Sony won't be creating their own Wii U. It will be a single handheld.
Do you agree with Chatgpt that PS6 portable can match the power of PS5 in all parameters by 2028?
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Not that I think they will do it, but what I suggested is different from a Wii U. Wii U is not portable, what I suggested is portable.
The APU, RAM, storage and all that is necessary to run a game is encased in a portable casing that can be attached at the back of a PS Portal sort of peripheral (with big battery). Obviously, it doesn't need the Oled screen and big battery to to be hooked to the TV via HDMI. Hence, it can be cheap! Cheap enough to avoid the shrinkage of the console market.
This 50w portable PS6 will be portable enough to do that. And the power level should be comparable to a power efficient laptop in 2028 instead of switch.
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You must have not seen the pictures of people playing the Wii U on planes and the like. You are envisioning a mini console that can be used as a PS5, that then connects to a Portal like device. That's what the Wii U was. Yes, it wasn't designed to be a portal, but neither is a mini console.
It's far more likely Sony will let you connect to a dock via USB C and then use a regular handheld as a console. Having to lug around a mini console doesn't make sense.
Minsc
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This thing is going to get torn to SHREDS for a 50W TDP. Even with Ally X's huge battery, that's only like 1 hour of battery life before you're risking under 20%.
With a more typical battery like in the Steam Deck, try 30 minutes.
With the Switch's battery, you're lucky to have 20 minutes of runtime.
With a more typical battery like in the Steam Deck, try 30 minutes.
With the Switch's battery, you're lucky to have 20 minutes of runtime.
diffusionx
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Well, none of the current handheld devices have the power of a good PC from 2022 - say with a 3070, so I don't see how that is going to be any more possible in 3 years. You're talking about power efficiency improving 10+ times in 3 years to the point where a 30W part can do everything a 320W part can do today. That's just not happening. The fact is, fab refinements aren't what they used to be and a lot of these power gains we are seeing today is first and foremost about running more power through the chips. Especially on the CPU side.
Minsc
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I checked, my laptop has a 73 Wh battery, and the Ally X has a 80 Wh battery. I really don't think you're getting anything with a 300Wh battery like you're talking about, I think you're just confusing mAh with Wh.
A handheld with a 80,000 mAh battery would be around 300Wh, which would be probably around 7 or 8 lbs heavy. I have a 300 Wh power station, and it is about the size of a small backpack. You aren't putting that inside of a handheld.
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A mini console without the oled and battery would be cheaper to sell.
It can make sense depending on how small it can be.
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It can be bigger than those. Try laptop batteries.
Minsc
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See my next post, laptop batteries tend to be around 80Wh. My laptop is 73Wh.
Planes cap carry on batteries at around 26,000 mAh, which is right around the 80Wh of the Ally X.
A 300Wh battery like you're suggesting would be ~5 lbs.
What's the TDP of your laptop and how many hours does it get?
Wait. Where did I suggest that?
Minsc
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The TDP is variable. the battery life is just Wh/TDP. So if I run it around 73W it gets 1 hour, and around 50W is a little under 1.5 hours.
The 80Wh in the Ally X is extremely big and uncommon. I doubt you see anything top that. Steam Deck OLED is like 50Wh, and Switch is probably not even 20Wh.
The weight to get a 50W TDP running at ~2.5-3 hours would be ~150Wh, or double the Ally X battery. And that's still half of a 80,000 mAh battery, which you suggested earlier.
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Ultraportable laptops with AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS can get up to 20 hours of battery life. Though of course, using it for gaming and maxing its power would cut that to 5 hours. AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS alone is 30w. Add to that the power draw of RAM and other components and we're probably looking at around 50w tdp.
Minsc
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The devices battery is listed in Wh. Divide that number by the TDP, and you have battery life. There's no magic here. Go on any manufacturers website and browse their most expensive ultra-portable/lightweight laptops. Mind you these are still over 3-5lbs. Way too heavy for a portable handheld. None of them will have these crazy 200Wh batteries you're thinking up.
You get 20h runtimes by hitting 4W idle usage on a 80Wh battery.
80WH / 4 = 20 hours.
You want to game for 10 hours on an 80Wh battery?
80Wh / X = 10 hours.
X= 8. You're gaming at 8W.
To game for 3 hours at 50 TDP you need a 150Wh battery.
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Hudo
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Ice fucking cold. I love it.
150Wh battery would probably be skinny in an 8 inch portable handheld. They can shave the weight by using lightweight components.
Minsc
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I don't see how that's possible when the Ally X has the largest battery in a handheld to date, by a very large margin, and it's already on the heavier side (it weighs noticeably more than the much larger Steam Deck OLED). Battery size is also directly tied to weight, so going from 80Wh to 150Wh will double the weight of the device almost.
Again, show me a laptop with a 150Wh battery to start out, this is what a device with a 300Wh battery looks like and it's about the size of 4 Ally X's, coincidentally.
I see that Ally X has a max tdp of 30w. Is 50w really that impossible considering that we have laptops that exceed that?
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PS6 portable that exceeds PS5 is possible now. AMD Ryzen AI Max 395 with 16|32 cores|threads, 40cu RDNA 3.5 GPU and 45-120 watt tdp exists in products right now. The main concern is how much you could reasonably expect people to pay for a device equipped with such a premium chip. PS5Pro tier pricing would likely alienate the mass market.
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Minsc
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It's not whether it's impossible, it's just if they release a giant 80Wh battery like the Ally X and use a 50W TDP - which is still a fraction of the 200W PS5, it will be ridiculed and destroyed for a 1 hour battery life.
The impossible thing is putting a 150Wh battery in the device, that's what impossible.
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Felessan
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It's 2 times slower on 60watt power package
Consumer device will be 20-25 watt max, otherwise it will be too bulky, heavy and too short battery life
And 700g device is hardly can be called portable console for mass market, it's too heavy
Ok. That's a downer for me but it sets the expectation.
If we account for all other components then it could around 25-30w too similar to other gaming portables.
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What good handheld system needs good support and exclusives. PSVita was powerful for its time but because Sony didn't support it properly in the end it just become a port machine.
Despite Nintendo handheld are not being "powerful" still was huge success because of support and exclusives.
I dont need handheld to play games that I can already play on my consoles.
Despite Nintendo handheld are not being "powerful" still was huge success because of support and exclusives.
I dont need handheld to play games that I can already play on my consoles.
iQuasarLV
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Uh, no. Reread what I posted.
9070 XT is a 64 CU board running 48.66 Tflops. We do not need all that power to match a PS5 in a handheld
PS5 is a 10 Tflop console. Scale down the power by 1/4 to match it.
Math says you can achieve PS5 parity with a 14 CU APU. That is 70 watts using today's technology. They only need to cut that by half in 3 years to get in the range of a handheld.
It is like trying to say the steam deck is impossible because its housing a 160 watt RDNA 2 board (6600 XT) in there. No its a 8 CU version of RDNA 2. Minimum cards of the RDNA 2 were 32 CU @ 160 watts. They took what should have been a 40 watt GPU varient and scaled it down to 20 watts.
It is not impossible. Imagine saying this in 2019 when Zen 2 was out and never believing a Steam Deck would be real.
And that's 8W for the whole system - so you'll be lucky to have 5W left for the chipset.
Comandr
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This.
I think this will be a very funny thread to look back on in a few years. The AMD 8060S is already a remarkably impressive iGPU with 40 CUs.
It's capable of running BG3 at 1080p native ultra settings above 60FPS in chapter 3. Similar benchmarks push their respective games into high resolutions with very high settings.
Presumably by 2028 this future device will be RDNA4+/UDNA and utilize FSR4+ so rendering at a native handheld resolution of ..mmm. 1080p would be wasteful.
You guys don't think by 2028 we can get a handheld that can upscale ps5 games from 720p to 1080p and reach graphical parity with decent battery life? The steam deck with its potato processor can already do this to some extent. 6 years worth of advancements on top of that? Yeah. Totally doable.
Felessan
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7nm (PS5) to 3 nm (not even in GPU) is 50% reduction
We will not see 50% reduction in power consumption in 3 year. And more like it'll require minimum 66% reduction for consumer device
Minsc
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It's not really efficient to compare to the Deck. Why not compare to devices from 2010 and say you don't think in 18 years we'd see the power?
Compare to devices that released THIS year. Then say in 2-3 more years from that.
iQuasarLV
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AI Max+ 395 (2025)
- 16c (32t) w/ 8060s (40cu)
- for 40-120 watts
- 11.92 Tflops GPU power
- 40-120 watts
2 years ago we had an AMD Z1 (2023)
- 8c/16t w/ 780m (12cu)
- 8.2 Tflops GPU power
- @ 30 watts.
There is no hallucination that the ps5 will be matched if not surpassed by a 2028 handheld.
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Felessan
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Tests already out and it's 60wt chip (way out of portable console league) that considerably weaker than ps5 and it's realistic target is Full HD resolution.
Actually it will what we probably would get - FullHD PS5.
Only in dreams. We will have 3nm as mainstream process by 2028 (hopefully) and it's 15% faster and 30% more power efficient than 5nm
Yeah, yeah, those paper tflops those exists for like 5 seconds until throttling kill them all.
iQuasarLV
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As opposed to PS5's *TRUE* Tflops? its all envelope math. Might as well compare apples to apples.
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Minsc
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But will it be a handheld with more than a 2 hour battery life? Because if not, it's DOA.
Bojji
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You mean how slow?
asdasdasdbb
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72 CUs @ 1 - 1.5 Ghz would get it done.
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Felessan
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And envelop is that it'll require ~100wt stable performance (not ultra short burst mode fancy numbers) to have ps5 performance in 2028, way out of portable, especially mass market, i.e. vita/switch portables. Outside PC geeks no one will carry 1 kg device as a "portable gaming"
Tech advancement is slowing down and nothing can be done with it. It's hard to circumvent laws of nature and atom size is 0.1 nm so there is a hard wall in front of semiconductors in terms of standard approach to improve efficiency and power.
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iQuasarLV
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Well thankfully the anchor is 10Tflops paper math by 2028. We'll see it.
Guarded we only need 10Tflops and 16 threads. Not 12 Tflops and 32 threads. there is alot of headroom to be gained.
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There's a bench (you'll need to auto translate) of the 8060S. I'd say that basically does everything a PS5 could, but I don't think I'd call it a handheld.
Also 70Wh battery means that even at 40 TDP you aren't seeing much more than 1.5 hours, and I think those Monster Hunter Wild benches at 60-90fps are hitting a lot heavier than 40W - I'd guess 60W minimum, so 1 hour. Could be closer to 80W. Great piece of tech though, and I think something a $500 handheld device could aspire to in 2 more years, but we'll if such a thing is solely reserved for the $1,000+ price range or not. It's gonna need 32GB of RAM, a 2TB SSD and all the other bells and whistles too.
I still don't see it being possible to get acceptable battery life on a ~70-80Wh battery, and anything bigger is out of the question IMO.
Then again they could just stick a 4080 GPU in the laptop and you'd be far above PS5 level, and that's doable today (or even years ago).
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The ps5 ? Sure.. the ps5 pro ? Welp.
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