There's no way they won't show Scorpio footage on stage.I've been thinking about how Microsoft really hit things out of the park with this initial "reveal" lately. It was really smart of them to let Digital Foundry do the talking with first-hand information rather than leaks.
I'm really curious to see how they'll handle Scorpio's presence at E3 now. Sony already proved that doing a 1080p livestream isn't the best option to try showing off 4K content. Anyone have ideas for what they might do?
I'm kind of expecting them to only show Xbox One S footage on stage. They can then just mention a few ways that Scorpio can improve each game and point people towards the Scorpio version footage on Youtube etc...
There's no way they won't show Scorpio footage on stage.
There's no way they won't show Scorpio footage on stage.
I fully suspect just about all gameplay footage we see will be running on Scorpio.
I imagine they'll clarify that it's running on Scorpio, or there'll be a footer disclaimer on the video, etc. For how proud they are of this thing, they're definitely going to show it off.Yeah... I have a sinking feeling that this is the approach they'll take. Personally, I think that would be a bit misleading for those who don't plan to buy-in with Scorpio. I suppose we'll see though!
I imagine they'll clarify that it's running on Scorpio, or there'll be a footer disclaimer on the video, etc. For how proud they are of this thing, they're definitely going to show it off.
I don't know of if I'd say it's misleading, though. They've been quite clear thus far about the difference in power between the Scorpio and OG XBO - I don't see that changing.
I guess my thoughts on this are up in the air as I don't yet feel I know who they want to sell this to. I think the final pricing will really show whether they want this to appeal only to enthusiasts (Anything over $399 as the "base" model IMO), or if they plan for Scorpio to be the next iterative step for Xbox (Pricing at $399). If it's the latter, I'd expect them to do exactly as you said and give us mainly Scorpio footage. If it's the former I can see them focusing on Xbox One S with side-notes about Scorpio.
I imagine they'll clarify that it's running on Scorpio, or there'll be a footer disclaimer on the video, etc. For how proud they are of this thing, they're definitely going to show it off.
I don't know of if I'd say it's misleading, though. They've been quite clear thus far about the difference in power between the Scorpio and OG XBO - I don't see that changing.
Then why are you in this thread? This is why these threads become dumpster fires; it's because people with no interest in the actual topic come in and shit on it because it's not aligned with their platform of choice or their game franchise of choice, etc. If you are a Sony person and have no interest in Xbox that is fine, but then stop waisting time in these threads.
While I like the idea of this board being broad and inclusive of all consoles, I sometimes also wish GAF had dedicated boards to specific consoles where the melodramatic bullshit that happens in pretty much every thread like this wouldn't be tolerated.
I agree with that, but I disagree with your approach of telling hurt platform warriors "don't worry, your favorite platform is still cool, everything will be alright." Coddling them isn't going to have any sort of meaningful result. I am a strong believer in telling the truth and letting the facts speak for themselves. We shouldn't mince words just because a platform warrior's feelings might be hurt or the hype train might be derailed. To that effect, here are some facts about Scorpio as I perceive them based on all available information.
Scorpio will be the most powerful console in the market when it is released and it will have a commanding lead in performance over the PS4 Pro. Multiplatform games will most likely look and probably run noticeably better on Scorpio compared to the PS4 Pro.
Scorpio's Jaguar CPU, evolved or not, will significantly limit the console's ability to provide any meaningful framerate boost over the PS4 Pro or even the Xbox One in games that run at 30 fps. Don't expect multiplatform games that run at 30 fps on Pro to run at 60 fps on Scorpio. It's not going to happen.
Scorpio will perform in the same ballpark as similar PC hardware. It will not magically punch way above its weight or compete with $500 GPUs.
I'm really glad they're going this route to reveal more, and ultimately, everything.
Well that's all obvious, i was also being semi facetious with that comment btw
You'd think it would all be obvious but if you read through the thread you will quickly realize it's not the case. Many here believe what they want to believe.
So they get embarrassed? Who cares? There's some good information in these threads, I just skip over the posts by the usual suspects, it's usually the same group anyway.That's what i'm irritated about. Scorpio is what it is, and being obtuse about the result are not gonna change a thing except embarrass those people
There will almost undoubtedly be a "all gameplay footage you see here is running on Scorpio hardware"I fully suspect just about all gameplay footage we see will be running on Scorpio.
Uh are you new here?
Because someone is, by your words a "Sony person", they can't comment on topics not directly pertaining to anything but PS4?
Makes no sense. That's what sites like GameFaq's are for, complete nonsense. The mods here can moderate anything they feel is inappropriate.
Let me be clear, I am not expecting games to run at 20fps due to forced 16xAF. What I was saying is that 16xAF isn't free, so mandating it takes a modicum of balance control out of developers' hands. That doesn't sound ideal to me, but maybe they'll all be able to work around it. I'm not as smart as they are.worrying about performance problems because of af16 is FUD.
I do think lighting will be better designed in GTS, but the Scorpio power gap is big enough that overall appearance quality is very likely to be higher with Forza.I'm not even sure Forza 7 Scorpio will look much better than PS4 GTsport to be honest. GT games' lighting just makes them luck better than their, sometimes, more technically advanced Forza competitors.
All this sounds eminently reasonable. The only thing I might quibble with is the statement that multiplats will probably run better on Scorpio than Pro. This should apply to unpatched games, but titles with official Pro support typically have very stable framerates. Since the CPU will limit instances of framerate doubling, the extra Scorpio power won't have a lot of leeway to make fps improvements. I expect visual quality is where the gap will be more notable.Scorpio will be the most powerful console in the market when it is released and it will have a commanding lead in performance over the PS4 Pro. Multiplatform games will most likely look and probably run noticeably better on Scorpio compared to the PS4 Pro.
Scorpio's Jaguar CPU, evolved or not, will significantly limit the console's ability to provide any meaningful framerate boost over the PS4 Pro or even the Xbox One in games that run at 30 fps....
Scorpio will perform in the same ballpark as similar PC hardware. It will not magically punch way above its weight or compete with $500 GPUs.
Some titles might be scaled back, but this seems to be equivalent to official support (i.e. examining the specific software and tailoring the upgrade). Mr. Leadbetter clearly said the worst case would be no changes at all, and I don't think we know enough to assume that will never happen. We actually know very little about this approach. For example, examining every game individually to adapt the boost will surely take Microsoft some time. How will the games run before profiling is done? Boosted but with problems, or unboosted?DF said Microsoft was gonna fine-tune the titles iirc, probably disabling the additional AF/Vsync option when needed. We don't know how sophisticated this will be, but I think it's safe to assume there won't be any games that end up running like they did on the Pro without Boost mode.
Is this supposed to come out tomorrow? Or at least the next bit of info on Scorpio?this will be interesting - so they had some hands on with the scorpio and will tell me what they think?
cant wait to see more perspectives on this
MS, you got my money. Congratulations. For the first time in my life, I am excited for a current Xbox product.
Nice. Sucks there aren't any monitors or TV's that can use it currently though.
Nice. Sucks there aren't any monitors or TV's that can use it currently though.
I've been thinking about how Microsoft really hit things out of the park with this initial "reveal" lately. It was really smart of them to let Digital Foundry do the talking with first-hand information rather than leaks.
I'm really curious to see how they'll handle Scorpio's presence at E3 now. Sony already proved that doing a 1080p livestream isn't the best option to try showing off 4K content. Anyone have ideas for what they might do?
I'm kind of expecting them to only show Xbox One S footage on stage. They can then just mention a few ways that Scorpio can improve each game and point people towards the Scorpio version footage on Youtube etc...
MS, you got my money. Congratulations. For the first time in my life, I am excited for a current Xbox product.
Is this a surprise to people?
I posted in a different thread that a dedicated event is all but guaranteed. I think Jez is also very confident in a dedicated event happening.
Let me be clear, I am not expecting games to run at 20fps due to forced 16xAF. What I was saying is that 16xAF isn't free, so mandating it takes a modicum of balance control out of developers' hands. That doesn't sound ideal to me, but maybe they'll all be able to work around it. I'm not as smart as they are.
I do think lighting will be better designed in GTS, but the Scorpio power gap is big enough that overall appearance quality is very likely to be higher with Forza.
All this sounds eminently reasonable. The only thing I might quibble with is the statement that multiplats will probably run better on Scorpio than Pro. This should apply to unpatched games, but titles with official Pro support typically have very stable framerates. Since the CPU will limit instances of framerate doubling, the extra Scorpio power won't have a lot of leeway to make fps improvements. I expect visual quality is where the gap will be more notable.
Some titles might be scaled back, but this seems to be equivalent to official support (i.e. examining the specific software and tailoring the upgrade). Mr. Leadbetter clearly said the worst case would be no changes at all, and I don't think we know enough to assume that will never happen. We actually know very little about this approach. For example, examining every game individually to adapt the boost will surely take Microsoft some time. How will the games run before profiling is done? Boosted but with problems, or unboosted?
Is this a surprise to people?
I posted in a different thread that a dedicated event is all but guaranteed. I think Jez is also very confident in a dedicated event happening.
Article says "slight change" tho.
I dont know. I think it was a mistake first to do one because there isnt much to say for a show. And now with stuff already out with DF and other sites. The chance is even less imo,
What are they gonna show? Price and the console. And thats it really.
Maybe I misunderstood the DF reveal, but I thought the AF16 was something the hardware was going automatically? Basically coming at no cost to devs?
But again, maybe I misunderstood.
Well, it could easily be "no cost to the devs" in the sense that they won't suddenly get resources taken away from them, they'd be reserved from the start. It's just not "no cost to anyone"--it'll take some resources, no matter how efficient--so I wondered if it might be better to allow the devs to choose, rather than forcing it. But this...Maybe I misunderstood the DF reveal, but I thought the AF16 was something the hardware was going automatically? Basically coming at no cost to devs?
But again, maybe I misunderstood.
...would eliminate the problem. If it's only automatic for unpatched and legacy titles, that should be great across the board; they all obviously have plenty of room to spare on Scorpio. I was referring to new games, but it didn't occur to me that Digital Foundry didn't explicitly include those.I think this is automatic at a system level only for BC and unpatched XB1 games. 16xAF will be an developer choice for games designed with Scorpio in mind, I assume.
What if at that event they come out with some more spec surprises.
Phil:
"Well we told you our story with Project Scorpio. We let industry professional tell you our specs and technical achievements in designing Project Scorpio. But, that's not all. *pause* I am proud to announce that our Xbox team has passed another goal and pushed this machine even further." *turns around to look at screen*
*crowd clenches buttocks*
Video:
"We pushed the limits. We put blood, sweat and tears in. This is everything we wanted. this is a beast." a number starts to fade in ... and them BAM *DROPS SOME DUBBYSTEP FUTURE BASS MONTAGE OF THE DESIGN BOX AND A BIG 7TF as a graphic overlay* *rest of specs follow to complete montage about the Scorpio Specs*
Crowd applauds and goes wild! Rick Flair "woos" occur. someone yells " Take my ENERGY!"no one laughs
Phil:
"yes, that's right folks. Project Scorpio is now 7 TERA FLOPS of GPU power along with 326gbps bandwidth and 12Gb of fast GDDR5 Ram. Also including a 1tb ssd HDD and HDMI 2.1 that will allow Freesync and Variable Refresh Rate for the future ahead."
"Here at Xbox we listened to the community and we wanted to deliver to both the community and our developers who want to share their vision of their games. so under your seat you will have a surprise! EVERYONE GETS A FREEHDMI CABLE to support HDMI 2.1 and a xbox store code to download a Scorpio t-shirt for your avatar!
wouldn't that be bonkers?
I think a more formal reveal is still needed. The majority of the hardcore gamers (people like us that read and post on Gaf) know about the specs, but the casual/slight hard core and casuals will not and even if they read the specs would not really understand fully. An event prior to E3 would be targeted to those people and also to the hardcore that want to see the receipts (actual game play). It would be wise that even though if they do a reveal that they give the direct feed footage to places like DF to run the numbers.
It is one thing Phil standing on a stage telling people it is 4k/60 or 4k/30 with added this and added that, but on stream it would be hard to see, so direct footage and web sites running analysis on the stuff would be great.
That's a really good point I can see MS providing a lot of direct feed material to really showcase the graphics. That's something that would be amazing to have for every title shown at E3
What if at that event they come out with some more spec surprises.
Phil:
"Well we told you our story with Project Scorpio. We let industry professional tell you our specs and technical achievements in designing Project Scorpio. But, that's not all. *pause* I am proud to announce that our Xbox team has passed another goal and pushed this machine even further." *turns around to look at screen*
*crowd clenches buttocks*
Video:
"We pushed the limits. We put blood, sweat and tears in. This is everything we wanted. this is a beast." a number starts to fade in ... and them BAM *DROPS SOME DUBBYSTEP FUTURE BASS MONTAGE OF THE DESIGN BOX AND A BIG 7TF as a graphic overlay* *rest of specs follow to complete montage about the Scorpio Specs*
Crowd applauds and goes wild! Rick Flair "woos" occur. someone yells " Take my ENERGY!"no one laughs
Phil:
"yes, that's right folks. Project Scorpio is now 7 TERA FLOPS of GPU power along with 326gbps bandwidth and 12Gb of fast GDDR5 Ram. Also including a 1tb ssd HDD and HDMI 2.1 that will allow Freesync and Variable Refresh Rate for the future ahead."
"Here at Xbox we listened to the community and we wanted to deliver to both the community and our developers who want to share their vision of their games. so under your seat you will have a surprise! EVERYONE GETS A FREEHDMI CABLE to support HDMI 2.1 and a xbox store code to download a Scorpio t-shirt for your avatar!
wouldn't that be bonkers?
What website is releasing a developers take on Scorpio tomorrow? I read about it at work, but don't recall what web site or what time it will take place at.
What website is releasing a developers take on Scorpio tomorrow? I read about it at work, but don't recall what web site or what time it will take place at.
Thanks everyone. Do we know what time it is being released? My google skills are failing me at the moment.
Gamasutra I believe.. sometime tomorrow.
It's going to be Turn10 isn't it...