Digital Foundry vs Metro Redux

ps4 = 400$, psn = 50$ a year so that's 350$

With 750$ I can find you a pc that shits on a ps4, you get your games cheaper AND you get a better gaming experience.

Haven't played the Metro games but do they have an online mode? because if not the cost of PSN is a redundant point in this thread
 
And Plus give you a lot of free game per year.

There are advantages and disadvantages in both sides... you need to constant upgrade your PC too... most people spend more money per year in gaming PC that most users will spend in a console life.

I don't think any console user will be jealous about PC if their games run at rock solid 1080p@60fps in a $400 machine.

PS + games are not free, the moment you stop paying you can't play em anymore. it's a long time rent. And with humble bundle/steam sale I don't see paying 350$ for 90 games a great deal really when you get this for a fraction of the cost and you get to keep em forever.

The bold part is just not true, miss informed much. Just take a 2006 rig (gt 8800) it still plays games better then the old gen of console. "most people spend more money per year in gaming PC that most users will spend in a console life." If you really think it's true then you are out of touch with reality. There are the enthusiastic that spend a lot, but even on overclock.net where just about anyone is an enthusiastic it's more of an exception then a norm.

The point I was trying to make is that the 400$ machine isn't 400$ and you are done. There is much more to it then that. paying to play online and paying 10--20$ per game is A LOT and none of you seem to take it into consideration when you talk about it.

I don't think any pc user will be jealous about consoles if their games run at rock solid 1080p@60fps 4 years ago.
 
I don't know what is more sad...JAYSIMPLE now playing the "it's all about the gameplay" card when he said that he won't buy DC because of the jaggies and the side track textures that felt off or you digging at this guy's post history to find this post from 3 months ago?

You do know which one you find saddest, Feindflug, and it's the one that perhaps says something good about Sony.

See! I remembered your post history without even searching!

You don't need to dig if the poster has said something memorably stupid, but it's always good to check your source just in case it's wrong before accusing somebody, I feel. I'm confident I'm remembering your post history correctly though. As you were, soldier.
 
60 fps that is great news.

To the people complaining about the 12p increase...yeah it's strange as hell. I think we're safe to assume that pre gpu return the framerate might not have been so locked down. So great work 4a! effing great.

To the people complaining and drawing parallels to Destiny and Diablo? Seriously?

30 fps vs 60fps. There is a huge gulf in power required right there and add to the fact that Destiny isn't really a graphical marvel. That game is definitely done with last gen in mind. No matter what any snake oil salesperson says. Not much to discuss about it, just a fact that it isn't flexing any muscle, fun but not a show horse in anyway.

And Diablo, Consider the fact that Blizzard can get it to run on potato powered laptop the shame would be on them if they couldn't get it to run at 60fps/1080p or it would just show that they really didn't care about the consoles compared to their PC offering. Which is true. get your act together on WoW Blizzard, people leave when the content in low and suddenly come back when there is new, see the correlation?

And y2kev I think what you're looking for is dyscalculia.

EDIT: At work so thread kinda jumped a few pages before reply but anyway:

I don't know what is more sad...JAYSIMPLE now playing the "it's all about the gameplay" card when he said that he won't buy DC because of the jaggies and the side track textures that felt off or you digging at this guy's post history to find this post from 3 months ago?

Offtopic: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=89596554&postcount=1654

3 months is nothing.
 
4A used the June XDK update just to reach 912p. I think that's as far as it will go for the XB1 for Metro Redux. All in all though, I'm glad they managed to hit a rock solid 60FPS.

Great job 4A! :)


Keep in mind that other 60fps XBO games have had to resort to 720p in order to hit that coveted framerate. 900p/60 is pretty awesome considering the engine and LOD.
 
Let's not draw comparisons to the open market ownership (you know, humble, digital store seasonal sales, competition) to closed market incentivization.



Enjoy the "rock solid" (lol) 60 frames on all your games. I'll be spending 1200 per year upgrading my GPU (LOL what in the flying fuck... I haven't upgraded most of my PCs since early 2012 and they still outperform these consoles handily).

Perhaps we should follow what digital foundry said instead of the same tired (and wrong) arguments:

If you want the premier visual experience, it is still PC. Even in this case. If you don't mind some downgrades, then both of these versions will provide you with a decent experience for these titles.

This cheap "PCs are superior then consoles hands down" talk give me nausea! If consoles sell what they sell its not because there are millions of dumb people that buy them and you are part of a smart minority, its because there are people that prefer to play on consoles. Period! On consoles developers push the limits of the hardware in a way that they almost never do on PC! Also consoles may have expensive digital content but they're adjusting to the market with some signature options, and on a future I'm sure it will be more balanced (and on Amazon games get cheaper really fast btw).
 
Nice! In played an hour or two of the first game on PC, but I couldn't get a great frame rate on my rig.

Loving the idea of playing this at 60 on PS4.

More 60fps please!
 
4A showing other devs how it's done, this remaster is truly justified.

Yep, great remaster, great price. I have one of these games with PS+, and I'm pretty sure I bought them on Steam as well (and never played any of them) but I preordered this from VG+ when I first heard it was 1080/60, and a significant upgrade from PS3.
 
This cheap "PCs are superior then consoles hands down" talk give me nausea! If consoles sell what they sell its not because there are millions of dumb people that buy them and you are part of a smart minority, its because there are people that prefer to play on consoles. Period! On consoles developers push the limits of the hardware in a way that they almost never do on PC! Also consoles may have expensive digital content but they're adjusting to the market with some signature options, and on a future I'm sure it will be more balanced (and on Amazon games get cheaper really fast btw).


Exactly, the PC can be superior but at the end of the day I'll never be able to play TLOU, UC4, Bloodborne, GT, and GOW (not to mention all the other Sony exclusives) on PC so it's a moot point for me. My PC is alright but probably couldn't run Metro at a constant, solid 60 FPS.
 
4A did it again, those dudes work under horrible condition and pull of what no other developer can. 60 fps and 1080p on PS4.
I commend them for the great work, but "no other" is a bit of a stretch. I feel like about 80% of games I own on PS4 are either 60FPS or at least 35-45FPS affair like Infamous (usually justified by the game looking freaking amazing).
 
I genuinely want to know how the fuck they have managed to achieve a solid 60fps with this game on these consoles. The graphics look way too good to be able to do so. I'm really impressed.


Talented devs with time and money can code to the metals strengths. Really as simple as that.

These conses make simple ports rather easy (generation comparatively), so you'll always have some devs with a cost/benefit saying "good enough" while others dive into the code and put out something special
 
It's pretty clear you're using this thread to make yourself feel better about your console purchase. Don't worry, you're Xbox One was worth it.


I've had a ps4 since day one man. I'm online right now playing the last of us. It's one of my favourite games of all time. Your comment is extremely wrong. In my personal opinion ms gas a great year this year and Sony is letting me have a game that was supposed to be out at launch (driveclub) and an up ressed ps3 game for my entire Xmas exclusive. Don't get me started on little big planet 3. I just get wound up at people attacking the one because of its resolution. Like that makes a game great or not, or more importantly less fun. A 900p game just won the siggraph graphics award. One if my other favourite games ever was pretty much og xbox resolution on a 360. I'm derailing the thread. I look forward to all the classic games that might not get sequels because people shit on them before launch about resolution, for the game to ultimately be fantastic. I am majorly salty over the hate Alan wake got. I'd never seen anything like it. People taking pictures of a tractors texture that's in a huge open field to rag on the power of the 360. It's a strange world.

Sorry back on topic. I think it will look amazing on both machines if it keeps that butter locked 60.
 
First game I'm buying when I pick up my white PS4 next month.
In the past, I've already bought Metro on:

Originally PC
Last Light on PS3
And now this on PS4

....and I've never actually beaten any of them, lol

Love supporting these guys anyway :)
 
Man if the only difference this gen is going to be 1080p vs 900p then I don't think the xbox one has anything to worry about, and it was seriously put down on here. The performance difference may have been drastically exhagerated in real world performance.

I would put money that the average user could not notice the difference between the resolutions of 1080p and 912p (lol)

Agreed,a mate of mine has just put his PS4 up for sale after buying an Xbone. He even asked me what res BF4 ran at on both,to which I don't know on Xbone.
 
Nice solid framerate. That, coupled with the fact I was never able to play 2033, may cause me to buy this for ps4.
 
Agreed,a mate of mine has just put his PS4 up for sale after buying an Xbone. He even asked me what res BF4 ran at on both,to which I don't know on Xbone.

XB1 BF4 is 720p @ 60fps
PS4 BF4 is 900p @ 60fps

I think it's one of only 3 titles that aren't 1080p on PS4 (UFC and Watch Dogs being the others, both run at 900 as well).
 
What is the topic again junior?

"Digital Foundry vs Metro Redux"

and guess what.... Metro Redux is coming to PC as well.

1. That is such an ass response.

2. the PC version hasn't been compared yet. So any comparison now is moot. They can Ubisoft the PC version and gone is all the fun, not hoping for it since it'll be where I play it(and hopefully finish it this time around)

3. My penis is way bigger than everyone else.
 
I hope so, $60 for a one game remaster is bs... Also we don't get cheaper prices for digital games

I've seen Tomb Raider DE hit $30 digitally and in retail. Actually retail as low as $20 if you go used.
Like anything else, it's going to take time, but it will come.
 
ps4 = 400$, psn = 50$ a year so that's 350$.

Those seven years of PS+ at $350 also equate to 504 games to play for free, some of which are on multiple formats, so the number gets even larger! Thanks for pointing out what a super deal that is!
 
You are doing the same thing only to draw a positive conclusion. You are selectively stating that ONLY the SDK allowed Destiny to go to 900p to 1080p when we know MS engineers were sent onsite to aid. It could have been a combination of factors that allowed Destiny to hit 1080p IQ not exempted.

This game however looks like a solid port at a proper day one price.

Didn't diablo go to 1080 from 900 as well? I real means more toward being positive than negative anyway because it is an INCREASE of resources and libraries.
 
XB1 BF4 is 720p @ 60fps
PS4 BF4 is 900p @ 60fps

I think it's one of only 3 titles that aren't 1080p on PS4 (UFC and Watch Dogs being the others, both run at 900 as well).

Thanks,will see what he thinks to that seeing as he's already ordered the Xbone version and had the PS4 version...
 
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Lmao that is amazing!
 
Thanks,will see what he thinks to that seeing as he's already ordered the Xbone version and had the PS4 version...
I guess he will noticed the 60fps is not 60fps.... even more in the case of Xbone version... the difference in aliasing is clear too.

Both are blurry due low resolutions.
 
Mad respect for this studio. No bs, no targets, no graphical slight of hand. Just hard work and an ability to release what they announced. Day one for that, good job guys.
 
You do know which one you find saddest, Feindflug, and it's the one that perhaps says something good about Sony.

See! I remembered your post history without even searching!

You don't need to dig if the poster has said something memorably stupid, but it's always good to check your source just in case it's wrong before accusing somebody, I feel. I'm confident I'm remembering your post history correctly though. As you were, soldier.

You of all the people are calling me a "soldier" plus I also said "memorably stupid" things? lol.

Also don't forget to keep your "sources" updated, in war being prepared is important!
 
At least the XB1 version maintains 60fps also, and 1620x912 is much better than 1280x720 -- and especially last gen's sub-720p resolutions. Great work, 4A! I'll be going with PS4 version. :)

No surprise PC vs console talk has come up in here. Oy vey.
 
I had been thinking about waiting for a price drop on this but the more I read the more it looks like it's worth it to get at launch.

From the other video the graphical update (compared to the last gen console version) looks really big and it seems like Metro 2033 in particular got a ton of gameplay updates.
Plus it's nice seeing a developer promising 60fps and actually delivering locked 60fps.


PS: I don't get the console vs pc argument. Yeah Pc will allways have better hardware and of course Metro redux will be better on Pc if you have a powerful enough PC (I mean, it even supports 4K).
Still, for us people that preffer to play on console it's a nice update in both graphics and gameplay. Metro 2033 in particular seems to be a massive upgrade even compared to the original PC version (not in terms of graphics but in terms of gameplay).
 
I never thought that the Metro games would be 60fps if they came to the new consoles. The fact that they did it and did it so well speaks volumes to 4A's programing talent. These games could very well be the most impressive games on these systems for a while.
 
PS: I don't get the console vs pc argument. Yeah Pc will allways have better hardware and of course Metro redux will be better on Pc if you have a powerful enough PC (I mean, it even supports 4K).
Still, for us people that preffer to play on console it's a nice update in both graphics and gameplay. Metro 2033 in particular seems to be a massive upgrade even compared to the original PC version (not in terms of graphics but in terms of gameplay).
More importantly, it's about as good as it needs to be on TVs that practically everyone has. 1080p/60 is where the TVs max out, assuming they've achieved a good image quality too. Of course if someone has a 4K TV, they'll think otherwise, but most people won't have that for many years from now.
 
I never thought that the Metro games would be 60fps if they came to the new consoles. The fact that they did it and did it so well speaks volumes to 4A's programing talent. These games could very well be the most impressive games on these systems for a while.

I agree completely, I still think Last Light on PC is one of the best looking games out there right now.
 
Every locked 60fps game on consoles should be celebrated, I applaud the developers. Already played 2033 and liked it a lot, will probably pick this up on PC later. Seems they put more effort into it than your usual remaster.

And yes, I really expected this to be 30 on consoles. Impressive!
 
That framerate is fantastic and the visual overhaul for 2033 looks awesome.

So looking forward to playing both of these games again.
It's been a long time since I've played 2033.
 
First game I'm buying when I pick up my white PS4 next month.
In the past, I've already bought Metro on:

Originally PC
Last Light on PS3
And now this on PS4

....and I've never actually beaten any of them, lol

Love supporting these guys anyway :)

Same, have 2033 on PC and LL on both PS3 (free PS+ game) and PC, and I'm buying both for PS4 again. Hopefully this time I'll beat both the games.

To the guy above pointing out $50 PS+ price, yeah Metro LL was given away for free at one point.
 
Ok, this looks like a big enough deal that I'll pick this up in a day or two, I need something new(ish) to play anyway. Hopefully it doesn't murder my 760 too badly.
 
Selectively choosing facts to draw a negative conclusion. Destiny went from 900p to 1080p from the June SDK improvements.

Yet Metro comes along and they mention the SDK allowed them to go from 900p to 912p and the poster infers negativity.
The poster has no idea if other changed occurred as well, but weren't mentioned, and the article referenced in the OP suggests as much.

You are also being selective, making it seem like the SDK update is more effective than it really is. Bungie specifically said they got help from Microsoft engineers, it wasn't solely a 10% boost to get 1080p.
 
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