Ocean Dweller
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so now with dlss4 preset k, is the advice to set ingame DLSS to balanced now? Previously I always set it to quality
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DLSS 4 (the new Super Resolution and Ray Reconstruction models) will be compatible with ALL RTX GPUs
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Negotiator
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Some people say DLSS Performance is good enough with DLSS4, not many artifacts.
manfestival
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try it out on your end and compare it on your screen. Sometimes seeing things in motion exposes things you won't catch in still images or on YouTube. It does seem like balanced is greatly improved. I just never touch the setting since I just would rather go for the higher fidelity
yamaci17
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1440p dlss performance easily clears the old 1440p dlss quality for me
I used to find 1440p dlss quality really blurry but now even 1440p dlss performance looks so clear in motion
considering PSSR is still catching up to the old DLSS, I guess you can guess my answer
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I haven’t got the faintest idea as I don’t have Rebirth on my Pro, so comparing is difficult. Plus, all those shimmering issues seem to have been resolved for the most part, so even DF’s old videos are kind of useless to compare.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
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If the game is very demanding and I want to maximise all possible frames I go with performance.
Ninja Gaiden 2 Black has perfect IQ with Performance.
TheStam
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It really is crazy how good this is. Been playing around with some other games. Currently Indy and suddenly I can play it with path-tracing + everything maxed out with DLSS performance+ frame gen and it looks great even in motion. It really didn't come close to this before. I'm kind of reconsidering upgrading GPU this gen now
Buggy Loop
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I wish it had come sooner. A couple of hard hitting games like that I wish I would have played with better performances. Wukong & Indiana,.
I kind of gave up half way in cyberpunk 2077 a while ago so that's one to revisit soon with the DLC as well.
If it performs good, why upgrade, especially with the GPU prices now. My 3080 Ti might last a while longer. Very happy they didn't lock this tech to Blackwell.
Negotiator
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What GPU do you have?
ienjoyrawfish
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Tested it in Witcher 3 remastered last night and it didn't seem to be the case at all for me. There were still noticeable annoying artefacts and shimmering when using DLSS Performance at 4K. I had to put it back on Balanced.
I was surprised because I'd been led to believe the new Performance mode looked better than the old Quality mode. It's possible I haven't set it up correctly in the Nvidia app because Performance mode looked pretty much the same as it always has to me.
TheStam
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The games I wanted to upgrade for were these path tracing titles as well. Moving to 4k really upped the requirements. I tried Indy before and it looks nice without path-tracing but I mentally left it for later.
With the prices and difficulties with availability and with DLSS Performance looking so good I have a bit of a hard time motivating an upgrade.
4080 running at 4k with Frame gen.
Im still quite early but getting like 75 - 110 FPS after the first zone in the jungle which was a bit heavier. Also drops a bit in some cutscenes, but I can live with it. Feels good enough for me in such a heavy game. I have noticed some situational artifacts, maybe due to frame gen at a bit low base fps, but very much a big upgrade from what I saw before DLSS4 for sure in terms of how clean the image is.
Also in FFVII Rebirth I noticed a much improved image since upgrading DLSS version. But there I run Quality.
Buggy Loop
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Oh you're well equipped to skip Blackwell then
3080 Ti is a bit more rough. But I ain't fighting bots and scalpers to score a card. Kinda glad I can now put into performance mode and it still looks so nice.
Motion clarity is better than TAA (thus "native") now for me too with transformer model.
Gaiff
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It already supports DLSS4. It was among the games mentioned in the last patch along with Spider-Man 2 and Cyberpunk.
GymWolf
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I don't think i saw the option ingame to change the dlss model from cnn to autobots.
Unless they released new nvidia drivers for the game.
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Negotiator
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So I guess this means 4070 is viable for 1440p with path tracing and DLSS4 Performance (720p native res upscaled to 1440p)...
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I think it might have just shipped with DLSS4 considering it was released after. I don’t recall there being a setting to switch between Transformer and CNN in Spider-Man 2, but I’m not 100% sure.
Cyberpunk used to have DLSS3, so they just added the toggle.
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GymWolf
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Wait, so i'm already playing with the transformer model and you can't chose the cnn?
I'm never gonna install the app and i'm too noob for the other methods so the ingame toggle is my only hope to finally try this fucking new model
kiphalfton
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Only see preset J (and not preset K) in the nvidia app, when trying to use it for Red Dead Redemption 2.
Also maybe something in my settings is really bogging down fps, on my RTX 3080, but only getting like 40 fps average at 4K ultra settings with everything max. Old videos on YouTube show at least 50-55 fps average.
Also maybe something in my settings is really bogging down fps, on my RTX 3080, but only getting like 40 fps average at 4K ultra settings with everything max. Old videos on YouTube show at least 50-55 fps average.
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hinch7
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For the most part, yes. You're not going to run into VRAM issues at that res. And from a few videos I've seen that have tested; a 4070 with DLSS 4 is totally viable. Even without framegen.
Negotiator
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I don't mind framegen (as long as it doesn't produce many artifacts) and with nVidia Reflex the input lag should be better than a console.
Corporal.Hicks
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I did a few tests after the latest Cyberpunk update. DLSS FG version 2.0 is much better than I thought. I used to see an extra 9-12ms input lag with FGx2 in Cyberpunk, but now it's only 1-4ms.
Less demanding location (badlands), just after the start of the game. I'm looking at the radio tower and my car.
Raster, high settings:
-1440p native TAA 150fps 17ms latency (LDAT data)
-DLSS Quality 190fps 16ms
-DLSSQ + FG 281 fps 19ms.
RT shadows & reflections, high settings:
-1440p native TAA 109fps 22ms
-DLSS Quality 151fps 18ms
-DLSSQ + FG 240fps 22ms
Ultra RT, high settings:
-1440p native TAA 81fps 26ms
-DLLS Quality 126fps 22ms
-DLSSQ + FG 207fps 23ms
Psycho RT, high settings:
-1440p native TAA 78fps 28ms
-DLSS Quality 123fps 20ms
-DLSSQ + FG 203fps 22ms
Path Tracing, high settings:
-1440p native TAA 50fps 38ms
-DLSS Quality 87fps 28ms
-DLSSQ + FG 149fps 30ms
-DLSS Performance 121fps 23ms
-DLSSP + FG 200fps 24ms
Demanding location (Kubaki) during the rain.
Raster, high settings preset
-1440p native TAA 140fps 21ms
-DLSS quality 189fps 18ms
-DLSSQ + FG 275fps 22ms
RT shadows & reflections:
-1440p native TAA 95fps 26ms
-DLSS Quality 138fps 24ms
-DLSSQ + FG 221fps 26ms
Ultra RT:
-1440p native TAA, 60fps 36ms
-DLSS Quality, 100fps 26ms
-DLSSQ + FG, 171fps 29ms
Psycho RT:
-1440p native TAA 55fps 40ms
-DLSS Quality 97fps 26ms
-DLSSQ + FG, 165fps 30ms
Path Tracing:
-1440p native TAA, 35fps 55ms
-DLSS Quality, 70fps 31ms
-DLSSQ + FG, 123fps 37ms
-DLSS Performance 101fps 26ms
-DLSSp + FG, 171fps 30ms
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Bojji
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So I tested some games with new frame gen and SR and differences are for sure game dependent. In Starfield difference between DLSS3 and 4 is BIG, transformer model is much better and game is super clean. In Silent Hill 2 old frame gen is dogshit and new version fixes a lot of artifacts.
In most other games DLSS4 is usually better but there are cases when some things are worse in new model (it's in beta anyway I think). Good stuff overall!
In most other games DLSS4 is usually better but there are cases when some things are worse in new model (it's in beta anyway I think). Good stuff overall!
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Solarstrike
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Buggy Loop
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"Neural Radiance Cache"
What are you even getting at? Shitposting?
MMaRsu
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Dlss swapper doesnt work, i forced dlss4 on a global lvl so should that work now?Read dead Redemption 2 +4k DLSS4 performance+ all effects on ultra+ 70fps+ on a card that cost less than $500
Solarstrike
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A fukking ReShade can do that, imo. :/ Sorry if you are upset as I meant sarcasm and not a shitpost.
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Buggy Loop
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You have no idea what you're talking about, unsurprisingly
If you could read
Real-time Neural Radiance Caching for Path Tracing | Research
We present a real-time neural radiance caching method for path-traced global illumination. Our system is designed to handle fully dynamic scenes, and makes no assumptions about the lighting, geometry, and materials. The data-driven nature of our approach sidesteps many difficulties of caching...
Including AMD having their own spin
GTFO with your nonsense. Reshade
What a clown you are.
Solarstrike
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You have no idea what you're talking about, unsurprisingly
If you could read
Real-time Neural Radiance Caching for Path Tracing | Research
We present a real-time neural radiance caching method for path-traced global illumination. Our system is designed to handle fully dynamic scenes, and makes no assumptions about the lighting, geometry, and materials. The data-driven nature of our approach sidesteps many difficulties of caching...research.nvidia.com
Including AMD having their own spin
GTFO with your nonsense. Reshade
I corrected my post after you posted this. But since you wanna be a bitch about it and name call, go fuck yourself you foreign anti-American shit gobbling canoe filth.
Nvidia's bullshit tech is stale and an undermine to PC gaming.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Rough day buddy?
Solarstrike
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Not at all. Got stock in Nvidia or something?
Buggy Loop
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I corrected my post after you posted this. But since you wanna be a bitch about it and name call, go fuck yourself you foreign anti-American shit gobbling canoe filth. Nvidia's bullshit tech is stale and an undermine to PC gaming.
You managed to make the most cringe post of the month on neogaf, congrats.
Solarstrike
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Buggy Loop
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You come into a tech thread on nvidia technology and you just shitpost. Anyone calling you out on it is a dork? Ok buddy
Solarstrike
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You come into a tech thread on nvidia technology and you just shitpost. Anyone calling you out on it is a dork? Ok buddy
Bro adding shading to the crevices of bricks isn't ground breaking (no pun intended). I find it funny the utter bullshit Nvidia tries to sell every year. Remember "Nvidia Hair Physics". Michael Jordan obviously doesn't, that bald fukc probably crying somewhere rn.
Buggy Loop
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I FInd iT fuNnY tHe UttEr BULlsHiT nVidia TRIeS TO sELl EVERy yEar
Their ReSTIR solution allowed Cyberpunk 2077 to have path tracing with nearly tens of thousands of light sources in a AAA game when previously at best you Quake 2 RTX with simplistic geometry and a few lights sources kneecapping GPUs. NRC is now the next step for even better performances and less noise for path tracing.
Even AMD is onboard you dimwit.
Don't even bother replying, you're just making a case for a thread ban.
Their ReSTIR solution allowed Cyberpunk 2077 to have path tracing with nearly tens of thousands of light sources in a AAA game when previously at best you Quake 2 RTX with simplistic geometry and a few lights sources kneecapping GPUs. NRC is now the next step for even better performances and less noise for path tracing.
Even AMD is onboard you dimwit.
Don't even bother replying, you're just making a case for a thread ban.
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
Nvida app>graphics>select game>use different settings for DLSS overrides> Either use same settings and select latest or select use different settings for each DLSS technology>Super resolution>latest
Solarstrike
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Negotiator
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Let me tell you that when DLSS first appeared in 2018 many people were saying that ReShade "does the same job for free".
You're doing the exact same thing right now...
There are serious reasons to criticize nVidia (RTX 5090 cable shenanigans), but the Neural Radiance Cache is definitely not one of them.
Bojji
Member
Yep. RDR2 looks excellent with DLSS4.
Solarstrike
Member
Man the tech just seems like a gimmick! Off topic; Nvidia can stfu tbh and build more factories to meet demand of their GPU's. Shit, they should already have a few (factories) specifically for the "crypto" market. On topic; well let's see if this tech is going to be across the board or something just for, yet again, another $2000 GPU
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Negotiator
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Really?
Is that why we also have XeSS, FSR4 and Sony/AMD will double down on AI-generated graphics for the PS6 (Project Amethyst)?
What "factories"? nVidia has always been fabless.
Do you know the distinction between nVidia (design) and TSMC (production)?
I've been hearing the same thing ever since nVidia released GeForce 256 ("T&L is a gimmick, my 3Dfx Voodoo/ATi Rage does the same thing").
Even programmable shaders were considered a "gimmick" when GeForce 3 was released... and now people want more raster (shader) performance.
I guess you're too young to remember.
Solarstrike
Member
Let me let you in on a secret, I think people wil be paying for each and every GPU tech option/effect Nvidia shovels out each year. They can literally turn On and Off graphical features on the fly without needing anything but a good internet connection and a display (Nvidia Now).
Big mistake imho with SONY and AMD putting much stake in AI. Man I like AI for what it can do to create images or some of the AI generated movies but it creating decent and complex games I think is far away yet. If it can automatically make older games look better (with user end enabled options) on the fly, then I'm all for it.
Nvidia is one of the, if not THE biggest company in the world and that's not just their bank account. They have full ability and resources to do their own thing, build their own factories, etc. Automated maybe?
Nvidia design again, they have the ability to create, manufacture, and sell their own stuff (Nvidia Stores as example) with no third party sellers involved (EBay scalpers can go to Hell).
I'm an old pfhart
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PaintTinJr
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Hard to say, there's things in the DLAA3 image that are far superior, but the things in the other image that are better can't be checked because the images are so far apart in frustum position - which may or may not be caused by the DLSS4 quality, providing gains.
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DLSS 4 works fine on RTX 2000 series cards released in 2018. Meanwhile AMD's 5700 XT from the same time period can't even run certain games due to the lack of RT support.
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