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[MaxiLive]

You know what would be shocking to me? If the following series of events played out:

• Phil Spencer goes on stage at E3 2013 and announces that the price of the Xbox One would be $499 and receives the live audience equivilant of a record player scratch stop
• The sales of the Xbox One were so poor due to a number of issues but chief among them the fact that they were priced well above Sony
• Phil Spencer and team choose to remove Kinect in order to sell the Xbox One at the same price as the PS4 and possibly save the Xbox business
• A couple of years go by and they decide to create a new, more powerful console as a pillar for the future of the brand
• During the first step of the design phase, Phil Spencer gets up infront of his design team and says "We need to target a price of.... $499"

The difference this time is they will still have the Xbox One S which will do a good enough job at running all the new releases that come out for the Xbox brand and will be very reasonably priced. May even see an Xbox Scorpio mini released as a refresh and to keep the styling the same.

Then the Scorpio is the premium console for core gamers who want the best gaming experience. The market has been changing over the past few years with more focus on core gamers, premium hardware and e-sports. Rather than motion control, budget hardware and casual market.

 

[Durante]

It's interesting they seemed to have gone with a pretty different architecture compared with the Xbone.

I mean we knew they were forced to if they wanted it future proof, what with the eSRAM workaround in the One being outdated, but it goes a lot further than just that.

That means optimization will cost pubs a lot more than going from PS4 to PS4Pro, and we already saw that a lot of pubs weren't really bothered with that until Sony created the forced boost mode feature.

Why? By any real metric I'd say it's a more mainstream architecture than XB1.
Being the only platform with a user-managed SRAM pool was much more of an optimization liability.

 

[wesleyshark]

Seriously impressive tech happening here. Can't wait.

 

[josecitoxnyo]

That sentence just shows that you do not understand what they did.

It literally proves that you don't actually. What they did is great, but it won't do magic.

 

[VoodooProject]

It can do 4k native 60fps. CONFIRMED

 

[jaypah]

Your not reading my post right, I am saying racing game genre is NOT a good benchmark for gaming power.

Wake me up and lets talk when a console can do Witcher 3 at 60 FPS, thats all I want, looks like we will have to wait until next gen to get 60 FPS gaming on AAA open world games.

Scorpio looks good, but Sony could of dumped at Vortex cooler on the Pro and upped the specs last year, I have 2 Ps4 pro and 1080 vs 4K is nice but I want more frame rate power.

Good job MS but it looks like ZEN is just too big a beast for consoles in 2017

Then get a PC. Next gen you will get more blades of grass and higher textures. Devs don't care much for framerate on consoles, they spend power elsewhere. Console makers don't seem keen on/able to use comparatively fast CPUs.

 

[Proelite]

Hmm, I'll be interested to see if it can match 1070 in performance in new 3rd party games.

 

[shamanick]

The price of 499 or more here in Canada would be a real tough sell with our current economy.

It would be a surprise to me if it was as low as $499 in Canada. PSVR was $550, and I don't think Scorpio will be under $400 USD

 

[mcrommert]

It's interesting they seemed to have gone with a pretty different architecture compared with the Xbone.

I mean we knew they were forced to if they wanted it future proof, what with the eSRAM workaround in the One being outdated, but it goes a lot further than just that.

That means optimization will cost pubs a lot more than going from PS4 to PS4Pro, and we already saw that a lot of pubs weren't really bothered with that until Sony created the forced boost mode feature.

It's impressive technology, but for now I don't really see who buys it except the people who just want bragging rights. Which admittedly is a not negligible part of the gaming community, but still.

I want a pc quality gaming experience on a console... So it's perfect

 

[Baleoce]

The CPU is built with specific optimizations for certain games/engines. So it's awesome that they got it to run so quickly but it might not be representative from what you would see from every game.

That's very true. It will be interesting to see how well a broad range of engines scale initially to 4k on this.

 

[Jumpman23]

any talk of $$$$'s is premature.

but that isn't going to stop anyone. It is the internet after all

Aside from specs and games, price tends to be a huge purchase factor. Expect it to be speculated upon heavily until its revealed officially.

 

[geordiemp]

It's not "just" Jaguar though.

Stop downplaying.

It is Jaguar though, customised or special whatever but its Jaguar, remember recently the customised X1 special for Switch......Heavily customised lol

I just dont think AMD / Nvidia redesign hardware for such things, its massive undertaking, they just use there pre-defined and tested blocks and pull them together IMO.

I bet when the chip images come in the blocks look exactly like Jaguar....

 

[Savantcore]

It's their only real play and they pretty much have to do it at this point. Scorpio trounces the Pro in literally all areas. A $350 Pro vs. a $499 Scorpio this fall? That'd be nothing to sneeze at.

I think 'has to' is a bit negative. Microsoft now have the (much) more powerful console but Sony are still in charge.

Cut the price of the Pro and Slim PS4, make sure the release calendar is still tight, and the sales will keep on trucking on.

 

[Darkstorne]

This ^^

I mean, 6TF is what we expected. I haven't gone through all the info yet but so far, has anything in this reveal been a surprise?

I mean, it's all incredibly impressive, for a current gen console. Like the Pro, it's a great option for console gamers who are looking into 4k. Beyond that, it's still a console, just a very good console.

 

[GinoFelino]

I love digital foundry and their technical expertise, but Leadbetter is foolish for pushing the $499 narrative.

 

[wachie]

It's not "just" Jaguar though.

Stop downplaying.

lol people are so sensitive. You can call it "highly customized super special" cores and they'll still be jaguar.

 

[Sony]

I also wonder why they increased the memory availability for the OS/Dashboard now that Snap/Pip are gone.

 

[tuxfool]

This ^^

I mean, 6TF is what we expected. I haven't gone through all the info yet but so far, has anything in this reveal been a surprise?

I don't understand why people expected some great big reveal here?

Most of this stuff was known and expected. It is nice to have some more detail, but going into this, that is all I expected out of this coverage.

 

[SDCowboy]

I don't get why some are suggesting this is a new console gen for them. Doesn't this still uses Xbox One games as its games? How is this not still a part of the Xbone ecosystem?

 

[killatopak]

Should be interesting seeing the compatibility.

 

[icespide]

I do get the feeling that this will be pricier than folks expected

 

[Kazuo Hirai]

This. A hundred thousand times this.
If the Scorpio is going to be a higher-res Gears,Halo and Forza machine for another gen then I'm 100% out.

When someone post this, I'am very confused.
Why you so confident that...






Gears has a future?

 

[Space_nut]

Digital Foundry

As a result, at a base level, we anticipate third party releases where Scorpio enjoys higher resolutions and more detailed art, but the scale of the difference is something we can't draw definitive conclusions on until we start to see games. The best case scenario for Microsoft is that its CPU and GPU hardware customisation - derived directly from granular analysis of existing game engines - will produce a gulf in results even wider than those seen frequently seen in Xbox One/PS4 cross-platform releases.

Hmm a larger graphical gulp than Xbox One/PS4

Soooooooo goooooood

 

[xCaptainCanadax]

It would be a surprise to me if it was as low as $499 in Canada. PSVR was $550, and I don't think Scorpio will be under $400 USD

Sorry I should have clarified, the price of 499USD. Which is like $670 in CDN

 

[opricnik]

When we will see videos of it please GOD

 

[Garrett Hawke]

That's a massive leap

I wonder how they will approach this.

Come out and say it's a new generation or something who knows.

it's not a generational leap. it is designed to run games at xbox one quality or higher at native 4k.

next gen would hopefully be better than current gen fidelity + native 4k.

 

[x-Lundz-x]

Impressive, still think they would be out of their minds to price it above $399.99

 

[Shifty Capone1]

Please MS have a simaltaneous release with Destiny 2. I am going to be buying it anyway, but that wait while playing on old not very good hardware will be agonizing.

 

[DopeyFish]

lol people are so sensitive. You can call it "highly customized super special" cores and they'll still be jaguar.

reminds me of the OG Xbox arguments

luls it has a celeron

 

[Not Drake]

Yeah but during the same period they will have a console that can play the same games at lower performance for a lower dollar cost to the consumer this means that when it comes time to launch consumers will have the choice of either the premium product or the basic one.

This is like that infamous Mattrick's line lol

Spoiler

you're not wrong though

 

[Samurai G0SU]

Someone break this down for me;

Processing draw calls - effectively telling the graphics hardware what to draw - is one of the most important tasks the CPU carries out. It can suck up a lot of processor resources, a pipeline that traditionally takes thousands - perhaps hundreds of thousands - of CPU instructions. With Scorpio's hardware offload, any draw call can be executed with just 11 instructions, and just nine for a state change.

Wouldn't this mean a lot more than just 'a custom 2.3ghz' cpu?

 

[mocoworm]

Hahaha Thanx for the response bro. Would be a little crazy to love Phil for this
Yeah, its a great console what it seems happy for all you xbox gamers

Thanks, but I am also a PS4, Vita and Nintendo player / owner as well. I don't discriminate.

 

[Broadbandito]

It leaves the Pro in the dust, both power and design-wise.

I mean higher memory bandwidth and more gpu power but the cpu is clocked .2 ghz higher.

 

[SocksAndShoes]

When someone post this, I'am very confused.
Why you so confident that...






Gears has a future?

I really hope it doesn't, unless they have a really interesting idea for Gears 5.

 

[TyrantII]

Forza wasn't even optimised for Scorpio, they hit that in a quick 2 day port lol.

Snake Pass was ported to the Switch in 2 days too.

 

[Okami Haundo]

I also wonder why they increased the memory availability for the OS/Dashboard now that Snap/Pip are gone.

Didn't they say in the article? I thought I saw something about the extra memory being available to push to UI up to 4K. Not sure what that means for 1080p sets though.

 

[Gator86]

It can do 4k native 60fps. CONFIRMED

So can any console technically? It'll be interesting to see what this thing does with real games and 3rd parties in the next few years. Are we going to see 60fps versions of games normally running 30, like random Ubisoft open-world games and such?

 

[vg260]

I've not read all 17 pages of this thread, but am I the only one who thought DF (Leadbetter) was a little too enthusiastic about this reveal?

I mean, I love new hardware, and who doesn't like tech specs, but this particular coverage just seems overly glowing. I'm sure it was a condition of their privileged access, but I'm still taking all this with a large dose of salt.

They're tech geeks, this is the type of analysis they do for a living, and they get to reveal all the tech info first. Why wouldn't they get excited?

 

[digoutyoursoul]

I do get the feeling that this will be pricier than folks expected

£420 here in the U.K. is my bet

 

[Skinny Pete]

Sounds great but gonna come down to games and price for me.

 

[leeh]

Guys & Gals, since the GPU is clocked at a ridiculous rate, this is very good isn't it, as the entire GPU benefits from this and it's not just benefiting from a higher CU count for example?

Or am I completely off the mark?

 

[vivekTO]

I also wonder why they increased the memory availability for the OS/Dashboard now that Snap/Pip are gone.

Dashboard is native 4K now, as they said in the video.

 

[Proelite]

It is Jaguar though, customised or special whatever but its Jaguar, remember recently the customised X1 special for Switch......Heavily customised lol

I just dont think AMD / Nvidia redesign hardware for such things, its massive undertaking, they just use there pre-defined and tested blocks and pull them together IMO.

I bet when the chip images come in the blocks look exactly like Jaguar....

Technically, Jaguars can't hit 2.3 GHz. There is probably some silicon changes.

 

[Duxxy3]

Yeah but during the same period they will have a console that can play the same games at lower performance for a lower dollar cost to the consumer this means that when it comes time to launch consumers will have the choice of either the premium product or the basic one.

If there's (upwards) of a $300 gap between the XB1S and Scorpio, I don't think new owners will even give Scorpio a second look.

$399 should be the target price. It's a year since the PS4 pro launch and the PS4 pro will likely drop $50 or $100.

 

[Palabragrís]

It's a monster of a console (it destroyed both my PC and my PS4 standar in one swing :/), but how much will it cost?

 

[blastprocessor]

Reckon £400 so £50 more than PS4 pro.

 

[The_Dama]

After watching the videos, the Scorpio will cost $499.

 

[WheelHoss1]

Why would they keep talking about it being a "premium" console for OCD gamers who need the absolute best experience (my paraphrase) if it's going to cost the same as every console has for the last ten years?

Get ready for $499, boys . . .

 

[00ich]

Doesn't matter if it's optimised or not, CPU is still doing less even if you optimise it. Like in the video, it's only for DX12 games, which more are these days.

So you are saying future games will run 33% slower on the original Xbox One, because they are all Direct3D 12 now?

Don't get me wrong. It's a great improvement that smaller developers can code according to specs and get good performance on Scorpio, but the 50% figure will not translate into AAA games.

Microsoft pulled that same stunt with draw calls and DirectX 10. That was supposed to reduce draw call overhead and did it technically, but everyone on Direct 9 had already coded around the DX9 API limitations.

 

[paragonpro]

It can do 4k native 60fps. CONFIRMED

Eh well see, itd be nice, and this thing seems
Powerful, but there are pc's that struggle to reach 4k 60 without the current highest end part, and this thing wont touch
What a 1080 ti is doing. I think 1080p 60 on a lot of titles is
More likely with the option to go up to 2160 native at the cost of a cut in half frame rate. The reason turn ten can achieve it is because there games and engine scale extremely well and it being a racing game means you are in a
Much more controlled enviroment than say your typical open world.