Do you agree with Chatgpt that PS6 portable can match the power of PS5 in all parameters by 2028?
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RoadHazard
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50W handheld? Holy battery life Batman.
I thought there wasn't going to be an RDNA5, UNDA was their new architecture after 4.
Who said it has to work with physical games? Have their been any physical only PS4 or 5 games? The Vita is where things changed and everything was available digitally.
Physical PS6 games could still be around, but if you want to play them, you'll need to Stream them with Remote Play off your PS6 with the the disk inserted.
Hopefully Sony can make saves transfers seamless. Microsoft did it right and you can jump between different Xbox consoles, PC, or cloud streaming seamlessly.
Having it have only digital support would be a reason to get people to move away from physical.
The Switch 2 should at best be as fast as the Steam Deck in portable mode. The exitement has been about the docked mode, where the dock has 42W going into it. Even if the Steam Deck 2 doubles performance, it still won't match the Series S, since you're still talking about 3.2 TF vs 4 TF. So if the Steam Deck 2 is on 3nm say, we would need another 3X perfomance per watt boost at 2nm.
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Little Chicken
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So all next gen games will be held back by PS6 Portable? Is that how it goes?
Who is going to help me move the goal posts?
Who is going to help me move the goal posts?
No, I mentioned it before a few times.
Strix Halo is not even a standard laptop APU, let alone a handheld APU.
No, they're different SoCs. [Redacted] is specially designed to run at very very low voltages.
It's a lot less than 40.
Loxus
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Is it based on something like Bumblebee or Sound Wave? If these are real APUs.
It shares a few things with Soundwave, but it's a different SoC.
paolo11
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So in practical terms, the next ps portable is more powerful than ps4 pro but weaker than ps5, correct?
awwr999999
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PlayStation has to keep physical disc-based games around at some level.
They're one of the only things tying the current amd/amd PS5 to the original PlayStation and they're something that PC and Nintendo don't have.
Box art, game manuals and maps make disc-based games something that adds to the platform.
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Hard to estimate performance since it's using an unreleased GPU uarch, but I think it's somewhere between XSS and PS5.
Minsc
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Silicon-carbon batteries would be the solution to this.
They've been used in high-end phones in China for a couple of years.
They should be in mass production by the time PS6 hits the market.
The iQOO Z10 has a 7,300 mAh battery with 90W charging.
Congrats it's a 7300 mAh battery. Whoop-de-do.
7300 mAh * 3.7V / 1,000 = 27Wh.
A 27Wh battery can run a 40W load for like ~40 minutes.
Such incredible battery life!
Loxus
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nial
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Thanks for clarifying! Do you know if this handheld is following the same schedule as PS6 (if following the aforementioned PS5 schedule) here? Thanks, once again.
memoryman3
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Personally I think this is not a great idea. Rather Sony make a PS6 Lite that is their "Series S" to keep their ecosystem accessible.
It tapes out a few months after the regular PS6 SoC
asdasdasdbb
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Weird. I don't see the point if it's not going to be powerful enough to run PS5 games.
SolidQ
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UDNA is marketing name for now. They call it, because functions is merge from RDNA/CDNA, but not all.
It can definitely run PS5 games, just not at the same resolution/FPS, mainly due to lower memory bandwidth.
For a phone yes it is.
I would assume the PS6 handheld would be at least four times larger than that phone.
In fact, I would bet the PS6 handheld would be larger than the Unihertz Tank 3 Pro.
For $700.00 USD , and the company is making a profit ; that's what's possible in 2025.
https://www.unihertz.com/products/tank-3-pro
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GigaBowser
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ahaha farmboys want switch now?? I will pays full price please do thirs sony and stop gas woke crud
nial
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Durin
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Doubtful it can equal the PS5 by then, but it's irrelevant because games are so scalable now, and newer games are going to target the Switch 2. They can also just scale down the resolution and make use of upscaling.
We are also seeing stagnation in hardware performance advancements, and why companies are jumping to AI as a way to work around that. The games pushing graphics hard are also more stagnant in unique design, with budgets that are less sustainable, so I'll take more portable options.
We are also seeing stagnation in hardware performance advancements, and why companies are jumping to AI as a way to work around that. The games pushing graphics hard are also more stagnant in unique design, with budgets that are less sustainable, so I'll take more portable options.
Minsc
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For a phone yes it is.
I would assume the PS6 handheld would be at least four times larger than that phone.
In fact, I would bet the PS6 handheld would be larger than the Unihertz Tank 3 Pro.
For $700.00 USD , and the company is making a profit ; that's what's possible in 2025.
https://www.unihertz.com/products/tank-3-pro
That's more like it. But hard to say how it would fair in a handheld.
It's very similar to the Ally X battery - which is 80Wh. That device is 89Wh.
The problem is weight. It is already heavier than an Ally X in that form factor, which people who use a Steam Deck find too heavy. Now you back it up another step and people who use a Switch find the Steam Deck too heavy as well. Switch 2 is quite noticeably lighter, between the Switch 1 and Deck.
But that's the problem with battery life. More = more weight.
At 89Wh, it would fair similar to the Ally X which gets ~2 hours at 40W gaming. This is about 2:15 vs 2:00 hours.
Nothing really revolutionary, and barely enough. Switch 2 gets it pretty rough spouting a 2.5hr bottom limit. People want 4hr+ battery life on handhelds, preferably 6hr+. 12hr+ is even better.
When it comes down to it, to hit 4 hours @ 40W power draw, it's something unheard of. No laptops do that. Even 3 hours at 40W would need a 120Wh battery, which due to weight, just isn't happening on a handheld.
So the only solution is to run the device at lower power.
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paolo11
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If it's 1080p screen, possibly Final Fantasy 16 1080p 60fps?
Burger King
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In my opinion, Sony should delay the PS6 for several more years (2033?) and make a real PS5 Portable in 2029.
For now, they could release a real PS4 Portable to compete with the Switch. The PS4 catalog is huge.
For now, they could release a real PS4 Portable to compete with the Switch. The PS4 catalog is huge.
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SweetTooth
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I knew Sony will do it right .. this thing will wipe the floor with Switch 2 power wise.
Perrott
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I mean, "not matching the power of PS5" is obvious in that a handheld PlayStation, even debuting seven to eight years after PS5, won't be able to pull the kind of feats (up to native 4K resolution, up to 120fps, full raytracing) that the PS5 currently does.
That said, a portable device that renders things internally at, say, 540p or 720p and upscales them to 1080p using lighter iterations of future PSSR or FSR versions and targets just 30fps or 40fps across the most taxing PS5 and PS6 titles (and up to 120fps on indies and lighter games) would certainly be something feasible.
Especially in a context in which the PS6 would be receiving even less next-gen only titles than the PS5 did in it's early years, owing to a likely prohibitive cost of a device that, in spite of what it's name would suggest, would actually take the place of the PS5 Pro rather than being the flagship device for a whole new generation of games as we've known them up until now.
That said, a portable device that renders things internally at, say, 540p or 720p and upscales them to 1080p using lighter iterations of future PSSR or FSR versions and targets just 30fps or 40fps across the most taxing PS5 and PS6 titles (and up to 120fps on indies and lighter games) would certainly be something feasible.
Especially in a context in which the PS6 would be receiving even less next-gen only titles than the PS5 did in it's early years, owing to a likely prohibitive cost of a device that, in spite of what it's name would suggest, would actually take the place of the PS5 Pro rather than being the flagship device for a whole new generation of games as we've known them up until now.
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Perrott
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Nope. Even a regular PS5 struggles to maintain 60fps in 720p at times in FFXVI's performance mode.
Best case scenario for 60fps gameplay on console with an acceptable image quality would be that Square Enix decides to give the game a PS5 Pro update at the same time they release the game on Xbox and Switch 2 in the future.
That device might be a lot more than 89Wh.
According to this site it's using two batteries to produce 7.74V to 8.9V
https://www.devicespecifications.com/en/editor-review/7837f3/10
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Minsc
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There's a picture of the battery label in a YouTube video here, it clearly states 89Wh.
There's no way it's 23000 mAh at 8.9V, that would be 200Wh, and devices at that capacity are pretty enormous. Again, even giant 18" laptop beasts that are 10x the size of that thing, barely ever use more than a 100Wh battery.
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IbizaPocholo
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Minsc
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I mean the Steam Deck can run PS5 games, once you don't care about the resolution or framerate lol.
SweetTooth
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Besed on what you know, would you expect PS6P to be included in PS6 package? Aka Hyprid?
I know that can be cost prohibitive given Sony's persue of high end console gaming.
Loxus
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Sony may surprise us with a DualSense 2, which has a touchscreen instead.
Sony Might be Working on a Touchscreen Controller for the PlayStation 5
Earlier this month, another Sony controller patent was published detailing a new touchscreen-based design. The face of this controller would be one giant touchscreen into which players could program as many buttons as they need. Said buttons can be any size the user wishes and can be placed in any arrangement the player might see fit, such as lowering the directional pad or moving the X button to the right. This would result in a truly customizable controller layout tailored to each user's needs or preferences.
SweetTooth
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That would be a dream solution for me, if Sony manages to target high-end console gaming and somehow manage to change DS to act as portable PS6 (either stream) and with addition of local play models (CPU,GPU...etc) .. but I don't think it would be feasible mainly due to cost.
nial
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What's the point of sharing these when he said this in this very thread?
Durin
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I would argue ergonomics help make up for the weight. The Switch 1 is lighter than my Deck, but I can hold my Deck for longer periods because it doesn't have a flat back. My hands can cup around the device like a normal pad, and support the weight easier, instead of cramping in an awkward position.
Nintendo could probably get away with some extra weight for battery on Switch 2 if they simply shaped the joycons to hold better.
James Sawyer Ford
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Sounds good to me!
FYI, switch 2 is 10W @ 8nm.
Looking at a 4X improvement over Switch 2 in handheld mode, not factoring in AI
Ps6 portable should be a big improvement especially if it's providing enough TOPS for AI unlike the Switch 2
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SweetTooth
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Don't worry, Cerny will do it right
cinnamonandgravy
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i hope the dock is absolutely massive, like a 6ft pillar, and it mechanically sucks in the handheld like a ps3 disc
IbizaPocholo
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I think they need to get up to the Udna or its refresh architecture to make this work. The compute power and bandwidth will be inferior to the ps5 in all probability but with fsr5/pssr2/rt cores it should deliver competitive/superior image quality to the base ps5, and a greatly improved architecture focused on ai and rt should allow for ps6 games to be downported , albeit with significantly scaled-down settings.
The challenge as always is delivering support, which means Sony will have to deliver a streamlined and easy porting process. My biggest worry is that this thing will act like an anchor around ps6 development. Sony has always delivered a very focused api that allows to the metal coding and they might have to start developing games with the portable in mind which would be damn dissapointing....but seeing Sony backing off from pushing tech this gen and them looking at nitendo printing money maybe thats the plan.
The challenge as always is delivering support, which means Sony will have to deliver a streamlined and easy porting process. My biggest worry is that this thing will act like an anchor around ps6 development. Sony has always delivered a very focused api that allows to the metal coding and they might have to start developing games with the portable in mind which would be damn dissapointing....but seeing Sony backing off from pushing tech this gen and them looking at nitendo printing money maybe thats the plan.
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Hero_Select
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New unreleased tech that's years away will be more powerful than current handhelds? Wow. What a shocking development lmfao.
Holy shit you spend more time talking about Nintendo than Sony - you sure you don't have a big collection of Nintendo games?
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SweetTooth
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How come Switch 2 didn't do that with Steam Deck, Rog Ally?
Hero_Select
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Switch 2 is more powerful than the Steam Deck though. And the 2023 version of Rog Ally X retailed for $800. lol.
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