A game becomes much more enjoyable at 60fps.
Ever compared playing Dark Souls on consoles and PC for example ?
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A game becomes much more enjoyable at 60fps.
Ever compared playing Dark Souls on consoles and PC for example ?
Why limit that to Nintendo? Why not wish all console makers would go third party and put all of their games on mobile and PC instead? It's a wider audience who would never get to experience those games otherwise after all.
Even on Gamecube and N64 (most powerful consoles of each of their generation) had Zelda on 30 (or 20 for the N64) fps, because Nintendo prioritize better graphics instead of framerate for the 3D Zelda.
If the Switch was more powerful, they would have "just" improved the visuals, but not the framerate. History proved that.
Nikana
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I didn't disagree but a 30 fps game with a solid frame rate is not suddenly a bad game. And most people play dark souls on a console, with 30fps.
This is liking asking Sony, that the Vita should have graphics like the PS4 from the start! Do you even know, what the Switch is?
If you're okay with a Wii U game running at 720p-1080p/30fps on the next Nintendo console, you do have low standards.
You just accept having these low standards for Nintendo because their software has always been strong no matter what.
OrbitalBeard
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I prefer 60fps, but a locked 30 is no slouch and I'm perfectly happy with it.
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JetSetRadio
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That does sound...really bad.
Nikana
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Jonneh3003
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It does not become "more enjoyable" but let's not get into this worthless debate. Millions have enjoyed Dark Souls on consoles just fine and some of the greatest games like Ocarina of Time barely run at 20FPS, same goes for Shadow of the Colossus. If you care about high frame rates then just play on PC.
Can Crusher
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Heh.
It's a matter of perspective, I bet. Isn't Nintendo basically angling a merger of mobile with home console? Essentially making Switch the 3DS and WiiU successor at the same time. So the basis of comparison changes a bit, and maybe you should look at the 3DS level of third party support as a reference.
It's not going to get GTA that's for sure.
It is a rumour, but Laura Kate Dale has a really good track record. I wouldn't discount it yet, nor would I put full trust in it. We'LL likely see in January if it is real.
The only visually "stunning" Zelda game so far was Wind Waker.
BotW looks like it could match that feeling, despite limited hardware.
I heard it's a home console, from Nintendo themselves.
Have you even paid attention to their marketing ?
If they market it as the successor of the 3DS, or as primarily a handheld, which it is, then I'll stop expecting home console performances out of it.
Until then, I'll keep complaining because I love Nintendo's home consoles and wish some people would want them to continue on that line of hardware too.
Herb Alpert
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Lol
Again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again
Sigh...
Edit: and even the 1985 date is wrong lol
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*Meaningless question.* Insulting reply.
Did I get it right ?
Did I manage to look like an absolute dumbass too by contributing nothing to the conversation ?
So proud of myself, you should be too.
Wishmaster92
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On this forum, yes. Don't even mention 60fps because "Barely any Zelda games are 60fps so it doesn't really matter" lol at least make it look Noticeably better on the switch like a new generation console should bring? Nope, that jimmy fallon switch footage was not pleasing graphically at all for a system that's a generation better than the Wii U.
Might be wise to refer to Thraktor's post earlier in the thread, we still don't have the full picture of what the console can do in terms of power and there might still be some stuff lost in translation.
At best I still think we're looking at below-Xbox One. If the console really is the worst case scenario and Dark Souls 3 still runs on it then it's likely because it has some really good porting/dev tools behind it, in which case Switch would still be likely to get some semblance of third party support.
TheMagician
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What about the 4GB of RAM?
What advantages does that give Switch over the 2GB of RAM the Wii U had and 512MB the 360/PS3 had?
What advantages does that give Switch over the 2GB of RAM the Wii U had and 512MB the 360/PS3 had?
Jonneh3003
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People are way too focused on "their marketing" they literally havnt marketed the system, there have been a few sentences from Nintendo of America, that isn't their Switch marketing campaign.
Low-Standards? Like you said, as long as the games are great, graphical standards are meaningless. Or do you say, that all people,who love Minecraft, Steardrew Valley or Undertale on PC, hand low-standards ..
Hopefully this will be the last release of nintendo hardware. No more hampered software after this.
chromatic9
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And Xbox fans have been saying they're in Sony's pocket this gen and are sick of the non stop Sony coverage. Fans will see what they want
Really all they do is cover the platforms from a tech standpoint, yet people can't handle it. PC hardware and Steam has come along way in the last 5 years, it's natural people like DF reflect that.
We see this in Giant Bomb podcasts, people hate it when they bring up PC. Last gen it was all Xbox 360 especially from 2005/6 to 2012 then the consoles got a bit stale. It's just reflecting the times. PC is just more relevant now, sorry.
It does.
Play the games you listed in 60fps and you'll feel the difference.
The 30fps standard is garbage, every game feels much better with better framerate.
And you make it sound like I'm talking about PC master race exagerations, with their 120fps+ standards these days. I'm only asking for 60fps, that's not much to ask.
Pains me that players have settled for 30fps.
Jonneh3003
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Oooh boy this thread is toxic, bring on January 13th.
Oh we'll get hampered software. It just won't be hampered by specs - not that being on better hardware means they'll feel inclined to push the envelope. Nintendo's cost-efficient strategy persists into software and it's likely they'd double down on it if they weren't on dedicated hardware.
It seems like you haven't paid attention to the marketing as far as I'm aware Nintendo showed a hybrid console you can take on the go with Wii U level graphics. Which guess what? This is what the Switch is. The trailer basically marketed the Switch exactly.ad the leaks are revealing.
Another good reason for Nintendo to try to do things differently.
Pasedo
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I just want it powerful enough to have 3rd parties porting their games across with steady frame rates. Sounds like this might not be the case
hope Nvidia can do this with a Shield Tablet 2 and get the support. I want a mobile 3rd party device that isn't a laptop.We're now into "low framerates aren't bad" territory.
Kssio_Aug
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Everyone with "high standards" (lol, whut?) play on PC.
Jonneh3003
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I'm cool with 30fps but then again I have low standards according to you.
Relaxed Muscle
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Not true, plenty of games, great games, where graphics are meaningful.
No these games are awesome !
They would be less awesome thought with bad framerate, which is my whole point.
I'm not talking about graphical improvements per say, I just want games to run better on the gen+1 than they did on the current gen.
Now it looks like the Wii U version will be 25-30fps and the Switch will only allow it to be locked to 30fps.
Am I the only one here thinking this is a f*cking joke ?
Toadthemushroom
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System memory: 32GB, max transfer rate: 400MB/s
Interesting to see the max transfer rate of the internal storage of the dev kits at 400MB/s - how will a microSD card keep up? This system isn't going to support UFS.
If true, that's approaching iPhone 6s (and iPhone 7, which has the same storage controller) speeds?
Interesting to see the max transfer rate of the internal storage of the dev kits at 400MB/s - how will a microSD card keep up? This system isn't going to support UFS.
If true, that's approaching iPhone 6s (and iPhone 7, which has the same storage controller) speeds?
Kssio_Aug
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Low frame-rate is bad. But it doesn't make a game bad. Did you know some of the greatest games had a pretty shit frame-rate? Demon's Souls is a good example.
If you want a guarantee of nice performance and visuals, you totally should just buy a PC instead.
Hmm so what do you think would be the best plan for Nintnedo. To release a $400 Switch so games can run at 60FPS. Sometimes you have to accept the direction Nintnedo are going and just get a system that appeals to your requirements like a PC. As I reckon a more.expensive Switch would basically sell worse for Nintnedo just to appeal to people like you demanding 60fps.
Welcome to consoles. 30fps isn't exactly a Nintendo only "problem".
Excuse you, I'll have you know Mario Kart 8 was 59fps and it was still perfectly playable!
Kssio_Aug
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Of course you're not the only one. No one is saying 60 fps is a bad thing, ever! It just is not a recquirement to make o good game.
But being over a gen behind in hardware is.
They could have done a current gen console capable of 60fps ports with maybe a lower graphical fidelity by coming years after the competition, for much less than the $400 you think it would cost.
They had the chance to do so with Polaris, and with low level API.
Time to spring for that $299 Deluxe model I guess. Hope we get 128GB.System memory: 32GB, max transfer rate: 400MB/s
Interesting to see the max transfer rate of the internal storage of the dev kits at 400MB/s - how will a microSD card keep up? This system isn't going to support UFS.
If true, that's approaching iPhone 6s (and iPhone 7, which has the same storage controller) speeds?
System memory: 32GB, max transfer rate: 400MB/s
Interesting to see the max transfer rate of the internal storage of the dev kits at 400MB/s - how will a microSD card keep up? This system isn't going to support UFS.
If true, that's approaching iPhone 6s (and iPhone 7, which has the same storage controller) speeds?
So this means the OS will be very snappy?
You are right, but.-
* CPUs need a lot less bandwidth than GPUs
* Switch CPUs clock is low making their needs also lower
* And there's loooooots of bandwidth to spare as seen in the table
More like 6x docked and slightly less undocked, but fair point
http://kyokojap.myweb.hinet.net/gpu_gflops/
I do hope the screen quality is good. The OLED screen of the PS Vita is one of the things I would miss most... alongside its super awesome DPad and symmetric analog sticks.
Still, many of us hoped in a last hurrah in the dedicated home console market and see what Nintendo first party developers could do with a machine fast enough to run Xbox One ported games (and coming out 3 years after there was hope this was not going to be impossible for Nintendo to target cheaply enough too), but we are effectively witnessing Nintendo adding TV out capabilities to their handhelds and killing off their dedicated home consoles line.
Those vita Gflops are wrong though, vita is around 15 glops? I'll look out for a concrete number later.-
https://twitter.com/yifanlu/status/633323067930976256
Home consoles market was a lost war whatever the technical specs of the switch were going to be, going cutting edge could have yielded maybe something close-ish to (but not quite) Xbox one, but what's the point? Trolling / criticism was going to be almost the same anyway, it would have been laughed for being weaker than even the Xbox One and ready to be stomped out by Ps4 Pro and Scorpio.
But I don't agree they are totally giving up on the home business, they are trying to approach it by the sidelines. While it's technically true that it is a "Portable with a tv-out" I would add that it's a "Portable with a tv-out done right", some of the product features while ignored make it a fleshed out product, for example.-
* The dock, to seamlessly charge, dock / undock it
* Being able to use a pro controller
* Being able to render in native HD the game on TV
Will they succeed achieving a good adoption rate with this approach, or only portable users will buy Switch? Time will tell, but in my eyes they've done a lot of things right and power was never going to be a deciding factor in their success anyway.
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