adversarial
Member
Mine does too,
even when it gets engulfed in flames from the 800 fucking oozlings and subsequently dies.
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Divinity: Original Sin 2 |OT| Dragons & Dungeon Mastering
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Mine does too,
Trickster
Member
I'm currently in the act 2 Cavern
. I have no idea how the hell you're supposed to get out of here? Like,
Reaper's Coast
your party is split up, 2 are unable to move. The other 2 can't move outside of their starting area because either there's vampiric voidwoken that heal more than I can damage it, or those broken storm bugs pop up the ground and practically kill me before it's my turn, and there's no way to avoid them or see them before they appear?
Ryzaki009
Member
? Um yes it does. Battlestomp for example works as soon as you break the armor and it hits fairly hard. Also what do you mean on casters. War skills are mostly for melee. I can't think of any war/huntsman skill that requires you to hit twice to get the status effect. Cripple, knocked down, atrophy all those work as soon as the armor breaks.
Like none of what you're saying changes that magic has to do extra compared to melee for status effects.
AnathemicOne
Banned
Bless that shit.
I think this is the game telling you that
Teleporter Pyramids
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Problem is, that fight is insanely mobby.
Same thing happened to me. It's one of those garbage fight in the game. The best thing to do is to get rid of the oil/curse before the fire starts. Spam Rain and use ranged attack to kill the blobs before they reach the top. Fortify on the NPC can help.
This can be hard too depending on who are the free characters. You actually have to kill the bugs to proceed so make sure one free characters can solo them. If you are underleveled then good luck. One of the free characters can find keys around to open the doors to the other characters. One you start getting characters back it gets easier. The characters with the spider web icons have to be rescued by the others, don't click on them to use their turn or the battle will start.
I have no idea if it was the intended way
but I got one person to the waypoint and teleported everyone to it. There was only a few easy mobs to kill and it could get there. Also you could possibly use the teleportation pyramids. I never tried it because I thought about it afterwards but you can send items to your other party members, so pass one around.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
This is the quest that I just entirely broke with teleport, Phoenix Dive, and Tactical Retreat.
I did it with
the teleportation pyramids. As SOON as I noticed everyone was seperated I just rounded them all back together by passing one of them around and teleporting them to my character.
fluffydelusions
Member
Act 4 sure does have some rage inducing fights Fuck that fight
with the mirrors where they respawn if you don't break them.
Has anybody here been having desync issues since the last patch? I have the party split 2+2 with a friend and every now and then his main character completely desyncs and will just stand still on my screen until I reload a save file. During combat his character will end up teleporting around and not do any animations whatsoever.
Trickster
Member
So uhm, how exactly did you manage to do that when some of your members starts off in combat, making it impossible to use the
pyramids
AnathemicOne
Banned
I'm pretty sure you can use them while in combat, takes 6AP to use right?
Btw, anyone else getting invested into the lore of this game. Like I was never a big fan of the Divinity franchise only having played the first Original Sin and haven't even beat it due to a myriad of reasons but I was never interested in the lore back then. Original Sin 2 has be invested with the mythos of this universe and I love it. I wanna learn more. The Lizards, the
Eternals
I gathered everyone else up, had the one in combat drop their pyramid, and had everyone else teleport to them.
CrichtonKicks
Member
This is probably the first RPG I've ever played where I fail most speech checks. I'm always the "Speech" skills guy. But if I want to spec persuasion on my main (Ifan) then it means giving up Thievery, which I'm not willing to do. So I've hot high Persuasion on the Red Prince. If I really want to make sure I pass the check I'll control the prince but, for the most part, I'm just letting things play out with Ifan clearly not being a very persuasive fellow.
texhnolyze
Banned
Not sure if it's entirely different, but my party was separated into 4 different spots.
Red Prince (captain) was sent into impossible battle alone at the top right corner of the map and died before I could do anything. The 2nd companion (Beast) was sent into a small encampment at the top left corner of the map with a female dwarf. He could safely teleport out of the place via waypoint. The 3rd one (Sebille) was in a small area at the bottom right corner of the map, quite close the Red Prince. I sent her to his room and resurrected him out of the danger. So at this point, I had 2 party members together. The last companion which is still alone was Lohse at the top center of the map. She's in battle with two mall Voidwalker which she can easily dispatch in one aoe magic spell. After that's done, I proceeded further with Red Prince and Sebille to reach the waypoint at the center of the dungeon so I could call Beast inside. Lastly, I proceeded to save Lohse. I had to face the big voidwalkers a few times, but they were separated unlike the initial fight at the start of the dungeon so they were quite easy to handle. After everyone's finally together, the last destination was the top left corner of the map.
Yes, the game forces your main to have decent persuasion skill if you want to "Speech" your way out of trouble most of the time. I learned that from the first game, therefore I chose tanky the Red Prince as my main so I can invest persuasion on him. I couldn't imagine having a rogue or mage as my main character while I have to invest persuasion skill on them. There are more important skills for those classes.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Yes it is.
Sanctuary
Member
What I mean by "casters", is using Battle Stomp on them since they almost always have lower physical armor than melee enemies. Enemy casters are almost always spread out and at a distance as well, so you have to spend more AP to even reach them or bring them to you. If you can reach them and still have enough for Battle Stomp, you will likely be able to knock them down. But that's almost always only going to be a single enemy, and an enemy that could actually easily just be outright killed by physical damage dealers in the first place. For typical melee enemies, you aren't going to blow through all of their armor and knock them down in a single hit on anything but a medium physical armored Rogue type, and that usually requires a crit for it to happen. Otherwise, you still need to weaken their physical armor by some other means. Either with another attack by the character using Battle Stomp first, or by someone else (like a Ranger). Melee characters are laughably easy to control though, and not from Battle Stomp. Rangers and casters are the most annoying.
Anyway, in just as many turns as it takes you to CC a melee character with Battle Stomp until much higher levels of scaling (Act 3), you can do the same with casters. Slow and Teleport aren't "hard CC" in that it prevents enemies from acting at all, but it wrecks any melee for just 2 AP. Slow is especially good because it can't be resisted and you can usually hit at least two enemies, sometimes more at the start with it. You can also Teleport casters far enough away that they have to waste a lot of AP to get anything started, or just teleport them into range of your physical damage dealers that can blow them up on their turn.
Once you have a sufficient crit chance and Sortilege, you can use Impalement + Fireball and they will be crippled and burning in a single turn. Hydro has Hail Strike and that will almost always freeze melee characters. Or, you can use Rain + Ice Fan to cause frozen patches under three targets (spread out in a 13 - 15m radius too), which then has a chance to knock them down when they move. Things get even more interesting once you start using Terrain Transformation from Polymorph. It only costs 1 AP, so anyone can use it easily, and it basically takes any negative ground effect and places it under an enemy. It's very useful to simply remove it from under yourself too and place it elsewhere. Aero though for hard CC though through shock effects? Pretty shitty thanks to armor. The best spells from Aero are Teleport and Netherswap anyway for CC.
If your main argument is soley that CC isn't as good as it was in the previous game for casters, then we're in agreement. However, CC in general isn't even that good compared to simply killing them with physical damage dealers aside from using Charm anyway. For single targets, physical damage is almost always higher than anything a caster can do. Casters only pull their weight from a pure damage perspective against groups (or those random enemies that have no armor at all), and that's not always viable.
This is why Ranger types are the best CC in the game right now against non bosses.
2H is still good. Just max him for DPS, add some mobility skills and knockdowns. They hit like trucks later in the game.
Okay probably should avoid that way till after the boat thing and killing everybody in the fort.
Thanks.
Ryzaki009
Member
Edited because I'm getting way off my original point.
First off 90% of gap closers cost 1AP.
My point is magic is warm > Burning, chilled > Frozen, shocked > stunned.
Meanwhile melee is armor break and ability does knockdown? Knocked Down. Same with Cripple? Crippled. \
Also mentioning pyro/geo when I was complaining about Aero/Hydro is kind of proving my point about the latter being underpowered and needing far too much to get not even half the other.
Lanrutcon
Member
Two and a half things:
1) The oilfield fight got DRAMATICALLY out of control, really quickly. Necro fire. Necro fire as far as the eye can see. Then I blessed it, cast rain, and immediately the npc killed an enemy, cursing the entire 5 x 5 screens worth of goddamn water/steam cloud. I must have spent an hour on that fight.
2) On the subject of movement: this game has too many ways for characters to close the gap. It's just silly. In comparison to traditional tactics games, and even the original. When I go into a battle I expect every enemy will have one "leap/teleport" at the very least. My characters each of a minimum of 2, and one of my characters has 3. Minimum investment gets you 3 ways to just ignore physical spacing. In a game with tactical combat. Let that sink in.
3) My Aero/Hydro mage is irreplaceable. In world where too many things are immune to fire and heal from earth, she's stupidly handy. However, the end game Hydro/Aero spells are complete ass. I don't know what they were thinking. Chain Lightning is shit.
1) The oilfield fight got DRAMATICALLY out of control, really quickly. Necro fire. Necro fire as far as the eye can see. Then I blessed it, cast rain, and immediately the npc killed an enemy, cursing the entire 5 x 5 screens worth of goddamn water/steam cloud. I must have spent an hour on that fight.
2) On the subject of movement: this game has too many ways for characters to close the gap. It's just silly. In comparison to traditional tactics games, and even the original. When I go into a battle I expect every enemy will have one "leap/teleport" at the very least. My characters each of a minimum of 2, and one of my characters has 3. Minimum investment gets you 3 ways to just ignore physical spacing. In a game with tactical combat. Let that sink in.
3) My Aero/Hydro mage is irreplaceable. In world where too many things are immune to fire and heal from earth, she's stupidly handy. However, the end game Hydro/Aero spells are complete ass. I don't know what they were thinking. Chain Lightning is shit.
I think all later game spells are mostly ass because they cost source, more memory slots and of course AP on top of that. That's just too expensive. Well same goes for many physical skills though Arrow Storm is great. But with physical attacks it's not that big of a deal as your basic attacks still deal good damage.
Lanrutcon
Member
Agreed, but Chain Lightning is even worse: instead of dealing a LOT of damage to one target (ideal), or high damage to a few targets...it deals mediocre damage to 8 targets. Now, I'm only 3/4 through chapter 2, but I can't think of a single fight where there were 8 targets grouped up to the point where Chain Lightning would hit em all.
texhnolyze
Banned
Yeah, the game offers 3 kinds of 'leap' skill, as well as teleport, swap, battering ram, haste, etc. Movement is not an issue as far as I'm concerned. In fact, even my melee fighters don't really need to move anymore to close into their target lately. Battering ram if possible, or the phoenix dive if not to close in. Combined with numerous ranged warfare skills, they only need to close into a target at the beginning of an encounter and stay there the whole fight. When they've used up the shield throw and stomping skill, the enemies would be already at their melee range anyway. I also love teleporting enemy mages and archer to the center of the fight.
Sanctuary
Member
The Aero + Hydro combo for stun is pretty weak early on and for the first few turns in this game, yes. However, Hydro still can hard CC a single melee unit (sometimes more if you get them bunched up first) with a single spell.
I don't know why you keep focusing on melee knockdowns though and acting like you can reliably do that with a single attack on a fully armored opponent. In most situations, you can't. You're grossly exaggerating the issue. I don't know why you're bothering to mention Cripple though. Impalement Cripples just as easily, and at a farther range. The complaint about burning doesn't make much sense either since how completely easy it is to apply in this game. Stunned is what is the most difficult, but it's not completely useless, especially with Rain or Raining Blood.
This issue isn't only mobility, but it's the main one without Pawn. First you have to spend AP just to reach the target, then you have to use a very inefficient skill to deal damage. Melee attacks for a long time suck for the cost, and in the case of backstabbing, not going to happen every single turn without spending AP on movement skills. Meanwhile, I can start a fight hitting an enemy for 600 non crit and 1000+ on a crit at range for 2 AP, and then basic attack for 400 non crit.
You also kind of proved my point with the bolded.
Yes, and no. A lot of the really fun spells cost source, and sometimes too much of it. However, what this does is makes those spells essentially once-per-encounter type of spells (although you can always just drain source during a fight to get it back). But refilling completely isn't an issue in this game. There are plenty of places to go to fill up your entire party of their three points. It just sucks if you want to stay out for extended exploration without constant trips back to refill.
Lanrutcon
Member
Completely. Fane is like "Smile for the camera PHOOOOOOSH!"
Yep I carry it just because how it looks. At first I thought it just shoots a thin laser so the first time I used it I pretty much went "holy shit".
Okay, this sounds promising. Which school of magic is it in so I can start building that in advance?
Prototype Viktor
Member
fuck Crispin that little shit npc
I bought this game and I'm completely lost on which class to chose for the protagonist.
I started it as a custom human ranger but I'm not really convinced of it.
The good thing about the D&D based games is that I already knew the system and I knew what character I wanted to make.
I don't really understand this system
I started it as a custom human ranger but I'm not really convinced of it.
The good thing about the D&D based games is that I already knew the system and I knew what character I wanted to make.
I don't really understand this system
civilstrife
Member
FYI: you can move dead party members to a waypoint shrine. It's the only thing you can do with them when selecting them while dead. Not sure this was intentional, as it looks pretty hilarious.
Pretty useful actually.
Pretty useful actually.
Moff
Member
Pyro, it looks and feels great but I think casters are generally underpowered.Okay, this sounds promising. Which school of magic is it in so I can start building that in advance?
Lanrutcon
Member
I bought this game and I'm completely lost on which class to chose for the protagonist.
I started it as a custom human ranger but I'm not really convinced of it.
The good thing about the D&D based games is that I already knew the system and I knew what character I wanted to make.
I don't really understand this system
You get unlimited respecs at the end of chapter 1, and whenever you recruit a companion you get to pick their class.
Lemme cookie cutter it for you:
- Get a Wizard. Wizards blow shit up with earth and fire magic.
- Get an Enchanter. Enchanters support your team with water and air magic.
- Get a Ranger. Rangers get to high places and then rain arrows down. Get your Ranger a crossbow.
As for your main character, do whatever the hell you like. You can literally change the character into anything you want (undoing any mistakes) later on, so go nuts. Try a Summoner? they seem very easy to play.
Also: there's an easy mode called Explorer. Don't be afraid to test the waters on Explorer while learning how to swim. The game has a TON of systems, resulting in a lot of freedom to get lost or get creative.
cartoon_soldier
Member
I bought this game and I'm completely lost on which class to chose for the protagonist.
I started it as a custom human ranger but I'm not really convinced of it.
The good thing about the D&D based games is that I already knew the system and I knew what character I wanted to make.
I don't really understand this system
You can use one of the Origin characters.
The game allows complete respec in Act 2, so you can always change the party structure as you see fit.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Yo, fuck necro fire. That is all.
I almost beat the oil void fight in the Blackpits due to placing fire barrels EVERYWHRE so I basically took out all the first wave of void with one Molotov.
Then I cast First Aid on Gwyn and he died instantly.
NeroAngelo
Banned
Boy performance really takes huge dive in Driftwood.
I saw the other replies but
also you can ignore the fight with many enemies in the top corner until you get the rest of the group together. There is a hidden entrance to the big fight that you can quickly find by attempting to send your main group into there with a mouse click (some hiding eh). There is also a waypoint portal in the centre of the cavern, once found with one char you can get 2 others there by quick travel. There are also some hidden tunnels which can be found with a char with decent wit skills. I spent way too long there
I think I was quite lucky in that cavern in that
my party was never split up.
When is that supposed to happen? I entered the cave, then teleported myself down to Mordus and entered the rest of the caves from there. Also, what's up with the room on the top right of the map? The fightr there was quite hard, and I got absolutely nothing from it, not even good loot; the spirit there only tells me to kill every Voidwoken, which I have...
When is that supposed to happen? I entered the cave, then teleported myself down to Mordus and entered the rest of the caves from there. Also, what's up with the room on the top right of the map? The fightr there was quite hard, and I got absolutely nothing from it, not even good loot; the spirit there only tells me to kill every Voidwoken, which I have...
Edit: ok, seeing the replies, I think I missed out on something?
GwyndolinCinder
Member
Yea driftwood square seems very taxing.
I have a quick question about a certain NPC that you save in Fort Joy.
What does Slane the Winter Dragon do after you rescue him in the full game?
I know in Early Access he helped with the Shriekers before Alexander, but he didn't seem to do that this time. Does he do anything neat later on or can I kill him for his loot?
I know in Early Access he helped with the Shriekers before Alexander, but he didn't seem to do that this time. Does he do anything neat later on or can I kill him for his loot?
Lanrutcon
Member
If you enter the ruined keep where the A encounter takes place and there are still shriekers up, then S swoops in and ends them all. I have not seen him after that.
Moff
Member
In act 2 you can respecc anyone to anything without any limits.
bati
Member
Are there any hard counters to mages later in the game? I restarted with dual LW mages for fun and blasted through the first half of act 1 with zero problems. Running pyro/geo and hydro/aero with some overlap between the two, cooldowns are too long to only focus on two schools early in the game. Also having both phys and armor regen spells active on both party members is pretty sweet. I finished most of the fights about 5 times faster than with a 4 man team, it's pretty crazy.
Also, for anyone wondering, I think it might be possible to recruit pretty much everyone in Fort Joy at level 1 (if you want to grab that crucial civil point) - skip the two guards on the ship, don't go downstairs to help, skip the first two mobs on the beach. That should keep the XP low enough to get Ifan too.
Also, for anyone wondering, I think it might be possible to recruit pretty much everyone in Fort Joy at level 1 (if you want to grab that crucial civil point) - skip the two guards on the ship, don't go downstairs to help, skip the first two mobs on the beach. That should keep the XP low enough to get Ifan too.
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