Nachtfalke
Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANRQ-NGPZQ
Final Fantasy 15 Xbox One Gameplay Frame-Rate Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aysdWXG8WMY
Digital Foundry: Final Fantasy 15 PS4 vs PS4 Pro Gameplay Frame-Rate Test
- Thread starter Nachtfalke
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nANRQ-NGPZQ
Final Fantasy 15 Xbox One Gameplay Frame-Rate Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aysdWXG8WMY
IcyBlueStrawberry
Member
I don't wanna watch the video because I've been avoiding all I can about the game until I can play it at it's best, but waiting is hard.
Can someone who has the Pro version give me an impression of how bad the frame pacing issues actually are? Are they better or worse than Bloodborne?
Can someone who has the Pro version give me an impression of how bad the frame pacing issues actually are? Are they better or worse than Bloodborne?
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
They had 10 years to make it right. The result is very disappointing in every sense.
jacob armitage
Banned
I always kind of find its like a tickling clock for me, once I notice it can be so hard to ignore.
Oddly i find i get far more sensitive to frame rate and frame pacing issues as i get older.
To me, its almost as bad as bad framerate.
FF XV development began four years ago, before it was just a series of CGi and not realtime cutscenes
Robot Pants
Member
I really hope this isn't what the Pro has in store for the future
KainXVIII
Member
Still waiting for Bloodborne patch?
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Has zero to do with the hardware though.
Sorry, but this is probably the last game I buy with frame pacing issues from a Japanese developer. No talking about the issue, best example is WoFF.
SlickShoes
Member
I can't even see the issue, I mean I see it in the graphs and stats but with my eyes I just don't see it.
I'm not saying it doesnt exist or bother people, I'm just amazed that I don't see it at all. This is the first one of these frame pacing comparison videos I've seen and had always wondered about what people were on about when complaining about bloodborne.
I'm not saying it doesnt exist or bother people, I'm just amazed that I don't see it at all. This is the first one of these frame pacing comparison videos I've seen and had always wondered about what people were on about when complaining about bloodborne.
I really hope Square doesn't give up now, not when they've come so close and fix it with a patch.
I don't understand why developers go to great lengths to achieve a stable framerate but undo all of it up with improper framepacing. I mean we know how choppy the framerate used to be in this game and yet they've somehow managed to get it up to stable 30 in even the high node but there is no point in that if the end result still ends up being choppy due to improper framepacing.
I don't understand why developers go to great lengths to achieve a stable framerate but undo all of it up with improper framepacing. I mean we know how choppy the framerate used to be in this game and yet they've somehow managed to get it up to stable 30 in even the high node but there is no point in that if the end result still ends up being choppy due to improper framepacing.
Peterthumpa
Member
Judgement demo has no issue in Light mode, nor the final game, so... maybe?
No..it did.
Much in the same way it exists in Lite mode right now.
The thing to note is that Xbox version of Judgement demo had zero frame pacing issues and while we are mentioning platinum demo as an example to show that it won't improve, it's worth noting that platinum demo dropped framerate everywhere on top of improper framepacing while Judgement and final game doesn't.
So there's hope
Nachtfalke
Member
I recommend this fps analysis from Gamersyde to the people not seeing the frame pacing issues on the High Mode. It stutters like all the time: http://www.gamersyde.com/download_final_fantasy_xv_fps_analysis_high_mode_2_4k_-38749_en.html
Dictator93
Member
Looking at the "high" settings side of the ps4pro footage is like watching a hand cranked film from the 1910s. God damn.
Please fix this Square.
Please fix this Square.
Pretty close on Pro HQ mode IMO.
Is it possible to see the issue in that video, or is there something inherent in recording/encoding that makes it impossible to see?
Because I don't see it. I hope that means I'm just not sensitive to the issue!
Edit: just seen the gamersyde link. Going to check that.
Edit 2: Nope. Don't see it. Guess I'm lucky.
Because I don't see it. I hope that means I'm just not sensitive to the issue!
Edit: just seen the gamersyde link. Going to check that.
Edit 2: Nope. Don't see it. Guess I'm lucky.
Seems to be inherent to the engine. It's been an issue from the start of development. I don't think it will ever be patched.
While I notice frame pacing, it's so prevalent in consoles, and very noticeable in certain PC titles. It just doesn't bother me anymore.
It is evident in both videos. If you can't see it, well, congratulations! You're not sensitive to it!
Dirtyshubb
Member
Maybe it's just me but this seems like one of the most hyperbolic comments I have ever seen on gaf.
I just watched the first few minutes of the footage and couldn't really notice any difference between the two with regards to framepacing. Maybe some people are more susceptible to it than others but to say what you said seems ridiculous.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
It is evident in both videos. If you can't see it, well, congratulations! You're not sensitive to it!
I really want to know the medical reasons for this, I have very bad eyes, but it's very apparent to me.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
In effect, it's exactly as bad as a bad frame rate.
Dirtyshubb
Member
Lol would be interesting, I have 20/20 vision and don't notice it at all. Played through bloodborne too with no issues.
It's only the Pro mode I thought? I tried Lite mode on the Pro and it seemed fine.
No, just dont bother.
Peterthumpa
Member
It's a lot more about perceiving it than seeing.
funking giblet
Member
Can't play Bloodborne because of this, it's just really jarring
I think the first time frame pacing really messed up a game for me was metro on the PC using an R9 290. I couldn't understand why the frame rate was stable around 29-30 fps yet the image kept stuttering and aiming was difficult until I did some research and found out it was due to terrible frame pacing. It is really bad in FF XV though that's clear
Framerate or framepacing issues in a FPS directly make the game unplayable.
the frame pacing is not a dealbreaker for me like it is for a lot of people, but yeah it's disappointing and I hope they patch it. Thankfully people are being rather loud about it (at least on GAF) so maybe it will help to bring more awareness to frame pacing since it's only in recent years where I've heard people actually bring these sorts of issues up. Publishers need to know people care about these things to take it more seriously.
That said I just want to say, I grew up playing games from NES, all through N64, PS1, PS2, etc... bad framerates and pacing issues are by no means new to my eyes... i've dealt with it so often and for so long that I can be forgiving. I still want it to be taken seriously, but by no means is it going to stop me from enjoying an otherwise good game. I don't play FPS or ultra fast-paced games often so it doesn't impact the gameplay much in my uses.
That said I just want to say, I grew up playing games from NES, all through N64, PS1, PS2, etc... bad framerates and pacing issues are by no means new to my eyes... i've dealt with it so often and for so long that I can be forgiving. I still want it to be taken seriously, but by no means is it going to stop me from enjoying an otherwise good game. I don't play FPS or ultra fast-paced games often so it doesn't impact the gameplay much in my uses.
LelouchZero
Member
The frame pacing is quite unfortunate, but the image quality boost is going to be incredible!
I can't wait to get my PS4 Pro to play this game!
I can't wait to get my PS4 Pro to play this game!
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
I am not even sure *what* is it exactly hahaha.
Reading the previous posts in this thread makes me wonder if it's spacial awareness related. For example if I focus on a single point then the frame pacing "appears" less pronounced. But when my focus is wider (e.g. the car driving in relation to both the road and the mountains in the background) then the stuttering is very pronounced. In the cutscene (where Noctis is on the phone) it is very pronounced even without a wide focus as his arm stutters as it is shown moving across his coat.
Magicgamer101
Member
I just watched all the linked videos in this thread about frame pacing and couldn't see anything wrong. At all. I also managed to play Bloodborne just fine. Poor frame rates I can see clearly.
chromatic9
Member
Try to look at the overall scene, follow the mountains with your gaze while the character is moving about, then look over to the other side and it will be consistently smoothly updated rather than juddery.
franklyshankly
Member
I guess my question is if I don't notice it why would I want to keep watching more analysis until I do?
DangerMouse
Member
Yep. The demo was gorgeous. Can't wait to see more in the full game.
And hopefully they patch it with the further Pro update, though I'm not sure yet if I'll notice it.