Wait, I guess the GPU improvements don't reach the targeted 6TFlops then?
The memory increase is very much welcome, though. Don't know why Sony thought keeping the same 8GB was a good idea.
Important to note that Forza 6 4k demo is not only running it at 60fps, but at a GPU load range of anything between 50-70%. That's crazy for something that was ported in 2 days with almost no optimisation other than art assets. There's so much headway for those devs to play with, assuming other game engines scale similarly.
So the extra power and optimization is all for naught and no improvements will be seen?
Might as well just scrap it then, such a horrible design and all. I'll just go build a PC and ascend to the land of the master race just to be sure. It's the only way.
Someone explain to me: why do the specs mean $399?
It looks pretty beefy and premium.
You know what would be shocking to me? If the following series of events played out:
- Phil Spencer goes on stage at E3 2013 and announces that the price of the Xbox One would be $499 and receives the live audience equivilant of a record player scratch stop
- The sales of the Xbox One were so poor due to a number of issues but chief among them the fact that they were priced well above Sony
- Phil Spencer and team choose to remove Kinect in order to sell the Xbox One at the same price as the PS4 and possibly save the Xbox business
- A couple of years go by and they decide to create a new, more powerful console as a pillar for the future of the brand
- During the first step of the design phase, Phil Spencer gets up infront of his design team and says "We need to target a price of.... $499"
The demise of the x1 was a combination of things really.. At launch it had terrible PR .. TV TV TV on top of always on and built in Kinect... Then over time it was never at parity with the PS4 with Specs / resolution.. so from a multi platform perspective it wasnt on par in some cases. I believe that damaged the brand and pushed traditional Xbox user (from the 360)s off their ecosystem on to the Sony platform. What incentive does someone have now to move off the PS4 for the Scorpio when they can move to the Ps4 Pro with roughly the same graphic fidelity? Are graphics going to be enough?
MSFT killed Halo (pushed Bungie out), Gears of War isnt fresh.. Fable is MIA... Forza has never really been a huge selling point. Titanfall fell flat and is multi platform now.. Sunset Overdrive never really became a recurring franchise. Time exclusives don't really matter much anymore so im wondering what MSFT thinks is going to sell the Scorpio.. because it is going to be 500 bux at the bare min?
The "not that powerful" posts come from people who expected a generational leap and all new hardware inc. new AMD CPU architecture"Man this thing isn't that powerful"
"It'll be $499 or more"
Lol. So which is it?
Oh I'm not criticizing the CPU. It was the only logical choice for the system, and really the only option MS had was to upclock the Jag and put in some extras to help. There is nothing wrong with what they did.I'd guess from their perspective actually putting a more capable CPU would be wasteful. It does have to maintain compatibility with the old Xb1, so it isn't like they would be expecting games to evolve to use the extra CPU power.
Is the gpu stronger than a 1070?
I'm steel leery about it being able to do 4K. All we got here was a screenshot of Forza 3 saying it was 4k.. and by the way he was wording it didn't' sound like it was native 4K but some upconversion taking place?
Even if Forza 3 gets up to 4K I'm doubtful majority of games will be able to pump at at that resolution.
I mean, a 980ti at the minimum, and a 1080ti to be happy, with everything maxed is what's going to get you 4K these days and both those cards cost more than the whole system alone..
Thinking about it a little longer, DX12 had already reduced CPU-GPU batch submission overhead by near 10fold over DX11. So while "halving the CPU load" of DX12 sounds impressive - what total percentages are we talking about though? Going from 10% CPU load to 5? DX12 overhead already was much smaller than high level APIs before it. Reducing DX12 load by 50% != freeing half the CPU.
Needs more than marketingspeak to know.
They already had the Xbox One Elite.
"Man this thing isn't that powerful"
"It'll be $499 or more"
Lol. So which is it?
So it's exactly what we basically knew since last year.
Which is an incremental improvement on PS4 Pro, which is an incremental improvement on PS4.
Exciting.
This feels positive? YikesWould you have thought in 2013 that there is ever gonna be a positive MS related thread again? I wouldn't, but here it is, it is real...everything.
the cooler, that's about it.This ^^
I mean, 6TF is what we expected. I haven't gone through all the info yet but so far, has anything in this reveal been a surprise?
So....it's just more muscle, then, yeah? Nothing on a game variety strategy moving forward?
any talk of $$$$'s is premature.
but that isn't going to stop anyone. It is the internet after all
Sony will almost certainly cut the price of the PS4 Pro before Scorpio is released, regardless of the price point Microsoft releases Scorpio at.
LOL what....
The GPU alone is at least 40% faster.
Nice hardware , now MS needs new great IP. People is tired of Halos and Gears games.
You know what would be shocking to me? If the following series of events played out:
- Phil Spencer goes on stage at E3 2013 and announces that the price of the Xbox One would be $499 and receives the live audience equivilant of a record player scratch stop
- The sales of the Xbox One were so poor due to a number of issues but chief among them the fact that they were priced well above Sony
- Phil Spencer and team choose to remove Kinect in order to sell the Xbox One at the same price as the PS4 and possibly save the Xbox business
- A couple of years go by and they decide to create a new, more powerful console as a pillar for the future of the brand
- During the first step of the design phase, Phil Spencer gets up infront of his design team and says "We need to target a price of.... $499"
HDMI 2.1 this is amazing actually. It supports freesync
I wasn't expecting anything, and I am very interested in this console now.
So i don't have to read through 30 something pages, whats the general reaction here? Are people liking this? Is it blowing the ps4 pro away?
I've not read all 17 pages of this thread, but am I the only one who thought DF (Leadbetter) was a little too enthusiastic about this reveal?
I mean, I love new hardware, and who doesn't like tech specs, but this particular coverage just seems overly glowing. I'm sure it was a condition of their privileged access, but I'm still taking all this with a large dose of salt.
I'm a huge ms fan , and I love these specs should future proof it for a few more years.
That said Its still years away for me , I am over halo , I was never a big forza guy and the new gears bored me to death .
With no fable I am wondering what else is in the horizon, so I will wait to see games .
Thankfully I was a big fan of there new ip this gen (ryse, recore , sunset , quantum break) . Sadly none of those will probably return but hopefully they are continuing to cook up new ips.
It's not "just jaguar". It's based on it with a lot of customization. So ignore people that try to act like it's the exact same CPU.
Watch the videos.
I've not read all 17 pages of this thread, but am I the only one who thought DF (Leadbetter) was a little too enthusiastic about this reveal?
I mean, I love new hardware, and who doesn't like tech specs, but this particular coverage just seems overly glowing. I'm sure it was a condition of their privileged access, but I'm still taking all this with a large dose of salt.
Is it as strong as a 1060GTX is what i'd be asking.