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Disney Lost Approximately %50 of Value

On the other hand, men being sodomized and orally raped is pretty controversial but I'm guessing you were OK with it because you didn't notice it. Again, the point being that the content hasn't really changed. You have.

To compare the Alien to a lot of modern films is to compare art to propaganda. One seeks to illuminate and pose questions, the other seeks to instruct and control.

The reason Alien was so successful was because it connected with people on a visceral level. The horror was effective in the way that the best art generally is; it made people think and feel things that they probably didn't understand but touched some deeper part of their psyche.

Compare that to most modern, feminist films. Their sledgehammer subtlety is like something out of the Soviet Union. We all know what they are trying to say and it ends up being divisive. They don't seek to pose questions because they start from the premise that they know how you should think and want to shame you into agreeing with them. As a result, they are only interesting and enjoyable if you already agree with the message. To everyone else they are just annoying.
 

Superkewl

Member
The rest of your post was flawless, but I am very curious what cartoon this is. I love this picture, it is the most random assortment of heroes I've ever seen 😂 You've got:
- An actual unicorn
- Some sort of Viking kid
- Random dude with a shield
- Some sort of Robin Hood dude
- Black Wonder Woman
- Some sort of nerd cosplaying as a wizard
- And finally, some truly random ass chick with a cape
It's Dungeons and Dragons. Was one of my favourites when I was a kid.

 
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winjer

Member
That's a fault of the school system.

I remember as a kid going to public school, being REALLY annoyed that the only time I would hear about W.E.B. DuBois, Frederick Douglass, George Washington Carver, etc, was during BLACK HISTORY MONTH™. I'm like, yo, I want to hear about cats like those all year round.

I remember when I first learned of Jesse Owens at the 1936 Olympics. I was floored, I was like yo this is something that absolutely needs to get out of the confines of BLACK HISTORY MONTH™. This should be told all the time. The whole anecdote is pretty much storybook levels of inspiring. Homeboy went to the Olympics in Berlin, in the middle of the most fervent Nazi propaganda. So you've got Hitler and Goebbels spouting their absolutely bottom-barrel garbage views, and Owens shows up and thoroughly embarrasses them.

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It's an inspiring tale of American perseverance and strength, and should be told all the time, not just Black History Month.

Unfortunately his story is more dramatic than that. He was thoroughly exploited by his manager, having most of his prize money stolen.
But because he was black and his manager white, he never got justice.
Despite being an Olympic champion, he was still ostracized in the USA. This was still during segregation, so he was bared from all white shops, services, etc.
Oddly enough, when he was in Berlin, he was free to enter any German shop and service. In a very ironic twist, for the short time he was in Nazi Germany, he had more freedom there, than in Jim Crow's America.
And it doesn't end there. Although he was an Olympic champion, FDR refused to receive him, along with the other US Olympic Champions. Here is an interesting quote from Jesse Owens:

HITLER DIDN’T SNUB ME; IT WAS [FDR] WHO SNUBBED ME. THE PRESIDENT DIDN’T EVEN SEND ME A TELEGRAM.

Roosevelt's reason was simple, it was a campaign year so he....
“did not want to be perceived as being soft on the negro issue,”
 

Hezekiah

Banned
To compare the Alien to a lot of modern films is to compare art to propaganda. One seeks to illuminate and pose questions, the other seeks to instruct and control.

The reason Alien was so successful was because it connected with people on a visceral level. The horror was effective in the way that the best art generally is; it made people think and feel things that they probably didn't understand but touched some deeper part of their psyche.

Compare that to most modern, feminist films. Their sledgehammer subtlety is like something out of the Soviet Union. We all know what they are trying to say and it ends up being divisive. They don't seek to pose questions because they start from the premise that they know how you should think and want to shame you into agreeing with them. As a result, they are only interesting and enjoyable if you already agree with the message. To everyone else they are just annoying.
The messaging appear to be women ≥ men, and women are great as they are and have no need to change/struggle in any way.

Ripley and Sarah Connor were way better female role-models and characters, demonstrating their intelligence and fighting abilities, than Captain Marvel, the latest Terminator, the new leads in Charlie's Angel and Ghostbusters etc.
 
The messaging appear to be women ≥ men, and women are great as they are and have no need to change/struggle in any way.

Ripley and Sarah Connor were way better female role-models and characters, demonstrating their intelligence and fighting abilities, than Captain Marvel, the latest Terminator, the new leads in Charlie's Angel and Ghostbusters etc.
I completely agree. Another message that they push is that women are capable of doing all the good things that men can do whilst the bad things that men do are unique to them.

This message is also pushed in a lot of modern readings of history. For example, in Britain any mention of WW2 now makes sure to include the fact that women were involved in the effort to defeat Hitler. They worked in munitions factories and in the Women's Royal Air Force, amongst other things. These were important contributions so it's right that they get mentioned. However, women also played similar roles in the Third Reich as well as serving as guards in concentrations camps. Funnily enough, feminists never seem so keen to draw attention to this.

What we're left with is the idea that all of the world's problems come from men but all of our achievements could have been delivered by women if only the evil patriarchy wasn't holding them back.
 
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