Doczu
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[Digital Foundry] Immortals of Aveum PS5/Xbox Series X/S: Unreal Engine 5 is Pushed Hard - And Image Quality Suffers
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
just out of curiosity I tested FSR 2.1 in resident Evil 4.
I finished the game at 4k with fsr2 quality preset.
I turned it down to ultra performance like immortals and it doesn't looks too bad. Obviously blurry but fsr2 resolves surprisingly good. And not as much motion artificing as in release version of forespoken on ps5 which had very bad fsr2.1 on release in motion.
So I am not defending it. I think 1080p should be BARE minimum for fsr2 but honestly, resolution is not so important these days due to these new techniques.
Resident evil at 4k with ultra performance fsr 2.1 beats any 1080p game image qulity from ps4.
I finished the game at 4k with fsr2 quality preset.
I turned it down to ultra performance like immortals and it doesn't looks too bad. Obviously blurry but fsr2 resolves surprisingly good. And not as much motion artificing as in release version of forespoken on ps5 which had very bad fsr2.1 on release in motion.
So I am not defending it. I think 1080p should be BARE minimum for fsr2 but honestly, resolution is not so important these days due to these new techniques.
Resident evil at 4k with ultra performance fsr 2.1 beats any 1080p game image qulity from ps4.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Then either DRS is in place or Tom screwed up, which wouldn't be the first time.
Pedro Motta
Gold Member
Once again DF completely missing such an important and clear detail, PS5 is in fact way sharper.Hmm... you seems right... I pic each screen at 4K on this video and all are
Look the hand on the bottom right
At least, maybe is DRS or 1366x768 on PS5 native resolution (wich is not great anyway), but that's explain the framerate difference.
Sleepwalker
Member
Kataploom
Gold Member
Dynamic geometry pop in while adjusting mesh polygons counts based on camera view, I'm seeing it since UE5 Demos and it's kinda distracting, and I'm not that delicate with those details
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
This is exactly the same statement I saw in some other comparison (that ps5 is sharper)
edit: Either way ps5 is the only option for me. I ain't installing any EA launcher or epic launcher (for upcoming Alan Wake 2 by the way)
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Erm, it runs better because it looks much, much worse. The image quality is shocking.
This is not a good showing for the S.
Watch the video.
Erm, it runs better because it looks much, much worse. The image quality is shocking.
This is not a good showing for the S.
Watch the video.
Rudius
Member
It's not raw 720p like on PS3, but utilizing advanced reconstruction technics that bring the image to about PS4 quality. It's not the best image in the world, but it's not that bad.
balls of snow
Gold Member
Should have offered a 30 fps option. Destiny 2 was 30 fps on last gen, only shooter better than it was the doom duology.
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Kataploom
Gold Member
They're probably using TSR before FSR, so double upscaling or whatever, I think the problem the studio lack of competence or time to optimize this game anyway
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
These techniques make 720p look better than early 1080p ps4 games.
For example, look at driveclub or bloodborne. 1080p aliased hell. But fsr helps with AA and resolve to higher res... to some degree.
I don't think it looks better than let's say uncharted 4 TAA image quality
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
What's telling is that one of the backdrops in IOA (The orange looking one) isn't too far off on visual cue from Bulletstorm, a 12 year old game:
Ofcourse geometric density and detail is vastly different in IOA, but it reminded me of it.
IOA can look stunning, but in their quest for 60 fps, the IQ takes a nosedive completely unworthy of each console. 720p on XSX/PS5 is terrible, and 436p on Series S brings me back to 2000, where i ran games at 800x600 and 1024x768, which is higher res than Series S does.
I love some of the art design, but the technical sample showcases there is a lot of work to do for UE5 to become a hit there.
Ofcourse geometric density and detail is vastly different in IOA, but it reminded me of it.
IOA can look stunning, but in their quest for 60 fps, the IQ takes a nosedive completely unworthy of each console. 720p on XSX/PS5 is terrible, and 436p on Series S brings me back to 2000, where i ran games at 800x600 and 1024x768, which is higher res than Series S does.
I love some of the art design, but the technical sample showcases there is a lot of work to do for UE5 to become a hit there.
TheTony316
Member
Is it just me or does the PS5 look quite a bit sharper?
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Mr Moose
Member
It is. Tom is blind though.
M.W.
Gold Member
Worthy investment. Console plebs take note.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
PS5 does look significantly sharper. Trees and stairs are a dead giveaway.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I'm thinking Lumen is perhaps what tanks performance. They should have relied on baked lighting considering this doesn't seem to have dynamic TOD and it would have saved enormously on performance. I understand they're a tiny studio so perhaps they didn't have the resources for that or it would have looked worse but all those effects at once need to be pared back (especially the crazy particle explosions) or needed more time in the oven.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
So are we still at "we don't need Pro versions of PS5 and Series X"? 
Hudo
Member
More power cannot save you that much from bad choice of algortihms/bad optimizations.
Horseganador
Member
The PS5 version looks clearly cleaner in those screenshots or in the other comparison that they have posted.
DevilMayFlyForAWhiteGuy
Member
I usually just avoid anything with Unreal engine; it seems (since the 360 era) like the only exceptions are the developers who take the time to tinker with the engine to make it suit their needs in order to get good results on consoles. Like the Batman Arkham games for example, we’re heavily modified UE3 and ran great on console. If it’s just a game made made straight on the engine with no modifications shit like this happens.
BbMajor7th
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I wouldn't mind seeing the base resolution take a dive if the game looked a generation ahead of the rest, but... this looks pretty middle-of-the-road.
All this power-hungry tech and no big difference - we got PBR land AO ast gen and it literally transformed the look of games.
Demon Souls and HFW both look far ahead of this and have far better IQ.
All this power-hungry tech and no big difference - we got PBR land AO ast gen and it literally transformed the look of games.
Demon Souls and HFW both look far ahead of this and have far better IQ.
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Lucie Goosey
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There are consequences for poor work in a free market.
Studios and developers shouldn't be rewarded with the opportunity to perpetually push out poor work.
The consequences are less people will buy this game and others, and then the studio and the developers will be left to face reality.
Maybe they go out of business, and that's okay.
Crispy Gamer
Member
At the 9:55 mark at the lower left of the screen PS5 also has more "grass" 
is grass gate back
is grass gate back
Bojji
Member
FSR2 is not advanced enough to make 720p resolution look ok on 4K screen (DLSS can somewhat do that), it looks bad in anything but quality mode (1440p).
Remnant at least use TSR so this 720p resolution doesn't look like that most of the time, why this devs didn't use it and went with bad FSR here?
Freelance Yakuza
Member
"the same experience at 1440p"
Mr.Phoenix
Member
When are people gonna accept the problem here is UE5?
Elder Legend
Banned
It absolutely is a golden bullet, assuming you give it to the right hands which in this game's case is the complete opposite. Also, we are still early in the generation, developers, especially indie and 3rd party are gonna need more time to truly take advantage of it.
Do you honestly thing that magic can just happen for the first time when someone gets their hands on new tech? The PS4 didn't even reach its full potential until TLOU 2 came out in 2020.
I don't understand why people just expect perfection 24/7. I don't believe majority of people here have a clue how game dev works. Lol.
twilo99
Gold Member
Wth is this shadow quality on the S lol!?
40% price difference in the hardware...
jm89
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Bojji
Member
TLoU2 is proprietary engine and you can see last gen and (so far) this gen devs using proprietary engines achieved better results then the ones using middle ware. TLoU1 looks better than most games released this gen and runs 1440p 70+ FPS on PS5, Ratchet and Horizon also look (and run) much better than UE4/5 games.
UE5 is a resource hog, so far it doesn't produce good results on this consoles. I completed Fort Solis on PC today, Nanite and Lumen etc. but this game doesn't look much better than UE4 games in reality, lumen also creates many artifacts with lighting AND game is heavy as fuck to run.
Insane Metal
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
if it was a golden bullet, the dev hands wouldn't matter too much. Only art.
But these are seemingly experienced devs too.
Anyway - yeah, it is early for the engine and it's use here
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Unreal engine 5 was a con?
onnextflix5
Member
Ue5 is dog shit, devs will go back to in house engines in a few years no doubt.
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Insane Metal
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Lol, PS5 so obviously has a resolution advantage. At the same time it does have a framerate disadvantage, yes.
Md Ray
Member
This is true, even if some people will hate to admit it. I look forward to Naughty Dog's true next-gen game on PS5.
Romulus
Member
I'm not even sure running on a future 5000 series GPU running this ultra max everything and 200fps could save it from the real problem. It's trying to be a graphical showcase and those just don't exist anymore.
The artstyle is great in terms of environments and allows the devs to show off some cool stuff, the problem is there's nothing to show off anymore. There are no real advancements that are any sort of jump. The fakery of these effects and methods have been bridging the gap for years by the time the real thing is here onscreen it means nothing now. Just looks fine.
The artstyle is great in terms of environments and allows the devs to show off some cool stuff, the problem is there's nothing to show off anymore. There are no real advancements that are any sort of jump. The fakery of these effects and methods have been bridging the gap for years by the time the real thing is here onscreen it means nothing now. Just looks fine.
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Belthazar
Member
720p for current-gen is bad enough... But under PS2-era resolution for Series S must be a new low for a AAA game, isn't it?
I've been advocating for not chasing 4k, as it's a waste. But I feel 1080p should be the minimum. The game is gorgeous, but it's kinda lost when you lose so much detail in the upscaling process.
I've been advocating for not chasing 4k, as it's a waste. But I feel 1080p should be the minimum. The game is gorgeous, but it's kinda lost when you lose so much detail in the upscaling process.
KillaJamm
Member
This, still one of the best looking games released on current gen to this day and it runs pretty much flawlessly. What is going on with some of these new releases I don't know.People bitch about 60fps so much.....well there you go.
Eat you dogs!
Metro Enhanced has RTGI other devs probably need to see how 4A managed to get RTGI at 60fps ~at 1080-1800p.
Granted Metro has much lower geometry detail and texture quality.
intbal
Member
Remedy doesn't have a problem with it at all.
Northlight is a deferred renderer. Quantum Break featured 4xMSAA.