neoism
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well I never had one problem with them....they could have been better designed though... still fucking love that game .... more than most MGS games too.
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Dishonored |OT| The belle of the ball
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well I never had one problem with them....they could have been better designed though... still fucking love that game .... more than most MGS games too.
You guys put him in the right dumpster, right? It has to be the specific one the marker leads you to. Once you toss him in it the game will display the "Target Saved" portrait of Curnow if you did it correctly...
Weird, don't you get a prompt that you saved him? I've done this about 4 times and it worked everytime.
Duxxy3
Member
I just hit him with a sleep dart and move him to the "safe location" on the map.
Dyni Crippler
Member
I think they only influence the Chaos meter.
Every stealth game is easy, even Thief. It's the nature of the beast; enemies just follow an easily-exploitable pattern. The most it ever requires out of the player is a modicum of patience. Thief 1 & 2 are awesome but I wouldn't say stealth difficulty had much to do with it, though I did appreciate that the higher difficulties had different objectives and placed more limitations on the player. Wish Dishonored had done something similar to that, or something like Hitman where they limit savescumming.
In a game like this I prefer varying things up with all the tools at your disposal and mix-and-match, since that's what I find more interesting. Yes, you can get through the entire game basically doing one or two things the entire time, but then that also describes games like System Shock 2.
I'm starting to slowly slide in the direction of the negative people here the more I play. It's definitely a good game but it's more like a good game for modern standards, much like Human Revolution was and not something that can compare favorably with the classics. It's just a bit too streamlined to be near that level.
It's a shame that games have to be like that 10+ years later when we should be progressing as an industry.
It's a shame that games have to be like that 10+ years later when we should be progressing as an industry.
Ah, I have objective markers off. Game design has really taken a dive off the deep end when it comes to providing the player information in believable ways.
Edit: See original Deus Ex for an example of this done right.
IOnEI Falcon
Member
Yeah, it has been confirmed by a couple other people that it also happened to.
Dyni Crippler
Member
Yes, I agree, that was dumb as hell. I made a very satysfing escape before realizing that hiding him in a dark corner isn't enough.
I will say that my heart sank a bit when I saw this:
But I blame that more on the modern gamer than I do Arkane. The Dark Souls easy mode thread was an eye-opener.
Are you frustrated with people who have mission markers off, or with the game design for failing to communicate anything except with mission markers?
If it's the latter, I heartily agree. So many games market being open and discovery based, but are impossible to play without giant glowing arrows to completely break the experience.
phantomspiker
Member
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Wow, I never got that pop-up. Maybe it's disabled on higher difficulties?
Rickenslacker
Banned
You have to have tutorial prompts enabled in the options to see it.
Deified Data
Banned
It's one tutorial message. It's not like they shove them in your face every time you need to solve a problem. You can turn them off, too.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Stop reading Confidence Man's posts and just enjoy the damn game Derrick!
That lone tutorial message is telling enough. They don't trust a lot of gamers to be able to decipher that sort of thing on their own, and frankly, I don't blame them at all.
I'm not criticizing Arkane for it. I'm just saying that's the state of things.
-BLITZ-
Member
Yeap, just
crouch for stealth, go to the balcony, use blink to get just behind them, were two survivors walk around the street, grab the guy from your left since he is the one that is further from them, but be aware since the thug at the door sometimes can catch you because he turns around a bit, also you can use slow time for additional stealth, drop the thug you grabbed and then use sleep dart for the door thug and grab the other one from the right.
Well at least this is how I've done it.
Yea I had to enable the objectives for that.
Don't see how a dumpster is safer than anywhere else.
Deified Data
Banned
It's one message stating to the player "Yeah, it's that kind of game". I think it serves a purpose.
If you got one of these messages for every scenario I'd be with you, but it's just the one.
I have played for 18 hours (No kills/detections so far, all collectibles) and have just reached the
. I'm loving the game so far, but the previous mission (
) was definitely the poorest so far. I found the entire place a pain in the ass to navigate.
Flooded District
Return to the tower
SugarDaddy
Member
I slowed down time, shot two of them with sleeping darts and blink choked out the third.
Uhm. He attacks you dennis.
RadioactiveLobster
Member
Go upstairs, jump out he window and take it from there.
I did, I'm on the 2nd run now. That's usually where I start to see flaws in a shorter, non RPG game. I end up having to separate the classics and these games in my head so I don't end up completely hating them for being dumbed down.
You already get this beforehand, which probably makes that clear enough:
And this:
Don't take this as me disliking the game. I actually quite love it. But this sort of thing is still amusing to me.
Your current mission is worse! I actually liked Return to the Tower.
For people, who have finished, what's your level ranking? Here's mine, top to bottom. Sorry about the naming, I'm acting from memory.
1) House of Luxury/Golden Cat
2) Kaldwin's Bridge
3) The Last Party
4) The First Lord Regent
5) The Second Lord Regent
6) High Overseer
7) The Drowned District
2) Kaldwin's Bridge
3) The Last Party
4) The First Lord Regent
5) The Second Lord Regent
6) High Overseer
7) The Drowned District
Oh child, there is another way.....
IOnEI Falcon
Member
You can also unlock the door, then take the guy on the left, then the guy on the right and since the door is opened, the guy at the door will walk in as soon as you take the guy on the right allowing you to go undetected.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Yep.
I choked out Campbell right before he was gonna kill him after taking him to his grody secret spot. He then noticed me, basically said that he'll forget about seeing me, and ran his ass out of there.
IOnEI Falcon
Member
Yeah! That was my favorite Clean Hands mission.
Dyni Crippler
Member
Oh, come on, that was my favourite one.
1) Drowned District. Huge, explorative and coroned by the greatest moment of the game, the duel with Daud.
2) The Golden Cat. Big!
3) The last level. Also huge, different according to the Chaos status and just well done.
4) The Lady Boyle's party. Fresh, different and funny in many ways.
5) The Overseer. Really well done level, also the one I spent most time in.
6) Sokolov's kidnapping. That's it?
7) Lord Regent's assassin. THAT'S IT?
2) The Golden Cat. Big!
3) The last level. Also huge, different according to the Chaos status and just well done.
4) The Lady Boyle's party. Fresh, different and funny in many ways.
5) The Overseer. Really well done level, also the one I spent most time in.
6) Sokolov's kidnapping. That's it?
7) Lord Regent's assassin. THAT'S IT?
Deified Data
Banned
What's stopping you? There are tons of ways to get there.
I definitely agree with your bottom ranked mission. I really didn't care for that one and for some reason it seemed kind of out of place to me.
Blink to the balcony using lamposts
edit: WTF,
The flooded district
There's no way I can find to actually get there
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
Did you try the rooftops that are all connected and very easy to get to?
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Deleted member 17706
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Quest markers have been ruining gameplay since WoW or even earlier.
Designers design stuff based around the markers, and not actually giving clues in the world as to where you are supposed to go.
It annoys me that so many game designers feel like it doesn't really have to make sense why your character always knows exactly where to go.
are you inside the mansion? the doctor has a secret place there. There are two ways to get there (at least). Read the notes
I spent like an hour trying to figure this out before I just decided to look up what I had to do. Pretty dumb it's a specific dumpster. I like playing this game without objective markers but is there anything like this later on in the game I should know about (without giving any spoilers away)?
Despite that, this game is so great. I've only beat the first mission and made my way back to the pub but it's very tense and extremely rewarding when you pull something off that you can think up in your head.