A recent Biography about Alexander Dumas' dad (titled The Black Count) is supposed to be made into a movie in the near future. If that actually happens, I am curious to see how the "historical accuracy" crowd reacts.
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A recent Biography about Alexander Dumas' dad (titled The Black Count) is supposed to be made into a movie in the near future. If that actually happens, I am curious to see how the "historical accuracy" crowd reacts.
Lightning_Roller
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It's insane to see these people who you think be intelligent people show their true colors at the drop of a hat. I mean it's in a snap, there it is. I still remember that Maximillian thread where the first page was 90% gray names. And every page afterwards for a bit.
It's not criticized by the same people. People that use historical accuracy as an excuse are not the same people that criticize whitewashing in these threads and I'm pretty sure the post wasn't referring to people that go for historical accuracy across the board.
We're in this very strange loop where there are about 10 famous actors that are reused over and over again, movies are so unbelievably expensive to make now, studios understandably don't want to risk putting a B-list actor in the main role. Problem is all these A-list roles are filled by predominately by white straight men and women, and about 2 black men, with no one else having a chance of breaking in because these big roles aren't being offered to them. It's this frustrating loop. I honestly don't know how we overcome it. Does star power really matter? Would Jurassic Park for instance have done those numbers with an Asian lead, is Chris Pratt the reason it was so successful? Are movie studios the problem or are we? Hopefully Black Panther helps.
All I can say is, thank goodness for the huge increase in quality TV shows and indie films, that arguably succeed the big budget releases, I almost don't watch anything else.
I think it's because the internet draws out the extremes and absolutes of so many issues and there's no wiggle room for "Okay, that could be better" and what the reality of the situation might be. People go from zero to accusations of cross-burning at the drop of a hat.
Do your own research. Robin DiAngelo covers this topic and about how white progressives fall into the white fragility hole.
Pretty sure that's not true. Test pilot is the most I heard of.
Same goes for the plural of black samurai. There was afaik exactly one. A movie about him might be a good idea because that seems to be an interesting story, but falsification of history because it's not inclusive enough is a pretty silly suggestion.
LordKasual
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That's a really bad thing though, because it makes the air so stiff that even among the people who think they're all on the same side, there's still so little wiggle room.
KO Traveling Hobo
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It's the idea of subservience, self-derision, denial of your own satisfaction, and willingly allowing others to partake of something that should be yours alone.
Or to simplify it, a cuck is a man who enjoys watching others despoil something that is his.
There is also a racist component to it, where the despoiler is often a big black man who is viewed as more of an animal than a person. It calls to mind a slave owner cheating on her husband with one of the family's slaves.
Oh right, gotcha, my bad. The same people that think any inclusion of a minority is pandering, or removing the "fun" from video games - agree, those people are so divorced from logic, and seem to make up the majority of the gaming community outside of GAF unfortunately; I'd love to see some research on it. Just exactly how prevalent are those views. I guess any number is too high, but I'd like to think it doesn't impact the majorities decision to purchase a game.
BronsonLee
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Yeah I know that guy Tony, he claims to have perfect rhythm but I'm not sure I believe him because he keeps dying a lot
You're the one making the claim, I'm not denying white fragility or a liberals capacity to be racist (I know I've been very ignorant in the past, and still am), I'm simply saying "easiest" is quite a statement. You're talking about quantity at that point, I want to see figures and studies that show liberals are more likely to fall "into the diet racist tray" than a person who holds right leaning views, that's all
I'll give Robin DiAngelo a search
Here is a good tumblr that saves examples of people of color in EUROPEAN history
Always good for reference
Falsification of history to make it less inclusive happens all the time, if anything we need more falsification of history because we need to even the things out xD
Always good for reference
Falsification of history to make it less inclusive happens all the time, if anything we need more falsification of history because we need to even the things out xD
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Those people are definitely not the majority but for whatever reason Hollywood(etc.) believes that they are. They're just so much louder.
LordKasual
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That's just reacting to a symptom though, I dont know if that would be helpful in actually solving the root cause.
No, would be even better because nobody sees the stuff they complain about historical accuracy for the historical accuracy so children of color would have more examples of people seeing they can be badass in media =D
NoblesseOblige
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There's a few diet racists around who I'm always shocked to see haven't get got. I guess they're smart enough to know to post their trash just infrequently enough to not register as a pattern to most.
SENPAIatLARGE
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You could just use Google.
http://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...female-fighter-pilots-of-world-war-ii/277779/
Frozenprince
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Here's a thought.
Movies are entertainment.
Maybe it doesn't matter what skin color an actor portraying a role is.
Movies are entertainment.
Maybe it doesn't matter what skin color an actor portraying a role is.
KO Traveling Hobo
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And even if historical accuracy is important, the color of a character's skin would probably be one of the least egregious liberties taken in any given movie.
capitalCORN
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There's a system already invested in the thought that diverse casts don't sell, despite the truth being the opposite. Maybe it's a fix, maybe settling for the comfort of the modus operandi. It's an uphill battle regardless.
Subpar Spatula
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Dancing Queen
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Frozenprince
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I do believe you missed entirely the point I was trying to make.
Black folks and minorities should be getting more roles because historical accuracy is a bullshit excuse.
Is that better?
capitalCORN
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Okay, trying to reset the thread with this post. It's all fun and games until people start lashing out on instinct. Please be mindful.
nephilimdj
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Most interesting one is when AA and Asians come up on GAF, we had such a discussion only a few weeks ago. Always people argue against fact, which under this definition is diet racism
Discussion seems up pop up every month or 2, always arguing against rights of Asians
Discussion seems up pop up every month or 2, always arguing against rights of Asians
Just skimmed and it is about russian women?
I'm still unclear on appropriation. If I write something that's entirely fiction in a fictional setting that is not earth, and there are cultures with similarities to real world cultures that I'm not a member of, is that wrong?
Basically, where does one draw the line between inspiration and appropriation.
Basically, where does one draw the line between inspiration and appropriation.
Honest question: in the Duff thread someone said that culture is not for entertainment (or something along those lines). I can see how in this instance it wasn't the smartest thing to do. See also, appropriation of culture. But what if you really like specific stuff about a culture? Would it be insensitive and racist to dress up as a samurai, for example? That's a specific part of Japanese culture. I don't know the ins and outs of samurai culture, but I like what I know from it. Mostly. Would dressing up as a samurai still be racist? And if not, where do you draw the line between dressing up as a samurai, and a native american?
I also wonder about cosplaying a specific character from fiction in this scenario versus just a generic no name samurai, or Native American, or w/e. I think it changes in said instant because you're not stating that the culture as a whole is a "character" or "costume". An example would be dressing up like T.Hawk specifically with the intent of being T.Hawk. Unless of course, T.Hawks essence is racist?
KonradLaw
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I always find this kinds of threads interesting. I rarely participate in discussions, because I'm living in what might be the whitest country on the planet (Poland)i, so I usually don't have much to contribute.
Here there's so few non-whites that the racism that happens is very overt, like throwing bananas at black soccer players, so this is really the only definition of racism that's inside peoples' heads. But reading threads like this I'm always surprised at how nuanced racism can become. Up untill recently I though the racism was over in america, but when the news of police shootings finally broke though I realized I have no idea about USA.
Here there's so few non-whites that the racism that happens is very overt, like throwing bananas at black soccer players, so this is really the only definition of racism that's inside peoples' heads. But reading threads like this I'm always surprised at how nuanced racism can become. Up untill recently I though the racism was over in america, but when the news of police shootings finally broke though I realized I have no idea about USA.
It's very much systematic here. An example is the existence of black ghettos, which were largely created by zoning laws passed by white politicians; laws that relegated most bad businesses to these areas such as liquor stores, pay day loan places, sleazy massage parlors, paraphernalia shops, etc.
I often see posts on here like ''white privilege doesn't exist in the UK'' that will almost always go unchallenged because the majority of people on here are American and probably don't feel comfortable discussing something they are not familiar with.
There are alot of Europeans on the Internet who like to pretend racism towards black people is an American thing.
There are alot of Europeans on the Internet who like to pretend racism towards black people is an American thing.
Didn't brexit pass or at least gain traction through the fear of muslim immigrants?
MistakenMobius
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More like Polish Catholic Immigrants.
I see Moze has a point, at least for people like me.
CaramelMarx
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For what it's worth, I agree with the OP. What's harder to recognize is harder to call out - so you might say 'diet racism' is a cloaking mechanism.
I have a friend that is very bright otherwise, but when it comes to sexist/diversity/race issues he's completely lost. Not actually a sexist or racist mind you, but he's incredibly ignorant. I've heard like 90% of these in discussions with him, hits so close to home
This was touched on though, because if he chooses to remain ignorant then he is at best complicit in the continuation of systemic racism.
KonradLaw
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With Europe everything is differnet. There are general patterns that apply, but national and historical realities make the specifics often quite different. Doesn't mean there aren't problems with racism, just that they often have very different symptoms and solutions, so american experience simply isn't directly applicable.
Most americans would be baffled by white on white racism for example.
MistakenMobius
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Like trying to explain Flemish-Walloon racism to an American is impossible.
There is a rich tradition of white on white racism with regards to poles, irish and italian. "Funnily" enough they often got grouped in with blacks. We just love hating black people.
Not entirely but it played a big part. That argument was based on Turkey eventually joining the EU and allowing free movement of the Muslim population to the UK.
Obviously different cultures are going to have differences but seeing people claim white privilege doesn't exist is disappointing.
In the UK, black people have an issue with poverty, incarceration rates and even police shootings. Just like the US, black people are automatically treated like criminals in the UK. It's a huge issue and claiming white privilege doesn't exist is ignoring it.
TatteredHat
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Great post, though I personally do really value historical accuracy but that goes both ways, whitewashing really annoys me as well. (New GitS movie, the continuous stream of ancient egypt-themed movies that always cast white actors, you name it)
Women in the military has been quite a big diversity issue for women to try and overcome. Women played an important part in the Red Army as well, but people seem to ignore that fact and act as if women shouldn't be in the army.
Funyarinpa
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Eh, I can see and respect artistic integrity and historical accuracy (provided that the accuracy is actually accurate), but that doesn't mean I'd not be perfectly fine with "shoehorned" diversity. I do enjoy diverse casts more, but it's how people make out historical accuracy to be unethical and racist that I have a problem with.
Same goes for artistic integrity.
Same goes for artistic integrity.
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