My issue is the denial of dog whistle racism. To many if its not the nazi's or the KKK we gotta give it the benefit of the doubt! Where you can bring in statistics on education, incarceration, poverty levels and they are cool with it...but assuming a singular incident might have a racial connotation its like, "WOAH WOAH BRO, RACIST? GOTTA HEAR BOTH SIDES" where every fact faces extreme scrutiny and if the offender isnt found to be sig heiling while doing whatever then it possibly cant be racist.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Diet Racism is a real problem
- Thread starter SENPAIatLARGE
- Start date
- Status
pirateluigi
Member
Next you're going to tell me that you could have a black and Latino cast play the founding fathers. Could you imagine if George Washington was black? No one would see it.
I love Hamilton so very much
freenudemacusers
Member
sure, that's a different issue. I have an asian friend* who was going off on facebook about the bruce lee movie that came out a few weeks ago; apparently it's a 'bruce lee' movie that is about some white kid who comes up in the streets and saves a chick, with hardly any 'bruce lee' to be seen.
which is even stranger, as the marketing is very bruce lee focused, vs putting the white dude up front like in that classic italian '12 years a slave' poster. but i suppose that just reflects the value of the lee brand... but then why not make a bruce lee movie? hollywood is a strange place...
*really!
I'm quite fascinated with those people's use of the word "cucked" which is in the OP. I assume it means cuckold, unless it gained some other meaning in the alt-right circles.
But why is everyone who disagrees with them is a cuckold? What is with them and cuckolds? Are these people responsible for why I've been seeing a lot of cuckold-focused porn popping up online lately?!
You mean Gerard Butler. Which is hilarious, since a common argument against diversity I see a lot regarding movies is that a movie can't be financially successful without those bankable white dudes in main roles, but then you end up with actors that have no box office draw.
I still don't know how Ridley Scott justified casting a nobody like Joel Edgerton in the other recent whitewashed Ancient Egypt big budget movie.
But why is everyone who disagrees with them is a cuckold? What is with them and cuckolds? Are these people responsible for why I've been seeing a lot of cuckold-focused porn popping up online lately?!
You mean Gerard Butler. Which is hilarious, since a common argument against diversity I see a lot regarding movies is that a movie can't be financially successful without those bankable white dudes in main roles, but then you end up with actors that have no box office draw.
I still don't know how Ridley Scott justified casting a nobody like Joel Edgerton in the other recent whitewashed Ancient Egypt big budget movie.
BronsonLee
Member
Last Samurai is still a bad example to bring up because:
Movie doesn't get made without Cruise
It doesn't take the turn it does unless Cruise is game for it (the turn being he gets a long campaign in the Ain't Shit Olympics and doesn't really get out of it until the very very end)
He's the POV character but that's it.
Movie doesn't get made without Cruise
It doesn't take the turn it does unless Cruise is game for it (the turn being he gets a long campaign in the Ain't Shit Olympics and doesn't really get out of it until the very very end)
He's the POV character but that's it.
Show me this mythical Japanese movie that gets actors bumped for another minority appearance. The common excuse from Hollywood execs is that white audiences will not support movies with black leads (yet an awful Madea movie crossed over to mainstream audiences and beat fuckign Tom Cruise last week)
Your brain must be on some Simone Biles level shit
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
It's literally the most transparent form of projecting i've ever seen. It's more transparent than the following phrases
-Women in real life like to wear sexy clothing
-He was no angel
Frozenprince
Banned
The movie literally ends with all the Asian characters dead but Tom Cruise their white savior who taught them tactics and willpower lives and even ends up "teaching" the EMPEROR OF JAPAN about how to be a proper Samurai and live like his dead friend.
I like the movie, but it's got White Savior problems up the wazoo.
freenudemacusers
Member
lol you're right... i guess that reinforces it; if you're gonna make a goofy effects romp like gods of egypt, save some $$ on the eyeliner and bronzer budget and just cast actual northeast africans/mediterranean people.
Inyourprime
Member
Yeah. I had a colleague at work basically say everything is racist now. Citing all the stuff happening now in sports, specifically the NFL.
Let's just say I won't be having lunch with him anymore.
Let's just say I won't be having lunch with him anymore.
Knightmarre
Member
Its okay if you didn't understand the movie, its a common occurrence.
Cuckolds are "weak." A lot of cuckold-based porn involves racism, in that a "black bull" has sex with the "weak white man's" wife, and in that sense turns the black man involved in the porn scenario into an 'animal' defiling the woman, almost equating it to bestiality in the consumer's eyes.
The general power dynamic is that either an oblivious, schlubby weak white guy is unaware that his wife is being 'ravaged,' or that he somehow gets off on it.
In essence, calling someone a 'cuck' is essentially saying they are weak and cannot properly satisfy their wife.
To add to this, you can transpose this power dynamic into racial politics and international politics as well -
Politicians can be "cucks" by being too weak to 'stand up' to Trump and ending up serving them, like Ted Cruz. They can also be 'cucks' by "rolling over and letting immigrants flood into this country and have sex with OUR white women." It can even be something like "Our president is a cuck, letting foreigners ravage our country and standing by letting it happen."
Do you get where this is going?
Frozenprince
Banned
Nah you're right obviously I'm too stupid to grasp the in depth narrative of a noble savage movie with Japanese people instead of Native Americans.
Lightning_Roller
Banned
Sorry for getting the thread title wrong, I skim through page and I caught a glance of that thread from time to time. My bad. But dang, I read through the first three pages and saw some of the posts and I was so disappointed with them. And I bet they got worse for the rest of that thread too.
BronsonLee
Member
Bruce Hornsby and the Range, not Status Quo.
capitalCORN
Member
Man that's a shitty savior, they all died!
Reverse Jesus!
Frozenprince
Banned
Man that's a shitty savior, they all died!
Hey man nobody ever said the white man had to be good at his job to keep his job. Ain't like we're talking about magical negroes now.
Darryl M R
Member
That was a good breakdown. I would argue that the majority of the people using that phrase don't even understand the meaning beside "you let another man sleep with your wife."
I can only imagine how people will be spamming r/the_donald once Hillary wins both with cries of rigged election and gloating.
freenudemacusers
Member
if u think about it jesus hasn't stopped anyone from dying either 🤔
I honestly think conversations about race are becoming slightly more dishonest and unhelpful. Maybe I'm just old fashioned but I used to feel a lot more comfortable talking about racism in my own life and upbringing and now I sincerely find it easier to just move on than sincerely engage.
My hope is that younger people are just truly more evolved than my generation was.
I'll admit I have been on the wrong side of this plenty of times.
My hope is that younger people are just truly more evolved than my generation was.
I think that dance is often (obviously not always) between the importance of calling out bigotry when you see it and destroying a person's life for basically not being very sharp in the name of our own vanity.
I'll admit I have been on the wrong side of this plenty of times.
This, honestly, is the stuff that irks me.
Why not engage him/her in conversation? Challenge them on their beliefs? You can be someones friend, converse with someone, and discuss things with them while completely disagreeing with everything in their worldview. This is incredibly important if people are ever going to change.
Yes they should be ridiculed for their beliefs, but they should not be outcast from a progressive society. We should attempt to challenge their beliefs and change their minds. Outcasting anyone that voices a different idea than you is wrong.
capitalCORN
Member
Nope, but praise him with every close call!
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Romans = British accents (as opposed to any other regional accent) is a coconut effect thing.
BronsonLee
Member
lol gawwdddaaamn
I can't go with you on the Last Samurai journey because while it does have some issues (that mostly come with having Cruise as the lead, so he's gotta at least get one action scene where he crushes people), that character is way down in the dumps when they bring him to the village. Him teaching them tactics makes sense because he's a hardened soldier, but their culture helped him deal with his grief and become a better person because of it.
Also it was a 140 million dollar historical movie about Japan, and that shit ain't ever happening again thanks to 47 Ronin shitting the bed. Now THERE'S a one with some white savior shit in it
paperboywriter
Member
I mean you can always call out racists on this forum. Most of the time that's the end of it, at least here in off topic. No idea how gaming operates.
That kind of diet racism reaction strikes me as knee jerk defensiveness for an issue that, as an ingrained cultural issue, has no easy answer. For some reason suggestions for inclusiveness are seen as an attack instead of as honest criticism.
I think people just can't take criticism of things that they like. I think that's what it is coming down to. Why is it so hard to accept, come to terms with, and grow as a result of, some solid constructive criticism? It's like people can't bear to "lose" on any possible level at any time.
I think people just can't take criticism of things that they like. I think that's what it is coming down to. Why is it so hard to accept, come to terms with, and grow as a result of, some solid constructive criticism? It's like people can't bear to "lose" on any possible level at any time.
People do mental gymnastics to defend their point or say "Who gives a shit" as if that excuses wanting diversity in video games
Frozenprince
Banned
I mean I like the movie, it's fun, the action scenes are good. I just got some issues with it.
chillybright
Banned
I thought the thread would be about vegan shaming.
capitalCORN
Member
Look at the idiots emboldened by Trump, with their calls of "'you'll see, you'll see.". The verbal assault wasn't even the main event!
BronsonLee
Member
ya me too. I don't like how the Taka thing went down tbh
But my god that's still a good damn movie. Gorgeous landscapes & Cruise is on the top of his game when it comes to everyone just kicking his ass all over the place
I mean vegans are lame too, even with their superpowers
Of course internet dogpiling/lynch mobs are an issue, but ultimately a seperate one. Its not as if its something that came about for soley social issues and its not like white supremacists, misogynists, or general ubertrolls arent using that rulebook. Like there was a post heree the last couple of weeks where the debate switched from if the person was guilty of racism or not (because the evidence wasnt in that favor) but about how calling them out on it would make them lose their job and hurt their family. As if people unfairly incarcerated, actors losing jobs because of a lack of diversity, etc...dont have families.
But thats the point, we generally think diet racists are good people, just misguided...when the power they wield as a block is greater then any overt racist org.
As I've said before, racist don't bother me. It's the people claim to not be racist and hand wave racism away left and right that infuriates me. Racist don't need your pity. If the want to change, they change.
No free spot, that's dissapointing.
No free spot, that's dissapointing.
BronsonLee
Member
Free spots are for White People Bingo
I believe you are confusing it with something else. Redskins is not tribal name, it's a derogatory word used against natives. Like wet back. There have been tribes who've okayed the use of their name as team names. True, most of us don't really care about the name, because while it's offensive as fuck, we got other things to worry about. But yes, we'd rather it not be that.
Darryl M R
Member
It would be amazing if the free spot referenced [white/men] privilege.
Still the funniest fucking post I've seen this year.
Wolf Dawgz
Member
He seems to be well aware that roles can be shoehorned in. The notion that including diversity will ultimately lead to infinite shoe horning is what is being contested against.
The historical accuracy argument also doesn't seem to hold up because many media sanitize the actual diversities within their historical/geographical era, aren't really based on history at all, or shoehorn white actors into roles because "minorities wouldn't draw money"
Diet racism tend to not overtly vouch for white supremacy as in"WHITE POWER", but through discrete support for certain outcomes .
Example:If minorities are included, then it's just corporatism's fault and we should resist shoehorning. If minorities aren't included, then that's just the way things are because corporatism
BronsonLee
Member
paperboywriter
Member
To be fair, only insane people think that.
I just spit my juice out.
Frozenprince
Banned
We talking First Blood Rambo or First Blood 2 Rambo?
Interesting to see how you're wrong about that as white liberals are the easiest to fall into the diet racist tray.
Lightning_Roller
Banned
Fucking hell, I laughed at this.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
- Poll