Kssio_Aug
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PS4 is probably more than a gen behind when you compare it to PC, and everyone think it's beautiful.
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PS4 is probably more than a gen behind when you compare it to PC, and everyone think it's beautiful.
I won't settle for 59 fps.
This is 2016 damn it !
Haha.
It's not, but it makes good games even more enjoyable to play !
Mihael Mello Keehl
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You guys better heightened your standards 👀
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Every console has compromises. There will be PS4 pro games that won't run at 60fps. It's just an accepted reality in video games not exclusive to Nintendo. Ideally I would love to play every video game in its best possible state, but consoles are always going to have compromises.
PdotMichael
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A 200 something console isn't competing with PC.
But a 200 something Switch will compete with the PS4.
30fps is no problem as long as the game is designed around it. Nintendo had many games, which run at 60fps like Smash 4 or Mario Kart 8. Fast games, where the input matters. Zelda doesn't need 60fps and it's not designed around it. Especially since the WiiU version runs with 30fps and this makes porting it easier.
Also there are many 30fps games for PS4 and XBoxOne ... So what is your point?
Psycho_Mantis
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Its just a rumour and DS3 isn't even that intensive of a game, especially considering FROM's acceptable standards lol.
Kssio_Aug
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I won't settle for 59 fps.
This is 2016 damn it !
Haha.
It's not, but it makes good games even more enjoyable to play !
I agree. But except I'm playing on PC I would not set my expactations for butter smooth frame-rate. When Nintendo wants to focus on the visual aspect they try to cap it at 30, the same as Sony and Microsoft does.
They're coming in ahead of Wii U. Over a gen behind would be more like a Vita.
PS4 doesn't even support 60fps games.across.the board. It's upto the developers and Nintendo has had 60fps games on Wii U.
As for releasing a standard console at the same price as PS4. Would be quite pointless as people already own a PS4 or Xbox One S. It was obviously from the get go Nintendo combining their console and handheld is their best bet to be successful.
Let's see, has the PS4 a screen and can run on the go? No, you have think about this aspect and can't simply compare numbers.
Several PS3 games were only 1080p 30fps when ported to the PS4. And Zelda is far from being released so we really have no idea how it will perform on Switch and Wii U. You're definitely overreacting.
You know you are ruining gaming for him by accepting such garbage. You should apologize for causing him pain.
Wishmaster92
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Who asked for this at the possible expense of major 3rd party support? By major I mean competing consoles, not handheld 3rd party.
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
Or adults that expect good performance from a console hybrid being released by a major player in 2017.
Poimandres
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I'm fine with 30fps, but low frame rates can have a serious negative impact on playability. This goes beyond just impacting presentation.
Suburban Thug
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...PC and consoles are two different beasts. The point is that Nintendo refuses to offer a product comparable to what Sony and Microsoft put out. Hence the "being a gen behind in hardware" comment from that user.
Sure, I forgot all the games on X1/PS4 are 1080p/60fps.
A PS4 also costs $300-400 depending on the model. And ot was underpowered when it launched, the days of bleeding edge consoles ended with 360/PS3.
Toadthemushroom
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Hopefully. Then again, a brand-new Galaxy Note 7 seems to struggle, and that has pretty good read speeds as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-61FFoJFy0&feature=youtu.be&t=68
Wonder how much of that difference in the video (2015's iPhone 6s Vs 2016's Note 7) is down to read speeds - I noticed that despite having twice the RAM, the Note 7 also kicks out some apps out of memory in the second lap, which doesn't happen once on the iPhone.
I'm reacting to this rumor, and according to that, it would be a miracle if you could play a significantly better version of BotW in terms of graphics and/or framerate.
Also it seems like they are pushing the Wii U a lot further With this game than they would if it was an exclusive. I dont think Nintendo would have tolerated that framerate on the Wii U if it wasnt for the switch Version.
Kssio_Aug
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It doesn't change the fact that PS4 is not in the same gen as PC either.
Also it's quite easy to talk about "generations" and ignore the biggest aspect that differenciates Switch from any other console this generation.
And PS4/XB1 and Switch are two different beasts as well.
It's the closest you can get from a guarantee. Much closer than any console.
But Switch is a generational (10x) leap over Vita if these specs are accurate.
Oh noo they are doomed, again. Thank you for stepping by.
Relaxed Muscle
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In terms of X company will release PS4 Y port on switch,yeah you can just simply compare numbers.
Because Nintendo is well known for not making 60 FPS games. Also you just moved the goalpost to PC because you realised barely anything is 60, let alone a locked 30, GG.
Similarly, weren't there smartphones with better specs than the Vita out before the Vita itself? Yet the Vita was a beast.
Everything is shitty, so let's not hope for change.
Yeah, that's the vibe I'm getting from your post.
The only reason visuals are more important than framerate in the console industry is because visuals are more marketable.
Now you just stopped making any semblance of sense.
Onimusha78
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Given a choice between this thing being as powerful as a ps4 and being portable, being portable wins every time. Also if it means that all of the 3DS devs are now working on this thing I imagine 3rd party games will make up like 25% of my library
Those Vita devs have to move somewhere too. If Falcom actually release their shit on a system I own, I'll be happy
PdotMichael
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The PS4 is already three years on the market, no one claims that the PS4 is some piece of cutting edge technology.
And now Nintendo wants to release a "home gaming system" in 2017 which will be closer to the WiiU (which was at no point in its lifetime a powerful console) in docked mode than to the PS4.
Jonneh3003
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Is frame rate all that matters to you? It clearly doesn't to all developers who understand the technical aspects far better than I do. Of course it is nice to have games run at 60fps and fast paced games like fighters need it but it just feels wasted on games like Breath of the Wild. I would rather see visual enhancements above frame rate enhancements.
Wouldn't it be more sensible to demand devs to prioritize higher framerates over visuals then.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Yeah but at what point do you keep scaling down dark souls 3 that it dont even look like what the game is supposed to look like anymore
This is getting ridiculous. How is this more than one gen behind exactly?
PS4 is 1.8tflops, PS4 Pro is 4.2tflops and this is 393gflops (at worst). There's less difference between this and the Pro than between Wii U and PS4, that's even before considering that the Pro uses the more powerful hardware mostly to increase resolution over the base console. The Switch is already horrible without shitposting and downplaying what it actually is, don't even bother.
Alright, glad I don't according to you though, I'm not settling for explanations on why a new generation of "home console" shouldn't run older games better.
That makes so much more sense than what I'm asking of Nintendo, sure.
If that is what sells, then the market has spoken. I get the sense you think you know what people like better than the people themselves.
Vita was a downclocked iPad 3. Sort of like how Switch is a downclocked Shield TV.
Jonneh3003
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This made me stumble into thought, Switch would make a great budget system for developers who don't want to pay the millions of AAA costs to make a game, much like the Vita for many Japanese developers.
We will see, who asked for it, when the Switch gets released. At least Nintendo is sure, that there is market for this concept. And very often people don't know, they want something, until it is available (like the Wii).
But making something many people want and there already some companies providing the need, isn't a good point to enter a market. Like opening another burger restaurant in a city.
Kssio_Aug
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But even when it was released PS4 wasn't there either.
And Nintendo "home gaming system" is just a parcel of what Switch really is (a hybrid console, both home and handheld). Yeah, I know they tell us in the NoA web-site that it is a home console, but their reveal trailer says otherwise (and as some already stated, the japanese web-site takes a different approach since handhelds are more popular there).
sir_bumble_bee
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I've been curious about that rumor. If From Software had to go through a lot to have it at "acceptable" performance, why would they do it without (at the time) committing to a release?
Suburban Thug
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No they are not. Nintendo is marketing a hybrid so it's not unreasonable to expect it to at least match the three year old tech of their competitors which wasn't even cutting edge when launched in 2013.
EDIT: The official Nintendo Switch website straight up says "First look at Nintendo's new home gaming system" yet you still believe it should be held to a lower standard for some reason.
http://www.nintendo.com/switch/
That would be great indeed.
And to mention PC, (but not for comparing !), it is what happened: framerate locks are heavily criticized and the PC community managed to make devs focus on optimization.
Wouldn't that be cool if 60fps was the targetted framerate and 30fps wasn't the norm ?
Jonneh3003
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I think developers know more about making games than we do.
It's pretty damn clear that gamers enjoy smooth framerates more than flashy visuals, but maybe I'm wrong though and you like your games to be amazingly beautiful interactive powerpoint presentations.
It's not "what sells", it's what's marketable.
Kssio_Aug
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It is quite unreasonable to expect a PS4 that could be played (without streamming) on the go without much visual / performance loss and a reasonable price, if you ask me.
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