Digital Foundry: Final Fantasy 15 PS4 vs PS4 Pro Gameplay Frame-Rate Test
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RPGCrazied
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I notice it is at its worst when driving the car and in settlements like where you buy stuff and refuel the car on regular PS4. When you are deep in a zone it can get pretty smooth, I'm still in the first area.
Definitely not on Pro Lite. Much, much better than Bloodborne, but High I could definitely see. Haven't experienced OG PS4 to know.
OsirisBlack
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Wait .... What? Game is absolutely gorgeous I'm also on pro and playing on a 4k tv.
Movalpolos
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Same here and no frame pacing issues. I wonder how many people played the tutorial first.
lol please don't perpetuate this
RPGCrazied
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Or hopefully SE fixes it. It looks great, if they can just smooth it out totally then this will be the best looking PS4 game in my opinion.
Well fingers crossed then. I'm not keen on upgrading to a Pro (saving for a 1070 instead) but frame pacing problems ruined Bloodborne for me so apparently I'm super sensitive to them.
RPGCrazied
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You will see it then. Its not all the time, but when it happens you might think your PS4 is dying with how much it stutters. Sometimes it feels like the Duscae demo it gets so bad.
WickedLaharl
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You sure do have framepacing issues unless you have a magical PS4 Pro
Yeah I've been playing on lite since yesterday. I simply can't play the game on the high mode
That's impossible, your game is having framepacing issues, you just might not notice them (though I find that hard to believe)
Just so everyone knows, the pro version of the game starts at "lite" by default. So unless you've changed the "resolution" setting manually, you've been playing on the lite mode
RPGCrazied
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Could be playing lite mode. I hear that mode has no issues, maybe a hitch here and there, nothing like the high mode or regular PS4's are facing.
That is correct. Lite Mode is nearly perfect, mainly just issues with cutscenes.
dragonzdogma
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Is this video about Final Fantasy XV with the 1.03 patch?
I cant understand the language.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LabTFFIcyYc
"Final Fantasy XV PS4 Master 1.03 : Nos dernières impressions avant le test ! "
EDIT: NVM
Published on 20 Oct 2016
smh.
I cant understand the language.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LabTFFIcyYc
"Final Fantasy XV PS4 Master 1.03 : Nos dernières impressions avant le test ! "
EDIT: NVM
Published on 20 Oct 2016
smh.
The video was uploaded on October 20, 2016, so either way it has to be outdated.
Edit: ah nevermind, you edited that in.
dragonzdogma
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yep, I'm desperate man.
RPGCrazied
Member
I contacted SE, maybe if they get a lot of email about it they will get aware of it. Email SE guys!
dragonzdogma
Member
good job, need a drink?
edit: don't know what happen to the image...anyhow where is the email address you want me to bug them at?
For NA: http://support.na.square-enix.com/contacttop.php?id=14961&la=1
Go through the steps until it gives you an email body to fill out.
Go through the steps until it gives you an email body to fill out.
RPGCrazied
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Have SE ever responded to technical issues before in their games? I can't recall a time.
Someone in another thread got a response about WoFF problems on PS4 Pro.
RPGCrazied
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Oh, but I hear the problem still isn't fixed, so that doesn't bode well. Though I'd think a mainline FF game would probably get better priority but who knows.
On a 1080p display it's not a massive difference, AF is the most apparent improvement there, but I imagine the differences are much more pronounced at 4K.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
This was funny.
Done. Want to get FFXV, but waiting for a fix.
But I'm serious
You're also wrong sadly.
You just have to time your blinks to when it hitches, then you can't see it.
Bloodborne felt and looked like it ran at 25fps, this game has some hitching but its nowhere near as bad as bloodborne. It's a shame it's impossible to even show this problem on video, I look at my recordings of bloodborne and I'd do anything for the game to be as smooth as the video
But I'm serious
Sorry but correctly pacing frames got nothing to do with the TV. The only thing you can do is use interpolation (which introduced lag) to make motion seem more smooth than it actually is so the incorrectly paced frames aren't that noticeable anymore as the TV smooths over the judder. Not saying that's a grand solution but I can definitely see that being a way you could have reduced incorrect frame pacing on your TV in trade for delayed input response.
I rather think you just don't notice it and that's good. Just enjoy the game then instead of worrying about the technical stuff too much.
Bloodborne felt and looked like it ran at 25fps, this game has some hitching but its nowhere near as bad as bloodborne. It's a shame it's impossible to even show this problem on video, I look at my recordings of bloodborne and I'd do anything for the game to be as smooth as the video
Yeah that's how I perceive incorrect frame pacing as well. It's just the frames that do get delivered earlier ruin the motion as the interval between each new frame isn't consistent, which looks like it isn't even running on 30fps since you never do get that feeling of consistent motion due to that.
Are ps pro 4K modes also higher detail, or generally just the PS4 settings at higher resolution?
If the latter, why do they have frame rate issues sometimes? Shouldn't that resolution increase be mainly a GPU thing, so you still have a 30% CPU increase to improve frame rate over a base PS4 version? Might not be enough to massively boost frame rate but should be enough to kill frame pacing
If the latter, why do they have frame rate issues sometimes? Shouldn't that resolution increase be mainly a GPU thing, so you still have a 30% CPU increase to improve frame rate over a base PS4 version? Might not be enough to massively boost frame rate but should be enough to kill frame pacing
The frame pacing is mainly a bug in their code I believe, the CPU and GPU have the power to push the game at the resolutions they run at (On PS4 and Pro) without hitching if the bug in the render is fixed.
NXGamer
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Damn those bugs, if only they followed my tips.
For those times when I get bugs in my code I use bug off Spray, or a rolled up newspaper,
easy fix
RPGCrazied
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How hard is it to fix frame pacing? Do they have to go through the entire code? Hell, I bet people like DF could fix it fast.
I understand that many see frame pacing as a bug, but why would the Lite mode run near flawlessly and the HQ mode suffer from this problem so much?
Also, I thought I wasn't sensitive to this issue because I played Infamous Second Son/ First Light and didn't really have a problem with the stutter (although its there), but this is just on another level. I really feel the game is stuttering all the time, but the graphics are truly awesome on HQ 4K on my KS8000.
Damn those bugs, if only they followed my tips.
For those times when I get bugs in my code...
easy fix
haha guess it's wrong to say bug and more correct that it is either a programming error or bad code leading to the frame pacing that can be corrected. At least according to the DF video they seem to think it can be fixed in a patch. I wonder if Sony tries to work with developers on huge games like this to make sure their platform doesn't have these issues.
I guess less of a bug and more of a sub-par method of code in their rendering pipeline in some cases, there should be a better way to render out the same scene without the pacing issue but it could be a difficult fix, we don't know. The HQ mode probably stresses the Pro a good bit (At least the fan in mine spins up much louder when in HQ mode), in Lite mode I can still see frame pacing or stuttering when running around in the open world while doing the first few quests, not NEARLY as pronounced but still there in some
cases.
The improvements in the performance of the game that we've seen from earlier demos to now give me hope that Square Enix can fix the issue if they care enough to try.
NXGamer
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It will be a "bug" just what the actual cause/issue is etc could be very hard or easy to resolve. Only the programmer could really know on what this issue is.
The bad pacing coming from it is the issue not the cause. Lite mode likely fixes this for now with less Cpu overhead and more ram not used on the larger buffer/effects etc.
They have a patch coming this month sometime so we can see what it fixes. They fact they have a split mode and a boost it is clear that are aware of it.
FairXchange
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Does Lite mode maintain a solid 60fps?
Right now Lite mode is 30FPS, a 60FPS patch is in the works for December
RedlineRonin
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Anyone on pro having weird graphical issues? I'm not sure if it's because I have the pro set to rest mode (haven't thoroughly tested yet) but when I used techniques, I get a brief flash of weird colored pixilation. Don't have a picture to share, but wondering if anyone else has experienced this?
Only during techniques or also when running around in the world? The techniques are supposed to have some GPGPU effects.