JackMcGunns
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So why didn't you just say "my math shows the difference is actually bigger than that"
Not buying it, sorry.
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[Digital Foundry] Fortnite's Unreal Engine 5 Upgrade Reviewed - Lumen/Nanite at 60FPS - PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S + PC!
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So why didn't you just say "my math shows the difference is actually bigger than that"
Not buying it, sorry.
01011001
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Mr Moose
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I don't care if you are buying it or not, I asked how you came to that number, it was wrong.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That would eliminate 50% of current and in-development projects lol
Crispy Gamer
Member
So both PS5 and Series X have the same dynamic resolution with the higher bound hitting 1836p while PS5 stays at the higher bound 55% of the time and Series X hits it 59% of the time. I wonder what percentage they hit the lowest bound 
01011001
Banned
that's still wrong
it's 55% and 59% per axis. (clarified when they talk about what Epic told them the average percentage of the Series S is)
the average resolution on PS5 is therefore
2112 x 1188, which is 2,509,056 pixels
the average resolution on Series X is
2265.6 x 1274.39, which is 2,887,257.984 pixels
the percentage of pixels rendered compared to a full 4K image is therefore actually 30.25% and 34.80% respectively
the percentage difference on average between the two then is that the Series X renders 115.1% as many pixels as the PS5,
or from the PS5's perspective, it renders 86.9% as many pixels as the Series X
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Mr Moose
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What? He was right. Resolution normally scales on both axis.
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01011001
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nope, its 55% per axis and 59% per axis.
so 59% per axis on a 2160p image is 1274.39p
and 55% per axis on a 2160p image is 1188p
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Mr Moose
Member
It normally scales on both axis, unless it's CoD.
01011001
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read what I said again,
PER AXIS... both the vertical and the horizontal axis scales 55% and 59% respectively.
it does scale on both axis indeed, but his calculations were 55% and 59% of the total pixels rendered in a 4K image, which is not accurate.
Mr Moose
Member
You might be right, 73% of 1080p isn't near 720p which I think they mentioned was the average in the video for Series S.
Damn, those resolutions kinda suck lol.
Physiognomonics
Member
In the end what matters is that resolution on twin consoles are good enough on a 4K TV (and playing the game, it really is).
On the other hand XSS resolution is reconstructed to 1080p and good enough for a 1080p TV, not 1440p TV as promised. They also promised the same experience but here it's not the case as we get half the features enabled (half lumen, half shadows, reduced foliage).
And DF are happy with that? How can they objectively have that opinion when technically XSS doesn't even have UE 5.1 like the others consoles?
On the other hand XSS resolution is reconstructed to 1080p and good enough for a 1080p TV, not 1440p TV as promised. They also promised the same experience but here it's not the case as we get half the features enabled (half lumen, half shadows, reduced foliage).
And DF are happy with that? How can they objectively have that opinion when technically XSS doesn't even have UE 5.1 like the others consoles?
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darrylgorn
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Lumen is basically the icing on top of a graphical cake.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I, personally, think Nanite is a bigger revelation for open world games especially.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Biggest game in the world and the PS5 can’t keep up.
scarlet0pimp
Member
My kids plays on the series s version and it looks great on the 40 inch 4k telly. Infact I'd say it's looks really good. I have played it on the series x on a 55 inch telly and that looks great too, and lastly the PC version with 3060ti on a 34 inch intra wide and fortnite looks great on that Epic have done a great job with the visuals
AGRacing
Member
Fortnite saves Christmas yet again.
In all seriousness... seeing this in person on a good TV is mind bowing. I literally opened and closed a door inside of a house repeatedly to just watch how the light reacts. This engine is an incredible technical accomplishment. Feels like we suddenly went "next gen".
In all seriousness... seeing this in person on a good TV is mind bowing. I literally opened and closed a door inside of a house repeatedly to just watch how the light reacts. This engine is an incredible technical accomplishment. Feels like we suddenly went "next gen".
I think most people were already highly sceptical of the 1440p claims, hence *only* being good enough for 1080p is not a big disappointment.
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AGRacing
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I'm playing this on PC as well. It did stutter... Less seriously than usual... In maybe 2 games. Then it disappeared. They also mention in the video that it wasn't as serious and was resolved quickly. We are heading in the right direction.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
All that tech but still low poly assets all over the place and some seriously obvious LOD changes as you approach stuff. Why?
Of course it runs good given the above and naturally it won't pull that off in games attempting details like the Matrix demo.
Same as Fortnite as such a low fi game ran great on any device out there before UE5 but higher quality games don't / can't.
Of course it runs good given the above and naturally it won't pull that off in games attempting details like the Matrix demo.
Same as Fortnite as such a low fi game ran great on any device out there before UE5 but higher quality games don't / can't.
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Yeah, thankfully! Been a huge problem on PC for way too long
Why not?
SportsFan581
Member
I don't really play Fortnite but I'll have to download it just to see how it runs on there. Looks real nice from the video, amazing to see that 60fps can be an option with the GI solution in place.
El Pistolero
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Better by less than 1%...The difference is, imo, negligeable. Interested in watching the SS version analysis, but my mind is unable to concentrate right now, on account of my team playing Portugal tomorrow for a spot in the semi-finals of the world cup...
Deerock71
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Ftfy.
01011001
Banned
they do, but TSR is pretty decent so the final image is very presentable on a TV
01011001
Banned
that's a weird way to say ~15.1%
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Beyond differences XSX vs PS5.... the big news here is that UE5 on all consoles is starting to work. Even surprisingly well in XSS.
Lumen (even without RT hardware) is wonderful and makes 60fps a reality.
The Matrix demo is still the max for UE5 on consoles, but it ran at ~30fps. I have no doubt that with the current updates that same demo would work better now...
The future of UE5 on consoles looks bright.
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El Pistolero
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Yep, my bad! The information did not register correctly, and as I wrote, I'm a bit stressed out over tomorrow's game...
Still, small difference overall. The engine is really flexible...Surely we will enjoy some big profile titles built on it by the end of next year, no?
Kataploom
Gold Member
Low poly... Nanite... Something doesn't compute here...
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Well, assets all over the place are quite blocky even if things like brickwork and roofs now have individual 3D tiling etc. with nanite enabled. If that means that they still apply some kind of automatic sub division to say, random chairs, terrain, rocks and other props but the base model was just so blocky it still looks so and simply has a ton of wasted polygons that don't add any detail or curvature and would only show in some wireframe view highlighting the density of the triangles I don't know for sure I suppose, but much of the content in the game looks low poly and that's that. It's not like you can push a button and a mobile game suddenly becomes Matrix or the other tech demos but stylized instead of realistic though and I don't think they'd be so incompetend as to think they can do that so I have faith these assets are indeed low poly rather than this possible alternative. Maybe this is why in the DF video they think lumen is by far the biggest change to the quality of the visuals (even with the obvious nanite elements I mentioned), I'd think if every asset was recreated in some crazy high density quality it would have been just as striking as lumen lighting is.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
60 FPS with the new UE5 bells and whistles on all the new consoles baby.
And optionally 120 FPS with the older graphical settings if you want more fluidity.
In Cold Blood
Banned
I heard alot of people asking why every dev isn't using FSR.
I think the Temporal Super Resolution solution by Epic on UE5 shows that there are other options.
I think every game on UE5 will use this rather than FSR.
I think the Temporal Super Resolution solution by Epic on UE5 shows that there are other options.
I think every game on UE5 will use this rather than FSR.
It’s 2022 and you’re just figuring out how GPU tiers work.
What next, complain that folks who buy the 3050Ti aren’t getting the same visual performance as those who buy the RTX 3080 at triple the price ?
That’s not a controversial statement. I’d personally be happier with a 6TF series s and I think that’s what they should have aimed for
It’s the other stuff you put in that’s rightly getting the feedback. Claiming it ‘lacks next gen features’ is very incorrect.
That’s what good lighting does .. but haven’t you heard .. RT lighting is overrated according to most posters on GAF
darrylgorn
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Xdrive05
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Even my humble little RTX 3050 runs this buttery smooth with the TSR and 1080p, Ray Tracing on with full reflections, and it does look fantastic. I wonder how much Series S support contributes to good performance on lower end gaming cards, as they had to support that baseline console.
This does ease my fears somewhat about UE5 games not having a 60fps mode. Apparently 60fps UE5 can be done, even on the S console. Now do I expect developers to code to a 60fps target? No, not at all. They'll be chasing the eye candy on UE5 most likely.
This does ease my fears somewhat about UE5 games not having a 60fps mode. Apparently 60fps UE5 can be done, even on the S console. Now do I expect developers to code to a 60fps target? No, not at all. They'll be chasing the eye candy on UE5 most likely.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
In this specific games case, the nee for it to be supported on even lower end hardware than Series S (last gen, Switch) probably contributes very well to it running buttery smooth on a 3050 as well.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Rly? How? I tried TSR 1080p with RT hardware on and got 70~90 fps on a 3080!!! Your 3050 is a beast!
Ferraris are absolutely pathetic, 0km/h in a luxury car?
ANIMAL1975
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