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DNC agrees to give Sanders greater influence over party platform

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/dnc-bernie-sanders-convention-2016-223477

Bernie Sanders will be able to claim more sway over the convention in July after the Democratic National Committee partially gave in to his demand for more control over the committee that writes the party's platform.

While DNC rules allow the chair to pick all 15 members of the national convention drafting committee, the organization struck a deal with the two campaigns so that Hillary Clinton will pick six members, Sanders will pick five, and DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz will appoint four, party officials confirmed.
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It's short of what Sanders lobbied for — he wrote to Wasserman Schultz suggesting that each campaign pick seven members and that the final member be picked jointly by both campaigns — it's still progress for Sanders, who has had an especially rocky relationship with Wasserman Schultz.

The concession will give Sanders a greater say over the party's platform in July, which will give him a chance to inject his progressive policies in a more lasting way.

There we go. Hopefully this is a more agreeable concession for Sanders supporters.

Lock if old.

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

Means nothing for the #BernieOrBust folks unfortunately.

 

[Link]

I'm fine with this, however...

Means nothing for the #BernieOrBust folks unfortunately.

 

[phanphare]

that's good stuff

 

[Orbis Tabula]

Huzzah.

 

[KefkaPalazzo]

He's won 20+ states and over 40 percent of the vote, so I would hope so. You don't want to alienate progressives.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Now Bernie is part of the Establishment.

Lets see how this is rationalized.

 

[jack_package_200]

Means nothing for the #BernieOrBust folks unfortunately.

Well I think the majority of the supporters that are reasonable likely outnumber the busters.

The only way to have made them happy is if the superdelegates overruled the will of the voters and made Bernie the nominee.

Pay them no mind. They aren't worth listening to.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Means nothing for the #BernieOrBust folks unfortunately.

Why would I care what Ron Paul supporters think about the Democratic convention?

He's won 20+ states and over 40 percent of the vote, so I would hope so. You don't want to alienate progressives.

40% of the vote is terrible in US primaries.

 

[_woLf]

Shouldn't be 4 for him 5 for hillary, should be more like 4 to 6 or 4 to 7....but whatever.

 

[phanphare]

Means nothing for the #BernieOrBust folks unfortunately.

nothing will

who cares about them anyway? won't change anything regarding the general election

 

[Slayven]

Not like his and Clinton's agendas are radically different to begin with

 

[pigeon]

This seems fine.

Since Hillary and the DNC between them still control 67% of the members, I doubt it will have literally any consequences, which makes it an excellent bargaining chip.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

This seems fine.

Since Hillary and the DNC between them still control 67% of the members, I doubt it will have literally any consequences, which makes it an excellent bargaining chip.

Indeed.

 

[jaekeem]

Hopefully this means he drops out or at least starts being more conciliatory after June 7th.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Means nothing for the #BernieOrBust folks unfortunately.

It will mean something to some of them. It's a process, losing sucks. Giving people victories to hold on to helps.

 

[Omegasquash]

Not like his and Clinton's agendas are radically different to begin with

They're not. Sanders just points his finger high and says "revolution" lots.

 

[zelas]

Is this all he wants or will he use this as more leverage to further whatever it is he's fighting for?

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Im pleasantly surprised by this. Sounds good to me.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

He's won 20+ states and over 40 percent of the vote, so I would hope so. You don't want to alienate progressives.

Last I checked elections don't give out Silver Medals.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

Last I checked elections don't give out Silver Medals.

I mean, they don't give out gold medals either. But they do give out positions of power to some of those who participate, and very rarely to just the winner.

 

[Deserted Maniac Island]

Last I checked elections don't give out Silver Medals.

They do in parliamentary systems, not in the US's presidential system though.

 

[jack_package_200]

I hope this concession gets Bernie to turn down the "DNC is evil/Bern it down" rhetoric in his speeches.

They are really trying to meet him halfway here.

 

[Dan]

It's short of what Sanders lobbied for — he wrote to Wasserman Schultz suggesting that each campaign pick seven members and that the final member be picked jointly by both campaigns — it's still progress for Sanders, who has had an especially rocky relationship with Wasserman Schultz.

I'm surprised Bernie didn't argue that his losing campaign deserved to select the vast majority of members.

I'm sure this will stop him from calling the DNC and primary system fraudulent, corrupt, and rigged... not.

 

[Koomaster]

Not sure why we're giving him anything. What is he giving in return? Is he dropping out; or going to shut up for the next month? Anything?

 

[AbsolutBro]

I hope this concession gets Bernie to turn down the "DNC is evil/Bern it down" rhetoric in his speeches.

They are really trying to meet him halfway here.

More like 1/3 of the way.

 

[BitStyle]

I hope this concession gets Bernie to turn down the "DNC is evil/Bern it down" rhetoric in his speeches.

They are really trying to meet him halfway here.

Hopefully. I really want Bernie to stick around, so hopefully these extensions will increase his engagement with party officials.

 

[B-Dubs]

More like 1/3 of the way.

They gave him just over half of what he wanted.

 

[dakun]

40% of the vote is terrible in US primaries.

just looked up some the results of past democratic primaries and i don't see how this statement is true at all.
Except for the Clinton vs. Obama none or barely any other primary looked close at all. There are quite a few blowouts even. 60% vs. 40% is quite an accomplishment when you consider where Bernie came from and who he's running against.

 

[BobTheFork]

I read the article but I'm missing what Sanders agreed to do in return for this.

 

[AbsolutBro]

They gave him just over half of what he wanted.

I mean, it was a joke post.

As others have said though, they really didnt. He wanted some say in party playform, but from the numbers it seems like a pretty token thing they gave him. Clinton + DNC can still basically "override" him at every opportunity.

Not that "party platform" really matters once the votes are counted and the President has to deal with Congress.

 

[jack_package_200]

I mean, it was a joke post.

As others have said though, they really didnt. He wanted some say in party playform, but from the numbers it seems like a pretty token thing they gave him. Clinton + DNC can still basically "override" him at every opportunity.

Not that "party platform" really matters once the votes are counted and the President has to deal with Congress.

Here is the thing. She won. He lost. The people want her input more than his. It should not be 50/50.

Besides, they agree on 93% on all issues.

 

[Adam_Vania]

They're not. Sanders just points his finger high and says "revolution" lots.

lol this is a pretty ignorant way of looking at things. try looking at the actual voting history between the two candidates.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...mples-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-hol/

for instance sanders voted against the iraq war. clinton voted for it.

sanders voted against the patriot act. clinton voted for it. twice.

sanders voted against the TARP bank bailout, clinton vote for it.

these are not things sanders made up. these are public votes. this is a matter of public record. based on their actual voting record as a senators, the two are as different as democrats and republicans

 

[freethoughtbubble]

This seems fine.

Since Hillary and the DNC between them still control 67% of the members, I doubt it will have literally any consequences, which makes it an excellent bargaining chip.

First thing that jumped out at me. Except I'm not sure Sanders would bite at a symbolic victory. And by jump I mean exit the race. Which is what the DNC wants.

Can someone opine on whether this is actually a meaningful concession or not? What does this actually mean in practice?

 

[Slayven]

It is almost too much considering he just became a Democrat and will probably not be one after July 28th

 

[NullPointer]

He's won 20+ states and over 40 percent of the vote, so I would hope so. You don't want to alienate progressives.

And the reason I've been happy to see him stay in the race. Every vote he tallies is leverage, and can help his causes, now and down the road.

Never truly expected him to win, but that doesn't mean I won't vote for him.

 

[NeOak]

They're not. Sanders just points his finger high and says "revolution" lots.

LOL

No.

 

[Maxim726X]

Hopefully. I really want Bernie to stick around, so hopefully these extensions will increase his engagement with party officials.

Well it's up to him now. Does he want to continue being obstinate and anti-DNC, or will he fucking finally play ball and work with the party?

Time will tell.

 

[Xe4]

Seems like standard procedure. DNC gives a little headway, Sanders endorses Clinton.

 

[AbsolutBro]

Here is the thing. She won. He lost. The people want her input more than his. It should not be 50/50.

Besides, they agree on 93% on all issues.

I don't really disagree? I mean, this started with a joke post. I'm just agreeing with the sentiment that their "consession" is really nothing. Not, like you said, that they really had to concede anything.

I'm not a Bernie voter or anything, I started off with a bad math joke.

 

[Geist-]

Well, I got what I wanted. Also sounds like some kind of negotiation behind the scenes so that Sanders endorses Clinton after he finally drops out. Really the best possible outcome at this point.

 

[Karsticles]

Last I checked elections don't give out Silver Medals.

Ever hear of voters?

 

[Maxim726X]

lol this is a pretty ignorant way of looking at things. try looking at the actual voting history between the two candidates.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...mples-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-hol/

for instance sanders voted against the iraq war. clinton voted for it.

sanders voted against the patriot act. clinton voted for it. twice.

sanders voted against the TARP bank bailout, clinton vote for it.

these are not things sanders made up. these are public votes. this is a matter of public record. based on their actual voting record as a senators, the two are as different as democrats and republicans

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/u...vided-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders.html

They voted together 93% of the time. Yep, she's certainly a Republican.

 

[Karsticles]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/u...vided-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders.html

They voted together 93% of the time. Yep, she's certainly a Republican.

She's not a Republican, but she's not much of an economic progressive, and she's a hawk.

 

[Maxim726X]

She's not a Republican, but she's not much of an economic progressive, and she's a hawk.

What exactly does that mean?

 

[Link]

lol this is a pretty ignorant way of looking at things. try looking at the actual voting history between the two candidates.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...mples-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-hol/

for instance sanders voted against the iraq war. clinton voted for it.

sanders voted against the patriot act. clinton voted for it. twice.

sanders voted against the TARP bank bailout, clinton vote for it.

these are not things sanders made up. these are public votes. this is a matter of public record. based on their actual voting record as a senators, the two are as different as democrats and republicans

Jesus Christ, I can't anymore...

 

[Bronx-Man]

Will everything finally calm down now?

 

[Aaronology]

lol this is a pretty ignorant way of looking at things. try looking at the actual voting history between the two candidates.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...mples-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-hol/

for instance sanders voted against the iraq war. clinton voted for it.

sanders voted against the patriot act. clinton voted for it. twice.

sanders voted against the TARP bank bailout, clinton vote for it.

these are not things sanders made up. these are public votes. this is a matter of public record. based on their actual voting record as a senators, the two are as different as democrats and republicans

Their voting record is nearly identical. Highlighting key votes where they differ does not change this. You're factually incorrect. You don't bring up Bernie's past regarding gun laws, how he voted against the Brady Bill five times, his history of being for military spending when it benefits his home state or any number of issues where he isn't quite as progressive as the image he puts out.

...but you're calling other people ignorant.

 

[Coriolanus]

It is almost too much considering he just became a Democrat and will probably not be one after July 28th

That might've been part of the deal, actually. "Sure, we'll agree to this, but you'll fuck off after it's all done, yeah?"

 

[platocplx]

I think this is a good thing. I may not like sanders as a candidate, but some of his platform points def are something the DNC should incorporate going forward especially seeing how much of a clusterfuck they are going against right now its important.