Digital Foundry: Forza Motorsport - PC Tech Review - Graphics Breakdown/Optimised Settings/Series X Settings
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M1chl
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Less bloat, DX on Xbox is simpler more straight forward, due to 2 configurations a lot of legacy functionality just isn't there and so on. Also windows is quite a bit more demanding then Xbox OSHow are they getting more out of the Series CPUs than PC CPUs?
GHG
Gold Member
Heavily reliant on a single thread and worse than Jedi Survivor in terms of CPU core scaling.
Good god.
Also 1000% agreed on the glaring issue of why this doesn't scale higher on PC, particularly in terms of the RT reflections and the absence of RTGI.
I don't understand what the hell they've been doing for all this time.
Good god.
Also 1000% agreed on the glaring issue of why this doesn't scale higher on PC, particularly in terms of the RT reflections and the absence of RTGI.
I don't understand what the hell they've been doing for all this time.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Because PC's aren't as powerful as the Series S yet.How are they getting more out of the Series CPUs than PC CPUs?
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Well I think it's not a surprise that the PC version is unfinished, broken (frequent crashes), and RT isn't impressive (to me).
However it seems installing the game has now broken any sound from my other games!!
EDIT: It's actually completely disabled all sounds on my PC and I can't find the volume source. WTF is going on?
EDIT 2: Nevermind. Damn system switched sound output. Man PCs are a headache some times.
But still...
FUCK YOU MS!
However it seems installing the game has now broken any sound from my other games!!
EDIT 2: Nevermind. Damn system switched sound output. Man PCs are a headache some times.
But still...
FUCK YOU MS!
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roosnam1980
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whats up with the low res textures on the console version , a bug?
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Honestly pretty scathing commentary from Alex in the conclusion of this video:
"The game was shown off with much, much, much better RT reflections in the pre-release footage. And it even showed off RTGI, which is completely missing from launch.
Why is there not more useful quality knobs at launch for things like RT reflection resolution, distance, and RTGI? It is disappointing that one of the biggest visual improvements over consoles in the end ends up being anisotropic filtering.
CPU core scaling is worse than even Star Wars Jedi: Survivor."
"The game was shown off with much, much, much better RT reflections in the pre-release footage. And it even showed off RTGI, which is completely missing from launch.
Why is there not more useful quality knobs at launch for things like RT reflection resolution, distance, and RTGI? It is disappointing that one of the biggest visual improvements over consoles in the end ends up being anisotropic filtering.
CPU core scaling is worse than even Star Wars Jedi: Survivor."
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Tripolygon
Banned
2x AF. Makes textures look blurry.
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Desprado123
Member
Is DF stating that RTX 2070 super is giving same level of performance as Xbox Series X?
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Sounds like another rushed release to me. RTGI has been confirmed to be coming in the future, and I'll bet you any money we'll see much improved CPU core utilization and "Ultra+" type settings down the line as well.
Disappointing, to be honest. This should've been here at launch.
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Or the team is spread thin from get the Series S working plus the PC on top of the Series X.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
6 years. Next gen consoles with 8 cores 16 thread CPUs as base targets. Doesnt implement multithreading.
My guess is that this game was made in 3 years and they were busy helping 343 with Halo infinite for the first three years like the reports suggested. missing maps, cars, and other features that were in previous games.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Seems like the Series consoles held the PC back.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
upgrade your cpu to a 7800x3d or any 7000 series CPU.
i know you dont want to hear it but we saw the same thing in starfield. not every game is as well optimized on the cpu front as cyberpunk.
Try turning off RT altogether. I also have a 3080 but with a i7-11700k which has aged very well compared to zen 2 and zen 3 cpus. i will report back to see what framerates im getting.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
What resolution and what level of DLSS?
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Turn off RT for one its just not worth the performance hit
But yeah game is not in a great spot
DLSS is broken for some
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artsi
Member
I should upgrade but the DF settings are literally for 5600 so I don't know what's going wrong. The graphics settings work very randomly.
Even with RT off sometimes I get over 100fps, sometimes it dives to 30fps without any good reason.
4K output resolution and I've tried many DLSS settings from Ultra Performance to Balanced.
DLSS doesn't seem to do much anything and sometimes it randomly turns into FSR 2.0 and I can't get DLSS even visible in the menu.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Im pretty sure those settings/hardware aren't for 4K native - but it seems like that is probably what you are trying to push no matter what DLSS you have selected due to some kind of bug.
Killer8
Member
Microsoft's Gen 9 Pro console, ladies and gentlemen:
Yes but pushing it higher than that is bringing much higher spec PC hardware to its knees.
This is Starfield all over again where people were disappointed about 30fps on the Series X but then the PC version's high requirements came out and suddenly it all made perfect sense...
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
could you be running out of vram? did you restart after changing settings? alex said that it causes issues.
artsi
Member
Yeah I wouldn't dare to try on native resolution but the DLSS just doesn't work like it usually does in games.
I'd be fine with 1080p scaled to 4K output if it just worked normally.
I'm literally running out of everything lol, GPU usage is 100% and VRAM is filled sometimes even if I put resolution to 720p.
It doesn't seem right.
Tried restarting the game, I'm now reinstalling GPU drivers to force shader compilation again.
dlss is probably broken, its in their "known issues" list
Insane Metal
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HeisenbergFX4
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Senua
Member
Those no way those kinda folks existFor "FSR is just as good as DLSS" folks:
Turk1993
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
When you have to zoom in so far that all of them look like crap and you are picking which one looks least crappy then it might not be the best example. Plus no-one ever says that FSR performance should even be used and no-one says that FSR is as good as DLSS just that it can look pretty much the same in some games at 4K quality.For "FSR is just as good as DLSS" folks:
But other than that - good point.
GHG
Gold Member
Xcell Miguel
Gold Member
Run the HDR calibration app on PC to generate a profile for your screen, you should then notice similar values in games as on Xbox.
Windows HDR Calibration - Free download and install on Windows | Microsoft Store
This app lets you calibrate your HDR display to optimize it for HDR games (including Auto HDR) and other HDR content on your Windows 11 PC. Go through a series of steps to set the minimum and maximum brightness levels, as well as color saturation level, to create a new color profile that's made...
www.microsoft.com
Bry0
Member
I did, and oddly didn't notice much difference after applying. I'll have to try rebooting and making sure the profile is applied I guessRun the HDR calibration app on PC to generate a profile for your screen, you should then notice similar values in games as on Xbox.
Windows HDR Calibration - Free download and install on Windows | Microsoft Store
This app lets you calibrate your HDR display to optimize it for HDR games (including Auto HDR) and other HDR content on your Windows 11 PC. Go through a series of steps to set the minimum and maximum brightness levels, as well as color saturation level, to create a new color profile that's made...www.microsoft.com
Xcell Miguel
Gold Member
If you switch screens often, you need to reapply the profile each time.
Every times I plug in my TV's HDMI to my PC, it's detected as a 500 nits TV instead of 1000, so HDR is not as good as when the profile is applied.
You may need to create a second profile to be able to switch it back, as even if the profile is selected, it can not be applied.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
For "FSR is just as good as DLSS" folks:
Is there a single person on the internet that claims that FSR is as good as DLSS or are you just making shit up?
And those screens are Performance mode. Who the hell in their right mind uses FSR (or DLSS) Performance mode?
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Buggy Loop
Member
What a shit downgrade compared to the early presentations with RTGI.
Fuck this shit
With things like this
I'm not sure what's up at Microsoft right now but it's fucking dire.
Fuck this shit
With things like this
I'm not sure what's up at Microsoft right now but it's fucking dire.
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Bry0
Member
I was actually able to figure it out. I switched dynamic tone mapping on my LG from ON to hgig and now it looks similar to Dolby vision on Xbox. Didn't even realize that was a thing. Ran the calibration again and it's all good. Thanks for your help! Will keep that in mind about the profiles
Bojji
Member
Yep, I discussed with such people in the past here.
Quality mode screenshot would look better of course but essential problems like ghosting and fizzling on motion would still be there, just lees pronounced (maybe more ghosting with lower fps).
Point is, even at performance Dlss would look better than fsr in Quality...
AMD have some fucking unused ai hardware in rDNA3, they should make it work in machine learning version of FSR2 but looks like they don't care.
sendit
Member
Everyone that owns a AMD card. Have you been living under a rock?
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