this generation would be which ever system gave the user the most control and ownership of the media they create and consume.

We all know that the PS4 won many hearts and minds with their reveal that chose to put consumers in control. Microsoft is still facing an up hill battle to win back potential consumers that were turned off by their original policies.

Looking ahead, I would say that it's doubtful that Microsoft will ever make up the lost ground despite their multi media approach. Mass market consumers care about price. No mass market consumer interested in multi media functionality is going to choose the xbone over much cheaper alternatives available.

Like all consoles what matters most is the games. Microsoft has a very short timeframe to persuade people to buy their system. Once the second and third wave software is released, developers should really be making the more powerful PS4 hardware sing which the xbone will have a hard time competing with. Microsoft will be losing out on price, performance and they will no doubt have a much weaker first party line up going forward if the 360's catalog is anything to go by.

This is why Microsoft are going all out bundling free software at launch to persuade people to buy and lock them into the eco system early. They know that with the weaker and more expensive system getting people on board early is going to be crucial for them as it will be all down hill going forward as they're relying on third parties to bring must have titles to the system. Third parties will require substantial money hats to be persuaded to release titles on a weaker system with a smaller user base.

yet we are veeeery far from mass market adoption yet. this is launch days and launch period.
by the time we reach mass adoption time, you know and i know that it is way much more easier for microsoft to trim the prices as much as they want, when they feel its time to make the mass market consumer perceive value.

for the hardcore gamer, the one who's opening his wallet big time these days,
what they are doing here is all right the way i see it... launch with enough games specific to the platform that look at least interesting, and also give their promise that dedicated servers will be offered for free to all games.
now, these things count for early adopters... 100 dollars, not so much...

 

[p3tran]

Microsoft's old ways of money hatting exclusives to pad a weak and underwhelming line up is in full effect.

This rhetoric where Sony has somehow forgotten about the core gamer because the launch line up is anemic, is total bullshit.
............

Being daft and applauding Microsoft for moneyhatting Dead Rising 3 and TitanFall ignores the truth. Microsoft did it last gen where money hats helped secure Dead Rising, Bioshock, and Mass Effect. The irony at play is beautiful.

now hold on right there...

first of all, I guess many of us are DAFT and not as smart as you, spreading stupid rumors through ...tweeter so you dont get banned in here.

so, under your prism, maybe some of us are DAFT for approving what microsoft does here. but you know what? they did it last time and it worked wonders for the enjoyment I got out of my playtime.
now, if I wanted to do a comparison of the first 2-3 years of use of my 360 and my ps3... now that WOULD be funny, wouldnt it?

also, sony did that too. metal gear solid rings a bell to you?

just because sony can never compete directly against microsoft in this game of money,
that does not make us daft, or does make you look any smart or bright by constantly downplaying one and upping another.

 

[sublimit]

Microsoft's old ways of money hatting exclusives to pad a weak and underwhelming line up is in full effect.

This rhetoric where Sony has somehow forgotten about the core gamer because the launch line up is anemic, is total bullshit. Sony's first party line up for PS3/Vita in 2013 alone reinforces the gamer first notion.

Puppetteer
Gran Turismo 6
Beyond: Two Souls
Last of Us
God of War: Ascension
Killzone: Mercenary
Tearaway
Rain


Best part is, this was ALL first party.

You might prefer Microsoft's launch line up, but in all honesty, launches for any platform is not where you should judge the future software offerings. Even than, Ryse is a troubled 360 title moved to next-gen, Killer Instinct was farmed out on the cheap, and Dead Rising / Titan Fall are nothing but checks written on the backs of the brand.

The Xbox One is the same shit last generation. They will rangle up the hardcore with money hatted exclusives, and once you are locked into the network, they go full Kinnect. We'll throw you a Halo to make you feel better.

Architecture choices for PlayStation 4 are a great citation for the company's marching order.

Being daft and applauding Microsoft for moneyhatting Dead Rising 3 and TitanFall ignores the truth. Microsoft did it last gen where money hats helped secure Dead Rising, Bioshock, and Mass Effect. The irony at play is beautiful.

The bird speaks the truth.

 

[MogCakes]

The biggest difference games wise so far has been, for me, without a doubt PS Plus. Holy shit. I've already downloaded 3 free games for my PSV and there are discounts across the board for many other games. It will prove to be a vital service to the PS4 in the long run. If MS is smart, they'll realize this and follow suit in revamping XBL to match it.

 

[Felsparrow]

I was about to say that without MS money Titanfall and DR3 wouldn't have been made without MS' money.

Then I realized how ridiculous that was.

Titanfall has EA backing it, and all the ex Infinity Ward developing it, and Titanfall's marketing writes itself. It'll be one of the few games that manages to pull a share of players and buyers from the CoH/Battlefield shooter crowd.

Dead Rising has been a pretty successful game from the start, and would continue to do so into the third version on any console.

Neither game needed to go full exclusive. And heck, Dead Rising has been a multiplatform series for a while now.

I don't mind the exclusive deals, as it often helps to fund games. My only concern now is whether Respawn got any money from the deal EA pulled to go XB1 only, and that better have been a helluva lot of money to lose out on PS4 sales.

 

[EventHorizon]

sorry ..lol....just no

the advantage is clear..from the ui ...to the functionality..adding the tv services.....the apps the multitasking...how the camera is integrated in the os...ecc.ecc ecc and this just at the launch
i dont know how the ps4 could be called a media hub at launch not having dnla , mp3, no 3d blueray, no flash support...i think its hard to call it as media hub

for games..i think we will need at least 1 year to choose the best exclusives

This multimedia advantage is an imaginary one. For the mass market consumer multimedia means Netflix. They aren't going to be streaming dlna or from files off of NAS storage. None of that extra stuff matters to the casual audience, and it is especially isn't worth $100 extra. At the other end of the spectrum you have the enthusiast who will at the very least have a Tivo or other DVR setup. To them the XB1 is useless. They'd still need to use their DVR remote and interface for everything from guide navigation to show playback.

The XB1 looks like is was designed by a committee that wanted to check off as many boxes as possible without doing real world research to see if their collection of features had a sizable enough audience. The XB1 is simply too expensive for its multimedia features at the low end, and does not integrate enough with DVRs or offer its own alternative for the high end.

 

[LordMuffin]

One has simply to cast the mind back to these last couple of years to see the policy MS upheld in regards to gamers, which can be seen as a considerable effort of securing exclusives towards the first half of the console cycle only to be followed by an utter lack of support or, worse as in the case of the OGBox, the killing of its creature early-on.
One may call this approach a grab 'n' run, this however was never the case of Sony, which always continued to support its creatures well into the following generation with a more robust release calendar even towards the end of the previous generation. Even ads on TV promoting the Playstation family still feature the PS3 alongside the PS4 and Vita, whereas it's been a year at least since I've seen the last 360 advertisement. As a gamer I feel more reassured that Sony will keep on supporting its product for years to come, instead of the Xbone which may very well disappear as soon as its momentum starts to decrease, it's too early to have the definitive say on this.

 

[King_Moc]

Xbone has more games at launch, but PS4 has many, many more games announced for it. I don't normally bin my consoles after launch week.

 

[thuway]

now hold on right there...

first of all, I guess many of us are DAFT and not as smart as you, spreading stupid rumors through ...tweeter so you dont get banned in here.

so, under your prism, maybe some of us are DAFT for approving what microsoft does here. but you know what? they did it last time and it worked wonders for the enjoyment I got out of my playtime.
now, if I wanted to do a comparison of the first 2-3 years of use of my 360 and my ps3... now that WOULD be funny, wouldnt it?

also, sony did that too. metal gear solid rings a bell to you?

just because sony can never compete directly against microsoft in this game of money,
that does not make us daft, or does make you look any smart or bright by constantly downplaying one and upping another.

I am not a fool. Microsoft paraded itself with the 360 as a gamer first initiative the first few years, and honestly, I still fondly remember a year where Halo 3, the Orange Box (unfucked version), Mass Effect, Bioshock and Gears of War all came out. It was a tour de force of wow. However, as time wore on, the messaging changed, and the bottom line was clear.

I don't believe in Money Hats, whether if Sony does it or if Microsoft does it. It's a practice that can go fuck itself. And I agree, what they did with Metal Gear was pretty shit.

My whole thing is, this entire first half of the thread is taking a huge dump on Sony and brushing off their PS3/Vita output this year. "Sony isn't gamer first and it was largely PR speak." The stupid amount of internal studios working on multiple projects, the late gen PS3 titles, and the Remote Play / Sharing / Instant Game Collection initiative are collective statements where Sony has bet its chips.

I honestly don't care about either company's bottom dollar, but I see history repeating itself. Artificially bloated lineups with psuedo-exclusives. There is a pathetic emphasis on launch as if it has already written history.

Next year's E3 should be fun .

 

[Oersted]

Saying that they do with little to no delivery is atleast one of the most fascinating marketing pushs in recent memory.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

They're both about games. You're just too immersed in marketing and forum fanboy hype.

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[thuway]

Saying that they do with little to no delivery is atleast one of the most fascinating marketing pushs in recent memory.

Hey bro, have you checked out the PS3/Vita line up this year?

 

[p3tran]

I don't believe in Money Hats, whether if Sony does it or if Microsoft does it. It's a practice that can go fuck itself. And I agree, what they did with Metal Gear was pretty shit.

My whole thing is, this entire first half of the thread is taking a huge dump on Sony and brushing off their PS3/Vita output this year. "Sony isn't gamer first and it was largely PR speak." The stupid amount of internal studios working on multiple projects, the late gen PS3 titles, and the Remote Play / Sharing / Instant Game Collection initiative are collective statements where Sony has bet its chips.

I honestly don't care about either company's bottom dollar, but I see history repeating itself. Artificially bloated lineups with psuedo-exclusives. There is a pathetic emphasis on launch as if it has already written history.

Next year's E3 should be fun .

I think you weren't here back in the metal gear solid gaf days, but to tell you the truth, I think you would say the same things other pro-sony people have said.

and the fact is, that while sony pr tooted the ps4 as a machine for gamers, their season games they are launching on the old system, because guess what? they need the money.

had gt6 and tlou been launching in the new machine, then their pr would be right on the money.
but buying now a machine, and paying for it right now of course, for what will be there not the minute you hook up the machine, but maybe a year (or three) later,
that may not resonate extremely well for what is called hard core gamers and what they may perceive as instant value.
yes, of course, third parties to the rescue. but if you think of that, and then think how one company tries to snatch what they perceive is the best third party games for their aim, it really doesnt look so bad now, does it?

 

[TheKayle]

The X1 OS is better in some respects, but I'm just pointing out that PS4's is better in some others.

godelsmetric suggested that 'Sony knew it couldn't match MS's software effort' - I'm pointing out that Sony ought to have every confidence in the most important part of their 'software effort' for a games machine - games. They even put out a better game software development environment this time, it seems, something deference to Microsoft's 'software advantage' would not have suggested previously.

The media things you're picking over - snap, dlna, mp3 support - are IMO tiny compared to the differences between 360 and PS3 in 2006. The media consumption landscape has changed completely since then. IMO consoles aren't going to win people over by being incrementally better media hubs than what a lot of people already have in much cheaper boxes or devices. Not to mention Microsoft's efforts here are very geographically fractured.

i think that everyone here should be honest with himself and bold enough to admitt that out there there isnt still the perfect console...(also if im bored to call them just console..coz obv this arent anymore)
one day (in a really close near future) we will have apu's integrated in our tv...where we will do tv/gaming/social/browsing/media/apps
everything in a box....
its clear that this will happen and no one is scary about this

if u look at every tv producer..they r filling their main products with motion controls ..voice controls...web browsers...streaming capabilities...and with os that r compatible with certain apps........are samsung,lg, and all the other big tv producers completly idiots? no i dont think so

so why they doing it? coz the market is asking for this....this market is ENORMOUS and is x times bigger than the gaming console one
that said.......is clear where ms want go with the xbox one
they wanna be the ring of conjunction between the era of the "boxes" and that one of the integrated apu's
and still out there there isnt a box that can do ALL THIS THING....all in one box.....you can have an apple tv......you can have a ipad ...a smartphone ...a ps4....and one of the latest samsung tv for motion controls and apps......or have the xbox one
this is the game that ms is playing

gaming console as we know it...will vanish and theres nothing to do ...if is not this gen will be the next or the next one...........
the "GAMING CONSOLE"...in itself is a really stupid argument...we could talk about gpu power and i could agree that the most powerfull is always the better choice...
but close the market as gaming machine...is meh.....coz i see and feel the market (myself too) asking for something else.....the "gaming console" idea...in itself is old as the megadrive

this mean that gaming should be less important ? no..
i think in fact that if ms would stay with the same xbox one idea with a gpu on par with the ps4 would be a 100% win....and i really dont know how they fucked it up ..coz the only way to defend sony would be their first party devs...you know that things ala "yes but we have naughty dog"...and all would sound very very poor and stupid
now with this inferior gpu they need to fight ...coz sony seen could not compete on other lvl than gaming...is selling their machine as gaming machine (clearly) and seeing that this two machine are still famous only in this market ..is hard for ms to come up ...as it would be if had a better gpu (or just on par)

but calling a ps4 a better machine....
i think that sony ideas of how a console need to be..are becoming old everyday more
(this dont save ms)

 

[lefantome]

No, it's more than that. It's because of the history of supporting PS3 very well with exclusives. It is known that Sony will put out games for PS4, even if it's super late into the console life cycle.

Look at what PS3 got this year. That's basically the best thing they can do to convince people that PS4 is about games. That and PS+.

PS4's launch is rough games wise. But launch is kind of the least important part. Sony plays the long game with their first party software more than the other two platform creators.

MS in contrast has been MIA for the last 3 years of E3, showing off Kinectimals and ESPN. They have a whole hell of a lot more to prove. They've been coasting on nothing but Gears, Forza and Halo for a long time now. And as far as I can tell, Gears is done.

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exactly and this is the exact opposite of what they did in the first years of Xbox 360.

PS4 is the new Xbox 360. period.

 

[Haunted]

ya, Microsoft can fuck right off with their US-centric multimedia bullshit. drives me away from the system not towards it.

 

[Krisprolls]

PS4 Remote Play alone invalidates any feature advantage the Xbone could have. Nobody cares about multitasking 7 apps or losing 10 minutes navigating in the dashboard using his arms when you could do that twice as fast with the controller.